Match tactics

[Zezima]

Hi @Zezima I have previously responded here and also on your youtube channel before...

If you want to counter an incoming topspin ball some energy coming at you, (spin, speed or both) simply loosen your hand, allow ball to come to you... use a TINY forward stroke with a LOOSE grip on bat... ball will automatisch go back as light topspin with very high percentage of landing.

LATER... I mean LATER... can I say LATER enough ???? You get the instinctive timing of ball deep into your strike zone... then, and only then, can you make increasingly STRONGER responses to that ball... and you get rewarded with consistency... if you can orient bat to make GOOD enough placement.... then that is good enough quality response and you often experience a winning return WITHOUT trying to set a national record for discus record setting attempt of a backswing.

Cheers.

This is why I hate text form. Are you talking about it with the fh or bh?

Also if you do this with a lose grip you have 0 control of the ball. Yeah maybe it will land on the table with a high arc. But good luck controlling the placement with it.

In the trainingscamp when I tried countertop I got confused the most with the swingpath. It all depended on his quality of topspin how deep he looped and what my timing at contact would be (highest or at phalling phase) how big the arc is etc. So basically I seem to have trained with someone who generated just enough topspin but not too spinny for me to counter it. So I just automatically had a 90% hitrate. I just trusted my subconcsious
With the swingpath etc. And then there were other players where I had to change my swingpath to counter it more upwards. And that would confuse the shiet out of me.

I also tried to memorize the way I hit each different ball. But no chance. After the stroke I would instantly forget how exactly I hit the ball. This is prob also why the next day I seem to start almost from 0 again.

I am also not sure if I have to give the ball more spin than it has (aka counter and produce a little of my own) to have it more controlled and since if I wouldn't achieve that with that small forward stroke I feel I have only control if I hit it harder.

Either I rumbled a lot again my point was this is stroke I can't properly from reading text.

To the other topic with the bh. I feel like I use a different technique in match than in training.
In a match i seem to aim to drive the ball more upwards instead of that whip motion I do in training.
Like these chinese videos with their lvl1 vs lvl 3 bh opener technique. Where lvl 1 just focuses on lifting the ball up.
Thats what you mean by not wrapping the ball up I guess. Subconsciously I am afraid and think the lvl 1 technique gives me the highest chance to make the ball land on the table somehow. Also when I was doing the right technique some other times it had no whip effect because of the fear breaking my whip motion. I seem to be more comfortable with drive motion and think in that moment that that is the least risky shot. But especially for the bh the fast whip motion is what gives me that control. Again if I overcome my fears this should get better immediately. Because I will stop practising these lvl 1 techniques in match situation.

Also l don't want to discuss technique in textform ever from now on. You can send an example video of how it should like and then explain in words. But other than that its quite pointless atleast for me.


Next week I have no match. Next sunday I have only a tournament in Germany. And then monday and thursday the next 2 games. On monday vs the famous player on chairwheel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Brüchle
I think he is top 10 in the league. Played him once he shiet on me. I also never dared to use nasty serves even though he told me I was allowed to serve how I want.

He gives me balls like Issa that I recently played. So my weak anticipation, weak slow returns and footwork gets even more exposed. He punishes every low quality ball I give him.

The other player I will send the video link after. Is also around that age plays aggressive long pips and a very spinny fh loop. You will see when I post the match link.

 

[MORTtheORT]

I also think I should practise this in every session from now on.

I feel like in the match I was always going for a fast topspin except on receive. But why not vary and go for a slower spinnier topspin? I think especially against my opponent this would have worked even better since he likes to go far back. So giving him a slower spinnier ball would be effective I think.

Ping Skill is an excellent video learning resource for you..these guys are excellent and well known outside of the videos.

The slow topspin is a great option to build into your game. I use it in every match I play, as I like to test out my opponents ability to control slow balls with high spin..I literally do this in the warm up of every match to see if I can find a weakness. Most commonly I find it down the line onto their BH is where they struggle in a match situation....love this shot in doubles when I am serve recipient and I put it down the line on that BH...at worst tend to get a soft shot for my partner to kill. The tempo change and the high spin can throw people out of their game.

What is important with this slow topspin is when to use it, very heavy spin generation and the most important part is placement... placement is key to make your opponent uncomfortable. Either at the body, have them reaching or bad footwork to the BH are the 101 spots and see which one they struggle with....no low spin mid to deep.....they get killed unless you uncover a major issue in their game...people who stand close to the table tend to struggle with them when deep. This shot will be hard for you to do with hard rubbers, you just won't generate enough spin at this stage on a slow ball. This will work a lot better when you put the T19s on and don't be surprised if you discover other spin on the ball as well.

If you can do it well with high spin, it is also a better shot then what you are currently doing with low long balls. You might be able to start with the the slow topspin and use this as the springboard to fast attacking topspin of these low long balls.

 

[XpingpingpongpongX]

You don't memorize the loop.
You memorize the push.

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If I see a push and I think that is 40 rps and I loop it out:
I remember what the push looked like and say "that was probably 20 rps".

The next time I see that push, I will recognize it: "hey there's the 20 rps push he did like last time".
Now I know I need to loop the ball lower.

Seeing an incoming backspin, my judgement is usually just 2 categories - light & heavy. Sometimes I would feel it's somewhere between, and sometimes I would think it's more than heavy, when playing against long pip choppers. But seeing your post I wonder, are advance level players able to see the spin as a continuous spectrum, not just a few categories? Maybe I should spend more effort to get better sensitivity on spins.

 

[banbekas]

Seeing an incoming backspin, my judgement is usually just 2 categories - light & heavy. Sometimes I would feel it's somewhere between, and sometimes I would think it's more than heavy, when playing against long pip choppers. But seeing your post I wonder, are advance level players able to see the spin as a continuous spectrum, not just a few categories? Maybe I should spend more effort to get better sensitivity on spins.

I'd say advance players actually play it more simply than you think. My rule of thumb is A short push tends to be lighter than a long push all things considered.
When you face an advanced player, always assume their long push is heavyit, especially when you see them intentionally makes it long, because they usually don’t want to give you an easy ball to finish. If they push it long, it means they expect you to slow-loop it.

 

[songdavid98]

are advance level players able to see the spin as a continuous spectrum

Correct

A short push tends to be lighter than a long push all things considered.

Correct

When you face an advanced player, always assume their long push is heavy

Wrong

 

[banbekas]

Correct



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Wrong

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[BackhandSteve]

My friend you are using too fast equipment. This is why you have hard time blocking spinny loops etc.

Downgrade racket.

Train footwork.

Master this skill:
20 forehand loops in a row.
20 backhand loops in a row.

With time you will be excellente 😎