Why do you still use Tenergy 05?

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I used and replaced both. The Fastarc G1 probably edges out a little bit in terms of MAINTAINING original playing characteristics for longer, but in actual practice, I actually feel T05 beats it, because T05 starts off a lot more dynamic (catapult and spin). Because of it's higher dynamics when new, even if it doesn't retain it's playing characteristics that long, it holds on to good playing characteristics for longer than Fastarc G1.

I play 2-3 hours 5 days a week and use T05 on forehand so I run through rubbers really quick. At that kind of intensity, T05 lasts me about 3-4 months, and the difference between Fastarc G1 and T05 is about maximum a month. But I still wouldn't go for Fastarc G1 on forehand unless I deliberately want something slower and more linear (perhaps for backhand), but I'm perfectly happy with G09C for backhand.
I agree with this 100%, a well used Tenergy 05 can outperform a stable G1 for many shots, it all depends on what you are looking for in a rubber.
 
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Yep. The performance ratio of sponge and topsheet far outlasts the g1. Especially the sponge.
So you mean that
Tenergy sponge lasts and death comes for this rubber in the topsheet whereas,
G1 topsheet lasts but it dies in the sponge while the topsheet is still playable?
 
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So you mean that
Tenergy sponge lasts and death comes for this rubber in the topsheet whereas,
G1 topsheet lasts but it dies in the sponge while the topsheet is still playable?
In general, t05 dies off in a predictable manner, it looses performance gradually but stays consistent and reliable all the way through. When the g1 starts to wear down, it becomes unpredictable and hard to use as efficiently as t05. G1 maintains more grip on the topsheet, but regarding maximum spin even after wearing both out, t05 still has the edge, the rubber just outperforms it. G1 stays more sensitive to spin too, which isn't always good.
 
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My experience with T05 is that it starts losing grip quite soon. After a month or 3. Sometimes the ball, even when making deep contact, just drops to the floor. Humid playing conditions exacerbate this problem, yet even with dry air it's unreliable (too bouncy) initially, starts to be reliable after a week or two, and then becomes unreliable again due to slippage. I prefer dependable.
 
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Maybe, but Fastarc G1 is not as dynamic as Tenergy 05 either. Doesn't make it better or worse for every player, just different, though most pros would not use G1 because it is relatively slow.
I fully accept that pros benefit from different gear than hobby players. Most of us aren't pros, or even near that level.
 
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Yes G1 is not as fast as T05 and also is a lot more controllable and linear in speed and that is why I prefer it. The G1 (2mm) in my hands lasts (3-5 months) twice the time of T05 (1.9mm, 2-3 months), playing/practicing about 12-15 hours a week. And also has about half the price when it is on sale, and about 2/3 of the T05 normal.
 

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many people i know still play tenergy and they all say that the quality of rubbers went down over the years, same with people playing d09c. so i would say the durability is coming from old times and is not an argument against esn anymore, because g1 and vega pro can outperform tenergy nowadays in that regard.

i always had the feeling that tenergys in general where not really dynamic and something like vega pro or mx-p were way more dynamic even back then. the more modern esn rubbers are even more dynamic like ventus extra, vega x and mx-d and i think that was the reason why butterfly released t19 years later that basically plays like a modern esn rubber and felt like a butterfly approach to rival esn.

but tenergys are still good rubbers, because they are way more stable in their playing characteristics then esn rubbers from sheet to sheet. kinda like selected rubbers by esn (if you ever had the pleasure to play one of these) and i think this is the solely reason why most pros that are not sponsered still rely on tenergy, because they switch rubbers every other week and need rubbers that stay the same. not really an argument for us normals, because we tend to play rubbers of months not weeks, so i would always advice esn over tenergy for price-performance ratio!
 
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I fully accept that pros benefit from different gear than hobby players. Most of us aren't pros, or even near that level.

I like this sentiment, and moreover, I think there is simply too many levels, starting from base to the top of the pyramid. Why do I mention it? Because sometimes people say things like G09C is not good enough here and there or Glayzer is not really comparable to D05 etc., or this rubber is too soft for profis. This may be, well, it is, correct for the very top players, but those are really few. Even players in top 0,3% (yes, not top 3%, but top 0,3%) can very well use ESN 47,5 hardness rubbers on the FH. So, while we may and should have own preferences, it really doesn't make sense to say these rubbers are weak, because it simply doesn't apply to the 99% of us. Some people may like fast rubbers, as they get better, they realize, they actually like slower rubbers, as they get yet better, they may increase hardness, and all this very very very far from top 1% ;-)
 
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I like this sentiment, and moreover, I think there is simply too many levels, starting from base to the top of the pyramid. Why do I mention it? Because sometimes people say things like G09C is not good enough here and there or Glayzer is not really comparable to D05 etc., or this rubber is too soft for profis. This may be, well, it is, correct for the very top players, but those are really few. Even players in top 0,3% (yes, not top 3%, but top 0,3%) can very well use ESN 47,5 hardness rubbers on the FH. So, while we may and should have own preferences, it really doesn't make sense to say these rubbers are weak, because it simply doesn't apply to the 99% of us. Some people may like fast rubbers, as they get better, they realize, they actually like slower rubbers, as they get yet better, they may increase hardness, and all this very very very far from top 1% ;-)
This is a mixed bag, the truth is that these issues are considerations at all levels. better players than myself can like softer rubbers or slower blades, I know players who are worse than myself who like much faster blades and players better than myself who do the same. So for me, it is less about playing level but what are the properties of the equipment that facilitate how you win and lose points.

But when it comes to spin generation, to me, it is very obvious that some rubbers have more elastic sponges than others at a certain deformation speed, which can be desirable under certain circumstances and so desirable under others and it isn't a matter of hardness, it is more about sponge compressibility/elasticity. And while some players use pips, it is really not a serious subject of debate to point out that certain properties are going to make you work harder, especially not having a sponge that plays like it is boosted. That is what many are really saying when they talk about a rubber being too soft for pros, you don't have to be a pro to experience the same issues, the rest is tradeoffs for your style. The point in using the pros is to talk about the limits of the rubber and what direction one goes in when using it.
 
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This is a mixed bag, the truth is that these issues are considerations at all levels. better players than myself can like softer rubbers or slower blades, I know players who are worse than myself who like much faster blades and players better than myself who do the same. So for me, it is less about playing level but what are the properties of the equipment that facilitate how you win and lose points.

But when it comes to spin generation, to me, it is very obvious that some rubbers have more elastic sponges than others at a certain deformation speed, which can be desirable under certain circumstances and so desirable under others and it isn't a matter of hardness, it is more about sponge compressibility/elasticity. And while some players use pips, it is really not a serious subject of debate to point out that certain properties are going to make you work harder, especially not having a sponge that plays like it is boosted. That is what many are really saying when they talk about a rubber being too soft for pros, you don't have to be a pro to experience the same issues, the rest is tradeoffs for your style. The point in using the pros is to talk about the limits of the rubber and what direction one goes in when using it.

Yes, at all levels we sort of, give some brain capacity, to it. And we, sometimes, try to express our feelings about a certain rubber, truthfully. And even though this is relevant for us, and truthful, it is much less relevant for most other people reading it. And, especially, any kind of attempt of generalization about our feeling is best described as wrong. Well, I'm not trying to say that all we say is relevant only for me (person speaking), but rubbish for everyone else. Sometimes, occasionally, we can derive something useful from other persons description of a rubber, especially if we know, how he speaks about other rubbers.

So, I'd say:

Point 1. It's a mess. I don't enjoy D09C very much on the FH, and NDH likes it even on the BH, and it is just fine. I like Glayzer on the BH, and Gozo only accepts Zyre. You say D09C has better spin and top-level speed than G09C, and while true, for others G09C is better, because the extra safety is more useful and they still have enough power to get from G09C the speed to finish. It is simply maximally personal.

Point 2. Even the, sort of, accepted generalizations, like pros tend to use harder rubbers, are wrong. Yes, as I said, on the abs. top-level, they do, but even in the top 1% many simply do not. The generalization is wrong, in that top 1% level, and much more wrong in the majority/average level.

Point 3. The brain capacity we, here in TTD (judging by the thread titles) give to rubbers and blades, is, to be honest, perverse. I consider myself a bit of an EJ, because when I compare myself to the other players in the 2 clubs I train with, I'm definitely like top 5% of EJs. I mean, some have specific hard-held opinions, but most are very much more oblivious to the equipment, and that is super good I think. Even though I have ideas to "help them" with suggestions, they don't give a shit, and that is actually good. Btw. and I speak about both players worse and better than me. And, my level of EJ, in compare to the TTD standard, I'd say is low. TTD is very much about rubbers and blades. That's why I like exceptions, like say dingyibvs, who focuses on technique, and I like the fact that the TTD team mostly sends videos with pros, which is not about equipment primarily. To summarize the point 3 - there is so much potential in technique and movement and serve, and yet, we speak mostly about rubbers ;-)

Cheers, see you "there" ;-)
 
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Have any of you T05 lovers switched to T19 and consider it an upgrade in term of grip and spin for plastic ball era ?
Its not an upgrade in terms of spin. Mostly in super hard topspin rally or when you hit hard in general.
Arc is flatter. On slower hits it bounces less than 05 and FX. Speed is lower. It is easier to play with most of the time, but sometimes you won't clear the net because arc is lower. Its certainly a trade off. I find banana flick super ez to do with Ten 05FX, with 19 it requires more "swipe". Rubber has clear threshold when springe sponge activates, you will know as soon as you reach it. Ten05 is bouncy all the time to me, 19 is bouncy when ball penetrates it.
 
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