Why did DHS skipped 4, 5, 6, 7?

[DrBean]

This. And the number 8 is considered lucky because it's two round circles which is a good thing. Chinese are very superstitious. Some hotels don't even have a 4th floor.

Just like how many buildings in the US don't have a 13th floor.

 

[ber]

Just like how many buildings in the US don't have a 13th floor.

Why? i've never heard of this before

 

[Conehead]

The number 13 in European culture along with US is considered an unlucky number.

 

[ber]

The number 13 in European culture along with US is considered an unlucky number.

Oh, any reason behind it?

 

[Conehead]

Oh, any reason behind it?

In many Christian cultures the number 12 is considered a holy or sacred number. Number 13 follows just after 12 so 13 is rather considered bad.

 

[ber]

In many Christian cultures the number 12 is considered a holy or sacred number. Number 13 follows just after 12 so 13 is rather considered bad.

Ah okay 👌

 

[Kilogramme]

Well you worded it about as badly as could be done.
So what did you want tobdlsay, exactly?
If I understand correctly you were supposed to say:
- players not using H3 might consistently occupy the top places of the world rankings
- which might impact the sale of H3
- which might in turn lead DHS to what, magically invent a new rubber so that Chinese players can claim their rightful place at the top again?
This still puts equipment ahead of talent.

Im not sure if anyone has any idea as to what you are actually saying 😂

Obviously, equipement is behind talent and work ethic. But, It is easier to sell rubber when the World Champ uses it. That is why we see so many identical (almost) blade with different name. Boll ALC, ZJK ALC, FZD ALC being pretty much a Viscaria. The point is, if let's say Wen Ruibo is the next Ma Long, Stiga (his BH is a Stiga rubber) can brand their new rubber as WDC equipment, and sell it. And us, EJ, will probably try it out of curiosity and being so easily influenced. And if somehow FZD decides to come back on WTT and world stage to claim a second olympic gold, now that he plays with BTY both side, DHS can lose a lot of market in favor of BTy, as they don't equip the new olympic champ.

 

[NetProphet]

Obviously, equipement is behind talent and work ethic. But, It is easier to sell rubber when the World Champ uses it. That is why we see so many identical (almost) blade with different name. Boll ALC, ZJK ALC, FZD ALC being pretty much a Viscaria. The point is, if let's say Wen Ruibo is the next Ma Long, Stiga (his BH is a Stiga rubber) can brand their new rubber as WDC equipment, and sell it. And us, EJ, will probably try it out of curiosity and being so easily influenced. And if somehow FZD decides to come back on WTT and world stage to claim a second olympic gold, now that he plays with BTY both side, DHS can lose a lot of market in favor of BTy, as they don't equip the new olympic champ.

I don't really keep up with these trends, I know FZD tried Zyre as it was mentioned in here a few times...but I assumed he would go back to H3.
Out of interest, what does he use now? Stayed with Zyre?

I think that for DHS to lose market share then Butterfly would have to take over in China.
With H3 being so cheap and durable I cannot see how expensive Butterfly rubbers will ever become the main choice there so I reckon DHS are safe enough in that regard.

I can see your point (even though the circumstances are far fetched) but my reckoning is that even if FZD comes back and beats WCQ to Olympic gold DHS will still keep their market share.
H3 is perfectly suited to top Chinese TT and I don't think another rubber can be made to surpass it, not unless they change the ball again, or something even more fundamental like the table!

 

[Kilogramme]

I don't really keep up with these trends, I know FZD tried Zyre as it was mentioned in here a few times...but I assumed he would go back to H3.
Out of interest, what does he use now? Stayed with Zyre?

I think that for DHS to lose market share then Butterfly would have to take over in China.
With H3 being so cheap and durable I cannot see how expensive Butterfly rubbers will ever become the main choice there so I reckon DHS are safe enough in that regard.

I can see your point (even though the circumstances are far fetched) but my reckoning is that even if FZD comes back and beats WCQ to Olympic gold DHS will still keep their market share.
H3 is perfectly suited to top Chinese TT and I don't think another rubber can be made to surpass it, not unless they change the ball again, or something even more fundamental like the table!

FZD now plays with Zyre 03 in FH (I think still D09C in BH). H3 suits Chinese TT because of the table + ball combination. Apparently, the ball in china spins a lot more than in Europe. SO H3 makes a lot of sense. Many chinese, including FZD struggled to play in Europe. They play on Tibhar table and some non DHS ball.
I did experience the Tibhar table, and indeed, it sucks. Don't grip the ball spins, and somehow absorb the spin. For exemple, when you do heavy topspin (with H3/H8 especially), the ball accelerate and pop up after rebound on the table, which make the ball hard to deal with. But, with those shitty table and maybe shitty ball, that make spinny variation less of a thing. More power oriented game.

My point is, if FZD somehow keeps the Zyre to play and win with it, it might send an alarm to DHS to develop a new rubber. H3 is almost 30yo. Like you said, I think H3 is hard to replace in china. But I think, it would make sense for DHS to find a replacement, with the DNA of H3. Especially if the new generation of Sora and Felix can beat the chinese in WC or OG.

I would imagine, maybe a Zyre with tacky topsheet for exemple. I am playing with ESN sponge on a very tacky topsheet (Vega China VM) and it has so many qualities. It is not a European Hybrid with light tack, but true chinese tack that lift the ball for months.

 

[banbekas]

Current H3 is already a new rubber compared to its previous version; less tacky and more of a hybrid.

 

[Lazer]

Oh, any reason behind it?

The last supper, 12 apostles + Jesus = 13.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[The0rigina1]

Really?

both wcq and sys uses H8 with #20 sponge on their backhand, meanwhile not even amateur players touches h9

 

[ber]

both wcq and sys uses H8 with #20 sponge on their backhand, meanwhile not even amateur players touches h9

Ooh okay

 

[oophyte]

Current H3 is already a new rubber compared to its previous version; less tacky and more of a hybrid.

While most agree that the topsheet of H3 today is way less tacky that the original, its sponge, especially the #22, is still the epitome of high density Chinese sponges. If you call H3 a hybrid, then what's left to represent traditional hard sponges?

 

[zeio]

Well, the origin of hybrid rubber was Chinese tacky topsheet (Friendship 729 and later Globe 999) + Japanese sponge (GP or Bomb) and H3 Neo back in 2009 felt like one with its lower tack and lighter weight.

Nowadays, people associate hybrid with ESN rubbers, when in fact ESN is a latecomer and wasn't founded until 1991, with the first Tensor being released in 1998.

 

[zeio]

My point is, if FZD somehow keeps the Zyre to play and win with it, it might send an alarm to DHS to develop a new rubber. H3 is almost 30yo. Like you said, I think H3 is hard to replace in china. But I think, it would make sense for DHS to find a replacement, with the DNA of H3. Especially if the new generation of Sora and Felix can beat the chinese in WC or OG.

China had actually lost way more in the 3 majors back then, after the original H/H2/H3 were officially released in 2001. It was also a time when new blood had emerged and multiple associations were going through a transition period, e.g. WLQ/MLin/WH, OSE/JSH/RSM, Boll, and Maze.

H3 Neo has actually been even more dominant than the original H3 once you take into account the limit on the number of players. Only Moregard (Paris 2024*) and Calderano (WTTC 2025) have broken through the "3rd-place barrier", not unlike the "10-second barrier".

* WTTC 2021 doesn't really count because Moregard didn't run into a CNT player until the final, after Boll took out ZQH in R64, the only CNT player in the bottom half. Same for Mattias Falck back at WTTC 2019.

Original H3
WTTC 2001-2007 (4 editions, 7 players per association) - 7 non-CNT MS medalists, 1 gold/1 silver/5 bronze
OG 2004-2008 (2 editions, 3 players per NOC) - 1 non-CNT MS medalist, 1 gold [Note: Wang Liqin and Yan Sen already used H3 at Sydney 2000 but only played in MD and won gold]
H3 Neo
WTTC 2009-2025 (9 editions, 5 players per association and 6 for host since 2015) - 8 non-CNT MS medalists, 3 silver/5 bronze
OG 2012-2024 (4 editions, 2 players per NOC) - 5 non-CNT MS medalists, 1 silver/4 bronze

 

[banbekas]

While most agree that the topsheet of H3 today is way less tacky that the original, its sponge, especially the #22, is still the epitome of high density Chinese sponges. If you call H3 a hybrid, then what's left to represent traditional hard sponges? 

Nothing traditional about Neo sponge. It's exactly a hybrid where the sponge is pre-boosted and the topsheet is lightly tacky. H3 is just Vega China VM at this point.

729 Super FX is a good representative of traditional hard sponge. Battle 2 Gold would also qualify since it comes pre-glued.

 

[Kilogramme]

Nothing traditional about Neo sponge. It's exactly a hybrid where the sponge is pre-boosted and the topsheet is lightly tacky. H3 is just Vega China VM at this point.

729 Super FX is a good representative of traditional hard sponge. Battle 2 Gold would also qualify since it comes pre-glued.

Disagree. I played H3 boosted, and Vega China VM, definatelty not hybrid. Rakza Z is. Even Vega China is tough to put in Hybrid category to me. It is so close To H3. I think you don't know what hybrid is.