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nice to know guys, I usually don't work much with the andro brand overall except from our club beginner frames and rubbers so it's good to know more and if you have a direct contact with them I may pop you some questions in the future when needed, thanks! Every day you learn something new...

Oh yes you are right, I missed that! My bad, thank you and will correct that on my docs! :)

How interesting @Metaxa thanks! Curious that TTgear lab and the seller say different things haha usually TTGearLab never misses any piece of data, they are super accurate and reliable, so perhaps you could ask the seller where they got the info from? Directly from andro? :D Or if you have...

Are you sure of that? https://ttgearlab.com/2025/07/11/andro-tp_ligna-off-photos-information/comment-page-1/

If motivation to change is just shape and not speed/dwell/material or else, then I think you need to find something of the same wood composition and speed. Some of the blades mentioned above can be good options, for example acoustic is also limba but with a tung core. I have tried the cybershape...

Correct Tyce, this is why I mentioned 'sort of carbon' implying is not carbon, will edit so it's clearer for other readers ;)

Thanks will add to the list! Didn't hear of it, spruce limba and ayous, but spuce as top, will probably be a bit bouncier than the normal limba/ayous then :)

A couple thoughts here :) - First, before giving proper accurate advice it would be good to see your technique in action, to see if you can hit through the sponge or not by hearing contact sound and checking blade angle. A harder sponge if you can't hit-brush through it is going to be more...

Yes thanks! I'm a big fan of TTGearLab, nothing is more objective than that :) So was for sure planning on using that to categorise the blade list, but good to add the resource to the thread anyways!

Will remove it thanks! Agreed on the above.

Very much agreed to this, tensors can work as good as hybrids or hard tacky rubbers, matter of preference and playstyle / tehcnique :)

Thanks! Will leave out for now as the list is meant to be a second step blade after the beginner blade, but good to know! Yes correct, this is meant to be a list for beginners and specially for those who want to upgrade their first blade. I will be making a long blogpost on that soon :) At that...

Will add spinlord! Description is for sure confusing for a defense blade ;)

Added thanks! Added the magic, is the Voodoo a good idea as an upgrade from beginner blades or too fast? Never tried it and reviews are mixed here.

Thanks a lot, I will check the reviews, this detail is great @belllfador !!!

Thanks @navuzor, appreciated !! Ah yes, that is a good question :) This is a matter of philosophy and taste preference, it's not right or wrong what I'm going to say, just different. Some people like a good pure tensor rubber on the backhand. That is bouncier and it's easier to play with...

Yes absolutely, the idea is to first collect the whole list. Then remove the pure beginner blades that should be listed under your 'first blade' (I have an extra list for that already in one blogpost that I need to update) and also remove the ones that are too fast, and should fit under a...

All good, that's indeed a long time ago, it's even quite a thing you remember haha

Thanks @golden_son !! I have heard a lot about Fextra 7 but so much on 5, I will add it to the list :) Loki Kirin K5 of course! I missed Loki totally haha The other day I actually had somebody from reddit who told me all about it (I have not tried it), and today I go and forget it 😂 will add...

Yeah it's true that is always very nuanced with DHS ratings. I'll for now not add it to the list as it's 7 plies and I'm mostly looking for 5-ply blades since I wouldn't recommend PG7 to a beginner or low intermediate but yes we can definitely argue that it's OFF- instead of OFF :)