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It is easier to judge whether a service is behind someone than to judge visibility. It is in fact the second that made most serves illegal. And following the second can be judged from where rhe umpires sit. Thr first cannot be. Try umpiring sometime.

You know this lol!

Maybe. No one has a time machine. My point though is that everyone knew a smash was this month. Everyone came here and got the draw they were given. Months ago, we were told Uda had surpassed Togami, which has nothing to do with what Togami thinks of himself. We were told that Uda beating...

Oh well. I was expecting a response like this. If Togami came from a similar tournament, we would never know about it. And ultimately, you take responsibility for your results at the table.

It depends on what and who is umpiring. And what you will be doing is making the umpire completely unable to make those calls without guessing.

After watching today's match and comparing the results of Togami and Uda vs Alexis, is @zeio still seriously of the opinion that Uda has surpassed Togami? Is zeio willing to prove he is able to argue over the powers of ants to move mountains?

Yes at the professional level but not at the club level. You are advocating taking away the protections the club players need at a time when clubs cannot support it. That's my point.

Lots of great TT channels on YouTube now translating Chinese coaches explaining the nuances of how thry think about technique. The biggest help it has given me is to validate some of my ideas that I used to test out and want to use but departed from because I didn't have coaching validation on...

The game was also much uglier and riddled with serve return errors. Go watch LGL vs Schlager in 1999 and honestly tell me you find that match watchable anf fascinating. It was a semifinal of a world championship. If we want to go back to hidden serves and low tosses or even 6 inch tosses I...

I actually disagree, unless the kinks on service calls are ironed out and technology that is accessible to players are used to make the calls. The rules were designed to make it hard to cheat and easier for umpires to make calls. You asking dor a return to the rules that require tech to...

He challenged after getting faulted on his own serve. He did not challenge Shinozuka's serve, which is what @JJ Ng was discussing. Lots of players habitually hide serves with their head and don't get called on it and it is often tolerated by fellow players who either have their own serve...

@piligrim was arguing that Duda would not have been happy beating Wang Chuqin at the World Cup on a TTR call. This to me is pure nonsense, Duda just didn't realize he had the option. But I guess he believes it. I was speaking tongue in cheek about Darko.

Darko just did it. I am sure he hates winning that way. What a lame way to beat Shinozuka the first time.

Well it isn't the case here either or at the WTTC. So the rule is either being incorrectly enforced or players are allowed to challenge serves. Until there is a hard announcement, I will defer to the latter.

Uda vs Lebrun. Surpass Check!

Sad to see Shnozuka catching LHJ disease. Not a good sign for his future.

Cheating is very different from enforcing the rules. And Duda is very meticulous about keeping his serves legal. He has one of thr rarest things you will see in table tennis. A high toss reverse pendulum serve. Anyone who goes through the trouble to develop that cares about following the rules.

So you mean Duda worked hard on making his serves legal so he could be mad at beating a player who used an illegal serve to beat him? Everyone has their own opinion for sure since we dont know what he would say. But you know mine. I am sure Rosskopf realized it later and taught his team to use...

Didn't help lol...

It was match point and he didn't use it. If he had won it at match point, he would not have had to do it again lol.