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Thanks for this! Agree with what I know/hade tried. Another thing that differs is rubber weight. Some of these are great but very heavy (looking at you - Rakza Z!) which can be a deciding factor if you want to use them or not. The butterflies and some DHS (which can differ quite a lot between...

My guess is that Glayzer is more linear than G1. All tensors have a sort of threshold where the ball just fly away.

Pros are one thing but for us amateurs it makes sense to have easier short game on backhand and easier opener on forehand. Thus: hard bh-rubber, softer forehand-rubber.

I like 8-80. It is very safe, linear and do-it-all. If it's too slow - hit harder! :) D09c is, of course, also a great rubber but with a harder feeling. Not as forgiving. Jupiter 3 was unplayable for me. Had to put extreme amount of effort in every stroke. Rakza Z is also an alternative. Not as...

The fastarcs used to have 2.0 as maximum. Think they produce G1 in 2.1 these days though. Just to mention another rubber series with relatively thin max sponge.

But not only choppers use 1.7. The difference between 1.7 and 1.9 is not that big and slightly more control (and yes, a little less speed) and a bit less weight benefits a lot of players. Maybe not on forehand but on backhand. But I guess they know what they are doing. At least what the make...

...and why are the harder sponges/newer rubbers not available in 1.7?

Mizuno Crossmatch?

The benefits is due to that is not a very fast rubber? A slower rubber is easier to use in most cases I think. I like and use the 8-80 because it is a relatively slow (but not dead) rubber. It is a good mix of softer tensors and classic chinese rubbers. A professional player might hit through...

Not the topic but imho G09C is much (MUCH!) closer to D09C - and probably K3 - than H3 Neo in all aspects. Speedwise H3 Neo is nowhere near Glayzer. At least when I use the rubbers.

Well. I also find G09c a lot faster than most here on the forum. Speedwise to me it is in the same category as it's bigger siblings. But it is very hard compared to older rubbers and might feel strange in that sense. Softer modern rubbers are bouncier in the short-game but don't have same speed...

I thought the trend of slightly softer inner carbon blades (instead of viscaria-variants) was a consequence of the trend of harder sponges?

Only tried unboosted. H8 is very slow and has a hard feeling. Probably made for being used with booster. 8-80 is not exactly a speed monster either but it is definitely faster than the regular one and useable out of the box. Great paired with a hard and fast blade.

DHS 15 is good in the sense that it is easy to peel off. But the rubber also looses the grip to the blade easier. Be sure to use a wide side tape....

I use H8-80 on fh. Tried the regular H8 but did not really like the hard feeling. Had to put a lot of effort in every stroke. Bear in mind that the 8-80 is not really a speed monster either. Out of three rubbers one clearly weighed a lot more. I thought it was because it was red but reading...

My experience - Rozena has the speed of Tenergy but spin wise it is almost like playing with a short pips rubber. The G09c is to me however a "regular modern rubber"; relatively hard sponge with a topsheet that has some stickiness. Not far of from, as I recall, D09c and other hybrids. Rozena...

Different between "generations" anyway. But I guess some of the are the same...

On the other hand - the harder the sponge, the less likely you will hit through it so thickness is not needed. ;)

Of course. I was just trying to add some nuances to the debate! :) Glayzer 09c is still pretty close to Dignics 09c in the overall scheme of things. The differences might be crucial for some though.

Thats the thing. It is not a slow rubber. It is, sort of, like most common rubbers. Slower than some but definitely faster than some as well. But the main commets about it is that it is slow and that is not, imho, an accurate description. Also, it is definitely a hard rubber. No one can say it...