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That you can't even restate my argument shows the problem. My argument is that Ma Long is the GOAT, but that I can understand why given ZJK's injuries and decline and Ma Long's poor record against Wang Hao at the big events where everyone is supposed to peak and bring their best game may give...

Punditry is fun though. And you can kinda make your own judgments and have your own opinions about all kinds of things. IT is what historians do in part as trying to figure out what should be preserved for future generations when you have limited storage is a part of life. Hall of Fame etc...

Exactly. He seems to confuse the point of view of others with "everyone must think about the issue the same way he does but just arrive at other conclusions" rather than just accepting that not everyone will do it like him and that is life.

Pota wins a very close final deuce in the 7th (15-13). She seems to play more topspin on the forehand now. Now... come on, Jakob!

The size says Gavin Rumgay or Par Gerrell.

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Oh no, not again...

Derailed how? Fanboys never tire of hearing how great Ma Long is. You know you can find many threads saying the same thing. This one just goes off and on once in a while. Just find new stats to show that Ma Long beat more people and it will be back on track. They just won't be Wang Hao at...

I am a bit lost here. You really think accusing someone of lacking respect and sportsmanship for TT players is polite?

Wei Shihao vs Truls Moregard on table 1 now.

Usualsuspect accuses me of unsportsmanlike behavior because I say certain players are not great (or not as great as others). He argues I can't do so because I am not a journalist. I suspect his real goal is to make you write it so he can accuse you of being disrespectful and unsportsmanlike.

It is not about "blame". It is about whether you should be more careful when using the numbers to measure someone's dominance. I have no problem with Ma Long using both the eye test and the stat test. But I fully understand why anyone would hold those losses to Wang Hao against him and stress...

Yeah. We also had Rosskopf saying that Fan Zhendong should have gone and that sending ZJK created an opening. The funny thing is that despite all this, I still think Ma Long is the GOAT. I just don't think these things should be lied about.

Interesting. I think the Olympics have been watered down and are mostly ceremonial now. But celebrity status is important I guess.

I showed the source of the confusion and I probably misread what zeio wrote but it is okay. Sorry for lying about Ma Long. It was a honest mistake. But the idea that one can compare Wang Hao in 2012 to Zhang Jike in 2016... let's just say I find that weird. But it seems some are convinced...

Well you can make any comments you want to. I can make mine as well. What you know is what you know. I don't pretend anyone else knows what you know. 8f you find raineverever fair, that is fine. That is why we discuss these things. Like unsaid I know where the argument will go before I hear it.

It is hard to argue in good Faith with someone who doesn't declare their biases upfront. If you want to do it, go ahead. I would rather at least make those biases clear if she won't. Because we always know the conclusion no matter how many arguments will get us there. That makes it harder...

You can't always play at your best but a lot depends on how much margin for error there is in your game while not radically changing your playing style. You also don't play often enough to have your game fully calibrated (we have to place our performance in the context of our training and...

Your point of view is interesting. It doesn't pass my smell test but it is interesting. I never defined prime as failing to defend your title. In fact I don't think Ma Long had any title at his prime (second half of 2011) though this is my opinion. My point is that those of us who watched...