34th ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup 2025, Shenzhen, 2/19-23

[banbekas]

You are right, except SYS fans are not a bit toxic, nor do much people love the sport because of them. I don't think ZJK, DN, ML combined had as much toxic fans corrupting table tennis so they are definitely not "always good" for the sport

Apart from that, they are also very delusional. Not only do they think SYS lost on purpose to CM to "save" her country, but they're also the same people who blames SYS's opponents for trying to beat her.

Not that many people love the sport even without them. To call them corrupting table tennis is just crazy, brother. I'd take them over empty stadium any day and no loud noises. Drama like this is exactly what people love. I don't know chinese, but I bet many fans are cheering WMY digging at SYS fans. Inciting more engagement in Tieba.

Being delusional is a part of fandom. Look at CR fans or Messi fans. They are all delusional.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Not that many people love the sport even without them. To call them corrupting table tennis is just crazy, brother. I'd take them over empty stadium any day and no loud noises. Drama like this is exactly what people love. I don't know chinese, but I bet many fans are cheering WMY digging at SYS fans. Inciting more engagement in Tieba.

Being delusional is a part of fandom. Look at CR fans or Messi fans. They are all delusional.

fans are great, but when it is medal ceremony, or singing of national anthems, or when dignitary are speaking, it is common courtesy, or simply being well-mannered to show respect for that few minutes.
for the rest of the day, they could be fan modes for all I care.

 

[zeio]

True, Japan needs a player who are willing to pivot like Uda and Togami. I watched Harimoto against LJK, sure his great BH helps him stay in the rally but for the most part he was just under bombardment. By around 5-6th set Liang has adapt to Hari's BH thus his play was neutralized. That frustrated scream when he was down 0-3 at 6th set told the story

In the article first released on 2024/12/20 which is part of a Table Tennis Kingdom series, Mizutani and Yoshimura M. even criticized how JNT players are homogenizing in playing style, particularly their over-reliance on the chiquita.

【卓球】「ぼくは日本代表全体に危機感を感じてます」と吉村真晴選手と水谷隼さんの本音トーク
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/8bda516df4937d04ae22176254334b5a38ea4cc5

吉村選手は、自身の卓球についても、以前は迷いなく攻撃できていたが、最近ではロングサービスを警戒し過ぎてチキータを躊躇していると述べる。また、水谷さんは「日本選手は判断力を欠き、中途半端なプレーに陥っている」と指摘。

二人は、強い選手が多様なサービスを使いこなす一方で、日本選手は相手に特化した練習が不足していることを指摘。特に、フォア側からYGサービスを受ける練習が必要だと強調。

現在の日本選手が同じスタイルに陥り、個性が失われていることに危機感を持っている。吉村は「ヨーロッパ選手にはオリジナリティがあり、日本選手は同じスタイルに見える」「日本選手はみんなチキータに頼りすぎている。だから、チキータができなかった時にすべてが崩れるんです」と述べ、かつての日本選手のように多様性を持つ選手育成の必要性を訴えている。

今後、張本智和選手や戸上隼輔選手の活躍に期待しつつ、日本全体に対応力や爆発力のある選手が求められている。卓球界における日本選手の新たな方向性が重要な課題となっていると語り合った。

Yoshimura also says that in his own table tennis, he used to be able to attack without hesitation, but recently he has become too wary of long serves and has hesitated to use the chiquita. Mizutani also points out that "Japanese players lack judgment and fall into half-hearted play."

The two point out that while strong players are able to use a variety of serves, Japanese players lack practice that is specific to their opponents. They emphasize that they especially need to practice receiving YG serves [reverse pendulum serves] from the FH side.

He feels a sense of crisis that Japanese players today are falling into the same style and losing their individuality. "European players have originality, but Japanese players seem to have the same style," Yoshimura said. "All Japanese players rely too much on the chiquita. That's why when they can't do the chiquita, everything falls apart," he said, calling for the development of players with diversity like the Japanese players of the past.

While looking forward to the success of players like Harimoto Tomokazu and Togami Shunsuke, Japan as a whole is looking for players who can adapt and have explosive power. They discussed how a new direction for Japanese players in the table tennis world is an important issue.

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WCT is another example. During the Asian Qualification Tournament for Rio 2016, Liu Guodong talked about what WCT needed to work on to reach higher and specifically mentioned 3rd ball, FH shot quality, and FH-BH balance, which WCT concurred. It took him several years to figure it out. Beating LYJ 4-3 to get a MS bronze at Asian Games 2022 would have been nigh-impossible without the increase of his FH usage.

劉國棟：助黃鎮廷成國手外最強者/大公報記者 李恆基
https://www.tkww.hk/epaper/view/newsDetail/1353944672447369216.html

　　劉國棟堅信黃鎮廷有繼續進步的潛力。「要往上走就要有更細節的東西，比如技術組合、訓練模式，他（黃鎮廷）給自己的目標，平日訓練要比以前更多、更細、更刻苦，賽前準備如技術以什麼為主，要做得更細節。」他認為反手能用橫打的黃鎮廷在反手位的能力，在世界上算是上乘，彌補了直板打法的弱點，往後要在前3板技術上抓得更細緻，正手除了加強殺傷力，還要改善在比賽時的應用。「什麼時候該用正手或反手，也是黃鎮廷未來的課題吧。」

Liu Guodong firmly believes that Wong Chun Ting has the potential to continue to improve. "To move up, more details are needed, such as technical combinations and training regimen. He (Wong Chun Ting) has set himself the goal of training more, more carefully and more diligently than before. The pre-match preparation, such as which technique to focus on, must be done in more detail." He believes that Wong Chun Ting's backhand ability, who can use the RPB with his backhand, is considered to be top-notch in the world, making up for the weakness of the penhold style. In the future, he must pay more attention to the techniques of the first 3 shots, and in addition to increasing the lethality of his FH, he must also improve its application in competitions. "When to use the FH or BH is also a question for Wong Chun Ting in the future."

黃鎮廷克服心魔全靠唐鵬/大公報記者 李恆基
https://www.tkww.hk/epaper/view/newsDetail/1353945700991373312.html

　　在橫板屬打法主流的世代，黃鎮廷與中國乒乓球隊的許昕是世界前十中為數不多的直板好手，右手持拍的黃鎮廷自言會朝?國乒昔日名將王皓的打法方向發展。「我的打法跟王皓一樣是右手直板無推擋，他不但反手的橫打有特點，而且反手能力跟正手比較平衡，未來我會盡可能加強正手能力，追求正反手的平衡，有些球路若能以反手彌補正手不足的話都不錯。」

In an era when shakehand style is the mainstream, Wong Chun Ting and Xu Xin of the China table tennis team are two of the few penhold players among the top 10 in the world. The right-handed Wong Chun Ting said that he would develop in the direction of the playing style of Wang Hao, a former star of the China table tennis team. "My playing style is the same as Wang Hao's, right-handed penhold without TPB. Not only is his backhand RPB unique, but his backhand ability is also relatively balanced with his FH. In the future, I will try my best to strengthen my FH ability and strike a balance between FH and BH. If some shot paths can make up for the FH's shortcomings with the BH, that would also be nice."

 

[zeio]

You mean in XD, since LSD is pretty much a lock as well. The question will be whether she plays singles or not and that is pretty open. I am sure SYS and WMY are still ravenous and I suspect CXT and WYD have not entirely yielded either though KM is clearly capable.

No, I mean 3 events. The critical factor will be Harimoto. It's difficult for SYS and WMY to hang around until Brisbane 2032, when KM will be 28 and Harimoto 24. KM will need the Olympic singles experience if no one else comes through and it's very clear the CNT is honing KM to handle 3 events. Couple that with my prediction that ZYL's style could make a comeback.

预测洛杉矶名额 (Prediction of Los Angeles lineup)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9521996264
百媚生 在现在青黄不接的年代，我预测女乒名额大概率是银沙和蒯曼（虽然鱼这次拿了亚洲杯，但是没啥用。三十岁第一次上单打桌的人太稀有了，让一个30的人第一次上单打桌就间接证明梯队建设一坨屎，虽然就是一坨屎，但是老家伙们还在那死要面子呢）。男林诗栋和王大头。欢迎到时候挖坟
IP属地:福建1楼2025-02-24 16:15回复
(In this era of problematic transition, I predict that the WS will most likely be Silver Sha and Kuai Man (although Fish [Manyu] won the Asian Cup this time, it is useless. It is too rare for a 30-year-old to play singles for the first time. Letting a 30-year-old play singles for the first time indirectly proves that the echelon construction is a piece of shit. Although it is a piece of shit, the old farts are still trying to save face). MS will be Lin Shidong and Wang Big Head. Feel free to necropost when the time comes)

零崎不识 反正，这个预测，也很合理
毕竟现在整个乒乓球的官姥爷圈都是在扶孙颖莎
那让孙颖莎和蒯曼上洛杉矶奥运，在他们视角里约等于保送孙颖莎奥运会金牌，就看外协和蒯曼有没有手撕剧本的能力了，王曼昱不能上，因为王曼昱真的可能撕剧本
IP属地:北京来自Android客户端2楼2025-02-24 16:22收起回复
(Anyway, this prediction is also reasonable. After all, the entire official circle of table tennis is propping Sun Yingsha. So letting Sun Yingsha and Kuai Man go to the Los Angeles Olympics is equivalent to guaranteeing Sun Yingsha an Olympic gold medal. It depends on whether the foreign association and Kuai Man have the ability to tear up the script. Wang Manyu cannot go because she may really tear up the script)

贴吧用户_JRUXe78 蒯曼上单打，感觉很危险啊
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端3楼2025-02-24 16:29收起回复
(Kuai Man playing WS feels very dangerous)
盖刚超翔龙: 我倒觉得她是三人中最稳的一个，别受伤就好
2025-2-24 21:04回复
(I actually think she is the most consistent one among the three. Just don't get injured)

贴吧用户_0EUaKXy 我觉得基本上也是，虽然我很恨银莎，但银莎毕竟再菜也上了两次奥运，这种经验别人没有，洛杉矶她28，如果状态保持一下，应该可以上，如果保持不好，洛杉矶也不一定有她，但蒯曼我觉得真的会有，至于老鱼，争取退役前多从银莎手里拿几个世界杯就退役吧
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端4楼2025-02-24 16:39收起回复
(I think that's basically the case. Although I hate Silver Sha very much, no matter how poor she is, she has played the Olympics twice. Others don't have this kind of experience. She will be 28 at Los Angeles. If she maintains her form, she should be able to make it. If not, Los Angeles may not necessarily have her, but I think Kuai Man will really be there. As for Old Fish, try to win a few more World Cups from Silver Sha before retiring)
果壳大蜗牛snail: 老鱼估计还是团体
2025-2-24 18:38回复
(Old Fish will probably still play WT)

わらほし 那老鱼实惨，上了三届都只能打团体。
IP属地:日本来自Android客户端26楼2025-02-24 21:33收起回复
(Then Old Fish is really miserable. Only playing in WT for three editions.)
ysy11: 团体也得看情况吧，说不定就两届团体
2025-2-26 12:01回复
(It still depends on the situation for WT. No telling two editions of WT only)

林诗栋（八块腹肌版） 银沙现在打小盒越来越难了
IP属地:湖南来自iPhone客户端28楼2025-02-25 09:16回复
(It's getting harder and harder for Silver Sha to play Small Carton [Harimoto])

aleenxuyi 其实海产二人各自有各自要面对的挑战，鱼是伤病和状态不稳，莎是年龄增长带来的跑动速度下降（正手利球员的正手威力极大取决于能否及时跑到位），谁能克服谁才能上
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端29楼2025-02-25 09:21收起回复
(In fact, the two Seafood each have their own challenges to face. Fish is injury and inconsistent form, and Sha is slower running due to aging (the FH power of a FH-oriented player depends greatly on whether one can run to the proper position in time). Whoever can overcome this will play)
贴吧用户_GPeb5bD: 莎可以技改但是体弱很难改的鱼有点玻璃体质
2025-2-25 12:49回复
(Sha can modify her style, but Fish with that weak physique is difficult to modify. She has a glass body)

 

[NextLevel]

No, I mean 3 events. The critical factor will be Harimoto. It's difficult for SYS and WMY to hang around until Brisbane 2032, when KM will be 28 and Harimoto 24. KM will need the Olympic singles experience if no one else comes through and it's very clear the CNT is honing KM to handle 3 events. Couple that with my prediction that ZYL's style could make a comeback.

预测洛杉矶名额 (Prediction of Los Angeles lineup)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9521996264
百媚生 在现在青黄不接的年代，我预测女乒名额大概率是银沙和蒯曼（虽然鱼这次拿了亚洲杯，但是没啥用。三十岁第一次上单打桌的人太稀有了，让一个30的人第一次上单打桌就间接证明梯队建设一坨屎，虽然就是一坨屎，但是老家伙们还在那死要面子呢）。男林诗栋和王大头。欢迎到时候挖坟
IP属地:福建1楼2025-02-24 16:15回复
(In this era of problematic transition, I predict that the WS will most likely be Silver Sha and Kuai Man (although Fish [Manyu] won the Asian Cup this time, it is useless. It is too rare for a 30-year-old to play singles for the first time. Letting a 30-year-old play singles for the first time indirectly proves that the echelon construction is a piece of shit. Although it is a piece of shit, the old farts are still trying to save face). MS will be Lin Shidong and Wang Big Head. Feel free to necropost when the time comes)

零崎不识 反正，这个预测，也很合理
毕竟现在整个乒乓球的官姥爷圈都是在扶孙颖莎
那让孙颖莎和蒯曼上洛杉矶奥运，在他们视角里约等于保送孙颖莎奥运会金牌，就看外协和蒯曼有没有手撕剧本的能力了，王曼昱不能上，因为王曼昱真的可能撕剧本
IP属地:北京来自Android客户端2楼2025-02-24 16:22收起回复
(Anyway, this prediction is also reasonable. After all, the entire official circle of table tennis is propping Sun Yingsha. So letting Sun Yingsha and Kuai Man go to the Los Angeles Olympics is equivalent to guaranteeing Sun Yingsha an Olympic gold medal. It depends on whether the foreign association and Kuai Man have the ability to tear up the script. Wang Manyu cannot go because she may really tear up the script)

贴吧用户_JRUXe78 蒯曼上单打，感觉很危险啊
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端3楼2025-02-24 16:29收起回复
(Kuai Man playing WS feels very dangerous)
盖刚超翔龙: 我倒觉得她是三人中最稳的一个，别受伤就好
2025-2-24 21:04回复
(I actually think she is the most consistent one among the three. Just don't get injured)

贴吧用户_0EUaKXy 我觉得基本上也是，虽然我很恨银莎，但银莎毕竟再菜也上了两次奥运，这种经验别人没有，洛杉矶她28，如果状态保持一下，应该可以上，如果保持不好，洛杉矶也不一定有她，但蒯曼我觉得真的会有，至于老鱼，争取退役前多从银莎手里拿几个世界杯就退役吧
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端4楼2025-02-24 16:39收起回复
(I think that's basically the case. Although I hate Silver Sha very much, no matter how poor she is, she has played the Olympics twice. Others don't have this kind of experience. She will be 28 at Los Angeles. If she maintains her form, she should be able to make it. If not, Los Angeles may not necessarily have her, but I think Kuai Man will really be there. As for Old Fish, try to win a few more World Cups from Silver Sha before retiring)
果壳大蜗牛snail: 老鱼估计还是团体
2025-2-24 18:38回复
(Old Fish will probably still play WT)

わらほし 那老鱼实惨，上了三届都只能打团体。
IP属地:日本来自Android客户端26楼2025-02-24 21:33收起回复
(Then Old Fish is really miserable. Only playing in WT for three editions.)
ysy11: 团体也得看情况吧，说不定就两届团体
2025-2-26 12:01回复
(It still depends on the situation for WT. No telling two editions of WT only)

林诗栋（八块腹肌版） 银沙现在打小盒越来越难了
IP属地:湖南来自iPhone客户端28楼2025-02-25 09:16回复
(It's getting harder and harder for Silver Sha to play Small Carton [Harimoto])

aleenxuyi 其实海产二人各自有各自要面对的挑战，鱼是伤病和状态不稳，莎是年龄增长带来的跑动速度下降（正手利球员的正手威力极大取决于能否及时跑到位），谁能克服谁才能上
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端29楼2025-02-25 09:21收起回复
(In fact, the two Seafood each have their own challenges to face. Fish is injury and inconsistent form, and Sha is slower running due to aging (the FH power of a FH-oriented player depends greatly on whether one can run to the proper position in time). Whoever can overcome this will play)
贴吧用户_GPeb5bD: 莎可以技改但是体弱很难改的鱼有点玻璃体质
2025-2-25 12:49回复
(Sha can modify her style, but Fish with that weak physique is difficult to modify. She has a glass body)

For 2032 sure. For 2028, she still has to beat SYS and WMY. And she also has to play doubles with one of them which will be determined by the team rankings. WMY is still hungry.

 

[Vlad Celler]

Am I right in seeing that Hirano Miu is not listed in any major tournaments in March?

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Am I right in seeing that Hirano Miu is not listed in any major tournaments in March?

WTT Champions Chongqing has a NER limit of 4 (Hayata, Miwa, Odo, Ito). There are 2 Feeders, but she would not be eligible for them due to her high ranking. Not sure why she's not entered in Star Contender Chennai as there seems to be a lot of Japanese players there.

 

[NextLevel]

WTT Champions Chongqing has a NER limit of 4 (Hayata, Miwa, Odo, Ito). There are 2 Feeders, but she would not be eligible for them due to her high ranking. Not sure why she's not entered in Star Contender Chennai as there seems to be a lot of Japanese players there.

She is taking Zeio's advice to rest. Smart.

 

[zeio]

After WTT CS Chongqing 2025 where WMY had to forfeit due to another injury, another Tieba thread popped up on the increasing probability of KM securing 1 WS, whereas SYS and WMY will compete for the other one for LA 2028.

洛杉矶最后大概率是老莎老鱼争一个名额，另一个名额是蒯曼的 (For Los Angeles, it is likely that Old Sha and Old Yu will compete for one spot, and the other spot will go to Kuai Man)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9580754889

No, I mean 3 events. The critical factor will be Harimoto. It's difficult for SYS and WMY to hang around until Brisbane 2032, when KM will be 28 and Harimoto 24. KM will need the Olympic singles experience if no one else comes through and it's very clear the CNT is honing KM to handle 3 events. Couple that with my prediction that ZYL's style could make a comeback.

预测洛杉矶名额 (Prediction of Los Angeles lineup)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9521996264
百媚生 在现在青黄不接的年代，我预测女乒名额大概率是银沙和蒯曼（虽然鱼这次拿了亚洲杯，但是没啥用。三十岁第一次上单打桌的人太稀有了，让一个30的人第一次上单打桌就间接证明梯队建设一坨屎，虽然就是一坨屎，但是老家伙们还在那死要面子呢）。男林诗栋和王大头。欢迎到时候挖坟
IP属地:福建1楼2025-02-24 16:15回复
(In this era of problematic transition, I predict that the WS will most likely be Silver Sha and Kuai Man (although Fish [Manyu] won the Asian Cup this time, it is useless. It is too rare for a 30-year-old to play singles for the first time. Letting a 30-year-old play singles for the first time indirectly proves that the echelon construction is a piece of shit. Although it is a piece of shit, the old farts are still trying to save face). MS will be Lin Shidong and Wang Big Head. Feel free to necropost when the time comes)

零崎不识 反正，这个预测，也很合理
毕竟现在整个乒乓球的官姥爷圈都是在扶孙颖莎
那让孙颖莎和蒯曼上洛杉矶奥运，在他们视角里约等于保送孙颖莎奥运会金牌，就看外协和蒯曼有没有手撕剧本的能力了，王曼昱不能上，因为王曼昱真的可能撕剧本
IP属地:北京来自Android客户端2楼2025-02-24 16:22收起回复
(Anyway, this prediction is also reasonable. After all, the entire official circle of table tennis is propping Sun Yingsha. So letting Sun Yingsha and Kuai Man go to the Los Angeles Olympics is equivalent to guaranteeing Sun Yingsha an Olympic gold medal. It depends on whether the foreign association and Kuai Man have the ability to tear up the script. Wang Manyu cannot go because she may really tear up the script)

贴吧用户_JRUXe78 蒯曼上单打，感觉很危险啊
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端3楼2025-02-24 16:29收起回复
(Kuai Man playing WS feels very dangerous)
盖刚超翔龙: 我倒觉得她是三人中最稳的一个，别受伤就好
2025-2-24 21:04回复
(I actually think she is the most consistent one among the three. Just don't get injured)

贴吧用户_0EUaKXy 我觉得基本上也是，虽然我很恨银莎，但银莎毕竟再菜也上了两次奥运，这种经验别人没有，洛杉矶她28，如果状态保持一下，应该可以上，如果保持不好，洛杉矶也不一定有她，但蒯曼我觉得真的会有，至于老鱼，争取退役前多从银莎手里拿几个世界杯就退役吧
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端4楼2025-02-24 16:39收起回复
(I think that's basically the case. Although I hate Silver Sha very much, no matter how poor she is, she has played the Olympics twice. Others don't have this kind of experience. She will be 28 at Los Angeles. If she maintains her form, she should be able to make it. If not, Los Angeles may not necessarily have her, but I think Kuai Man will really be there. As for Old Fish, try to win a few more World Cups from Silver Sha before retiring)
果壳大蜗牛snail: 老鱼估计还是团体
2025-2-24 18:38回复
(Old Fish will probably still play WT)

わらほし 那老鱼实惨，上了三届都只能打团体。
IP属地:日本来自Android客户端26楼2025-02-24 21:33收起回复
(Then Old Fish is really miserable. Only playing in WT for three editions.)
ysy11: 团体也得看情况吧，说不定就两届团体
2025-2-26 12:01回复
(It still depends on the situation for WT. No telling two editions of WT only)

林诗栋（八块腹肌版） 银沙现在打小盒越来越难了
IP属地:湖南来自iPhone客户端28楼2025-02-25 09:16回复
(It's getting harder and harder for Silver Sha to play Small Carton [Harimoto])

aleenxuyi 其实海产二人各自有各自要面对的挑战，鱼是伤病和状态不稳，莎是年龄增长带来的跑动速度下降（正手利球员的正手威力极大取决于能否及时跑到位），谁能克服谁才能上
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端29楼2025-02-25 09:21收起回复
(In fact, the two Seafood each have their own challenges to face. Fish is injury and inconsistent form, and Sha is slower running due to aging (the FH power of a FH-oriented player depends greatly on whether one can run to the proper position in time). Whoever can overcome this will play)
贴吧用户_GPeb5bD: 莎可以技改但是体弱很难改的鱼有点玻璃体质
2025-2-25 12:49回复
(Sha can modify her style, but Fish with that weak physique is difficult to modify. She has a glass body)