A stiff all-wood with a soft feel?

[Tyce]

do not confuse stiffness with solid feel. stiff woods by default cannot have a soft feeling

for example primorac blade korbel and stiga clipper all have limba and ayous

but the softer feel is to primorac blade which has the more flex and vibration also, korbel in the middle an stiga clipper is the stiffest/harderst and fastest of all blades

This post actually adds to the confusion.

Stiff blades can feel soft, Clipper is an excellent example.
Primorac is just about as soft, but is thin and flexible.

Don't mistake the flexibility for softness, (or stiffness for hardness) it's not the same property.

The stiff construction is what makes Clipper fast, not the material hardness.

 

[MarekD]

This post actually adds to the confusion.

Stiff blades can feel soft, Clipper is an excellent example.
Primorac is just about as soft, but is thin and flexible.

Don't mistake the flexibility for softness, (or stiffness for hardness) it's not the same property.

The stiff construction is what makes Clipper fast, not the material hardness.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Flex is a feature I don't want.

 

[MarekD]

What handle shape and blade head sizing are you after, if you have a preference?

Handle shape ST.

 

[MarekD]

all wood soft feel only mean one thing: Hinoki!!! Specifically one ply.

Do you know any blade with hinoki? I know Hinotec OFF-. Excellent blade. But they don't make it anymore. Lower speed. I would need it in ST holding.

 

[MarekD]

I can recommend Yinhe Uranus U3 as a classical example (thickness: 6.8mm - rather stiff, but not too fast), a bit slower can be Yinhe Uranus U2 Spin (thickness: 6.0mm). From DHS, I can recommend Power G7H (Hinoki top ply variant of the famous budget blade Power G7 with 6.3mm thickness) or Power G9 (thin Koto top plies, 6.3mm thickness). Sword Day Fury (non-pro or pro version, thickness around 6mm) is also similar to DHS Power G7. Sometimes you can also get good deals on Loki Kirin K6 (thickness: 6.0mm). All of these are easy to use 7 ply blades with rather good feeling, most of them are bordering All+/Off- speed.

My problem with Chinese blades is that they are mostly made in FL grip. I need ST grip.

Does anyone know if the Sanwei Fextra 5 is stiff or flex? I have the Fextra 7, it is stiff, but fast and a bit hard for me.

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

Handle shape ST.

I would recommend Xiom Solo (slightly harder, thinner Clipper) the ST handle is a little thin but it is reasonably wide, very comfy IMO.

 

[Gozo Aruna]

Do you know any blade with hinoki? I know Hinotec OFF-. Excellent blade. But they don't make it anymore. Lower speed. I would need it in ST holding.

1. Nitakku Septear ( 7 ply all hinoki wood )
2. Gewo Aruna Off ( Hinoki outer )

 

[MarekD]

All the blades you mentioned are seven-ply. Do you know of any blades with similar properties that are five-ply?

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

All the blades you mentioned are seven-ply. Do you know of any blades with similar properties that are five-ply?

Xiom Aria (6.4mm thickness) but I don't know if it is easy to find anymore

 

[S2000]

Yasaka Falck W7 is a really solid, 7 plies are, but with great wood feeling. It is like clipper quite fast also.

Another good choice would be Donic Persson Powerplay. Both DPP as well as Fack W7 has larger sweet spot. Don't forget how the handle fits you.

 

[K.K]

All the blades you mentioned are seven-ply. Do you know of any blades with similar properties that are five-ply?

butterfly korbel japan and all the copies of that blade like neotec voodoo classic, gewo zoom pro, xiom offensive s and so on. all of those are fast and stiff 5 ply blades with soft limba outer

 

[MarekD]

butterfly korbel japan and all the copies of that blade like neotec voodoo classic, gewo zoom pro, xiom offensive s and so on. all of those are fast and stiff 5 ply blades with soft limba outer

Are you speaking from personal experience or general knowledge?
I prefer slower.

For example, I read about Neotec woodoo classic that it is very flexible.

 

[K.K]

Are you speaking from personal experience or general knowledge?
I prefer slower.

For example, I read about Neotec woodoo classic that it is very flexible.

depends against you compare it too. all 5 ply blades are flexible against any carbon inforced blade. but if you compare a 5 ply against another 5 ply then the ones i named are stiffer. the stiffest one of the list would be xiom offensive s. and yes i tried all of them thanks to my clubmates

 

[Tyce]

Korbel Japan is quite flexible, then again all 5plies are unless you go thick.
Maybe an inner fiber 5+2 blade would work better. I'd say my Pro 05 is stiff and soft.

 

[MarekD]

Or I thought how to slow down while keeping the blade stiff is to choose a seven-ply wood with a smaller thickness. What do you think? I have a Fextra 7 blade, but at 6.25 mm thick it is still fast for my game.

 

[wmy2017520]

我建議你試試Takaki Niwa

 

[K.K]

if you want a slow but stiff blade then you should not look into offensive blades and choose a defensive or allround blade. maybe even a blade made for pips like the ones from dr. neubauer

 

[MarekD]

if you want a slow but stiff blade then you should not look into offensive blades and choose a defensive or allround blade. maybe even a blade made for pips like the ones from dr. neubauer

Defensive blades have a problem that they usually have a larger head and are thinner overall. So they are usually very flexible.
But if you know of any such blades that are stiff and slow please post them.

 

[Tyce]

Or I thought how to slow down while keeping the blade stiff is to choose a seven-ply wood with a smaller thickness. What do you think? I have a Fextra 7 blade, but at 6.25 mm thick it is still fast for my game.

The same wood, but thinner, will be more flexible, not softer.
Think of sheet metal vs a beam. The difference is in flexibility.

But let's set aside the technical talk. I don't think it's getting us anywhere.

What makes you feel the blade is too fast? What shots are you having trouble with, what do you expect/want and what is the actual result?

 

[MarekD]

The same wood, but thinner, will be more flexible, not softer.
Think of sheet metal vs a beam. The difference is in flexibility..........

I thought that the seven-layer construction has a larger proportion of glue, which theoretically could add rigidity to the entire assembly even with a lower thickness. But I haven't verified this.