Alternative to Nittaku PK50 (and 8-80) ?

[tzifos]

The Yasaka Bold Dragon rubber is extremely slow, much much slower than my old rubber Hexer grip, when going at low powers ,even though i paired it with a W968 Clone.

Is bottoming out???

At High Force you can rip through underspin balls all day with insane spin

That's what I want to hear I prefer spin over speed!

 

[MsBonky]

no it didnt bottom out

 

[MsBonky]

First About me:

I have about 1600 TTR in Germany and play a sorta Modern Defensive style with a brutal Forehand and Long Pips on the backhand where i mostly just chop or counter the ball. I searched a long time for a rubber that was extremly slow on touches and fast(ish) on high power which i think have found in the Yasaka Bold Dragon. I played the Yasaka Bold Dragon on a SDC W968 Blade with 1.1mm Feint Long III on the Backhand

Now to the rubber The Yasaka Bold Dragon is extremely slow, and when i say slow i mean slow on low impact shots. I think this is because of the extreme Tackiness that this rubber posseses. much much Tackier than hurricane 3 which i didn’t like due to the low/medium Tackiness. The ball jumps once on the rubber and instantly sticks to the Racket. thats how tacky it is. The Rubber is also very light much lighter. than the hexer grip i had before.

On high impact shots the rubber shows its real potential. Due to the high tackiness i was able to rip underspin balls with good speed and crazy spin. I played against a chopper who was rated about 1800 TTR where i usually lose 0:3, but with the extreme grip i was able to win 3:2. Another great strength of the rubber is any kinds of of Pushes, ( Long, Short, Fast) the rubber slows down perfectly and only does what you want it to do. Blocking with this rubber is also good because of the tack is slows the fast balls down to let you play the ball on the table. Topspin/Topspin rally’s are easy to win.

The downside of the rubber is the physical demand that the rubber needs to activate its real potential.

 

[tzifos]

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First About me:

I have about 1600 TTR in Germany and play a sorta Modern Defensive style with a brutal Forehand and Long Pips on the backhand where i mostly just chop or counter the ball. I searched a long time for a rubber that was extremly slow on touches and fast(ish) on high power which i think have found in the Yasaka Bold Dragon. I played the Yasaka Bold Dragon on a SDC W968 Blade with 1.1mm Feint Long III on the Backhand

Now to the rubber The Yasaka Bold Dragon is extremely slow, and when i say slow i mean slow on low impact shots. I think this is because of the extreme Tackiness that this rubber posseses. much much Tackier than hurricane 3 which i didn’t like due to the low/medium Tackiness. The ball jumps once on the rubber and instantly sticks to the Racket. thats how tacky it is. The Rubber is also very light much lighter. than the hexer grip i had before.

On high impact shots the rubber shows its real potential. Due to the high tackiness i was able to rip underspin balls with good speed and crazy spin. I played against a chopper who was rated about 1800 TTR where i usually lose 0:3, but with the extreme grip i was able to win 3:2. Another great strength of the rubber is any kinds of of Pushes, ( Long, Short, Fast) the rubber slows down perfectly and only does what you want it to do. Blocking with this rubber is also good because of the tack is slows the fast balls down to let you play the ball on the table. Topspin/Topspin rally’s are easy to win.

The downside of the rubber is the physical demand that the rubber needs to activate its real potential.

I think this rubber deserves a thread on his own! Not inside another's rubber thread. So please @MsBonky do the right thing!

I am also playing a modern - defender style with VKM (might be Goriki in the future) and Do Knuckle 1mm (bh) / Mantra ProM (fh) and I was looking for a rubber like this.

 

[andzejgolot]

Why you think IT deserves? Because it is tacky ? Wtf

 

[tzifos]

Why you think IT deserves? Because it is tacky ? Wtf

Because, a) it's not a PK/50 alternative as I understand from MsBonky report, it's a different thing b) the last 20 - 15 (???) posts in this thread are about this, c) it is better to talk for a specific product on its own thread instead of a "alternatives" thread where we can discuss about 5-10-30 different products. This way all information will be in place and not in different threads, easier for users to search.

 

[MsBonky]

i posted my review in another thread now

 

[andzejgolot]

Lol you trying to hype this then be another thread about alternative to bolo dragon. IT can be discountined sooner than later and everything needs time. My sieger pk50 is exactly like he said. Tacky and slow

 

[MsBonky]

how tacky is the pk50? how many times does it bounce

 

[jk1980]

how tacky is the pk50? how many times does it bounce

you are being not specific enough. You need to provide the fall height, but apart from real chinese rubbers, the pk50 is the one with the lowest bounce on passive strokes definitely.

 

[tzifos]

More about the Yasaka Bold (or Bolo ) Dragon here : https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/yasaka-bold-dragon-review.36408/

 

[andzejgolot]

Sieger is gluing rubber to the ball for 1 second

 

[MsBonky]

you are being not specific enough. You need to provide the fall height, but apart from real chinese rubbers, the pk50 is the one with the lowest bounce on passive strokes definitely.

about 2,5 ~ 3 net heights

 

[MsBonky]

Sieger is gluing rubber to the ball for 1 second

my sheet if bolo dragon held it for about 15 seconds

 

[boretennis]

don't know if still relevant, but PK50 is available from the european Nittaku website, shipping from Germany.

Nittaku Sieger PK50

Der Nittaku Sieger PK50 mit klebriger Oberfläche, mittelharten Schwamm und einer hohen Eigendynamik. Dieser offensive Tischtennis Belag Made in Germany erzeugt dank des klebrigen Obergummis eine hohe Flugkurve mit extrem starker Rotation. Jetzt erhältlich im Nittaku Deutschland Tischtennis...

nittaku.tt

 

[tzifos]

don't know if still relevant, but PK50 is available from the european Nittaku website, shipping from Germany.

Nittaku Sieger PK50

Der Nittaku Sieger PK50 mit klebriger Oberfläche, mittelharten Schwamm und einer hohen Eigendynamik. Dieser offensive Tischtennis Belag Made in Germany erzeugt dank des klebrigen Obergummis eine hohe Flugkurve mit extrem starker Rotation. Jetzt erhältlich im Nittaku Deutschland Tischtennis...

nittaku.tt

Yeap!!!

 

[andzejgolot]

I was talking with Nittaku- Soulspin guy, I asked about price because it is discountined so price should go down and they respond me that people are very interested in sieger so they didnt want do anything with price
-my opinion
( Samuel L Jackson voice) what is a main reason to end production, MFs !

 

[andzejgolot]

I found my alternative

 

[tzifos]

@andzejgolot Would you like to share the knowledge with us ?

 

[Neppo]

Anyone tested Xiom Omega VIII China?
It sounds by the description that it could be a nice alternative