Backhand Rakza 7 vs C1 vs G1 vs Vega Korea vs Vega Japan vs D09c

[VilligeMaster]

If the blade is hard one with little dwell time, thinner rubber may have problem with slipping. I played with R7 and G1 a lot, spin and grip with these rubbers almost always was amazing, excepting one case, when I used hard Yinhe V14Pro blade. Try to use max sponge 45' hardness rubber. Donic Bluefire M2, Acuda S2, Xiom Omega V Euro, Rasanter R45...

 

[SlowPower]

With d09c and g1 thr blade will be over 200g- not sure if you will like that!?

 

[Zezima]

With d09c and g1 thr blade will be over 200g- not sure if you will like that!?

I already have g1. Just not sure if I should go max here from super thick. With Rakza on the other side my racket is around 188g. I doubt d09c is going to add another 12g.

Hard to say if I will like that or not. My blade is already headheavy and I played better with 188g blade setup than 160-180g setup. I just have more difficulties with short fh flip strokes but thats also because I barely train that stroke. but for looping long balls I doubt its gonna matter for me.

 

[Zezima]

Very few blades will have two different sides. Long 5 is symmetrical, you can flip it around and play. It might feel a bit uncomfortable, as you've probably rounded down wings with your grip on one side by now.


Yes, this is essentially how you can quickly test rubbers - put two different sheets on your blade, play some strokes, flip, play same strokes, compare. Repeat on FH. Ideal would be to have a partner who could give you their impressions on receive.

Personally, I focus on one wing first (say BH, both rubbers) instead of doing one rubber on both wings. Doing one wing (rubber A, flip, rubber B) lets me directly compare them, and my opponent can quickly comment as well.

Alright Thanks for the Input! Will try to test it today even. Will flip rakza 7 with my g1 and see if I or my partner can see any difference

 

[MrGeorge]

With d09c and g1 thr blade will be over 200g- not sure if you will like that!?

HL5 with 2 D09c. Your total weight should be between 190-200 with and no more.

 

[K.K]

i don‘t think it matters if you play max or 2,0 because in nittakus range it will just be 1mm thicker with some wiggleroom. maybe your superthick is already 2,1? i think you will not notice so much and will adapt anyway looking at how you play. don‘t overthink it, put on the 09c and just play, have fun and maybe try and flip your bat to see how you play with g-1 on backhand and 09c at forehand. see how it works out and then stay with what feels best. g-1 and 09c should be grippy enough for slow and hard strokes, the rest will be technical things with stroke mechanics.

 

[Zezima]

HL5 with 2 D09c. Your total weight should be between 190-200 with and no more.
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Can I use the protective foil that comes with the rubber? Or was I supposed to buy an extra one? Also that weight would be really good for me almost the same as what I currently have. Is that 2,1mm or 1,9mm?

 

[jaghaimo]

Can I use the protective foil that comes with the rubber? Or was I supposed to buy an extra one? Also that weight would be really good for me almost the same as what I currently have. Is that 2,1mm or 1,9mm?

If it curls (soft one) after you take it off then not really. If it's the stiff type (maintains shape), then yes.

Sorry, don't remember which one D09c comes with. From the photo it looks to be a soft one.

My friend is using sticky protective foil, while I use non-sticky (since D09c is slightly tacky, regular foil will stick to the it if the rubber is clean).

I'll also weight Long5+D09c 2.1+R7 MAX to give you another look at your potential weight.

 

[VilligeMaster]

Is your blade varnished or something? It really looks like lack of grip caused by little dwell time. You can also prevent it by using two thick layers of glue on the blade when gluing the rubbers. It will give you some extra dwell time, and better feeling.

 

[jaghaimo]

I've just disassembled my bat. HL5 (90g)+ D09c 2.1 (52g)+ R7 MAX (50g)= 192g. This includes glue. D09c is too big for Long 5 (came from Ovtcharov), could be 1-2g less if cut to HL5.

 

[MrGeorge]

Can I use the protective foil that comes with the rubber? Or was I supposed to buy an extra one? Also that weight would be really good for me almost the same as what I currently have. Is that 2,1mm or 1,9mm?

Don't recommended as @jaghaimo said, it curls. I also using non-sticky and its much better for me.

 

[Zezima]

Well it will be too late by then. Because I dont have any protection foils. Never needed it for my previous rubbers. I will just use the one it comes with then instead of using none at all no?

Also I tried G1 2,00mm on my BH. I just told my partner if he sees any difference. Basically brush looping felt so much better it felt "softer" why? (Rakza7 2,00mm same hardness?) the more forward less brushing strokes felt better with Rakza 7. He said G1 is more dangerous not just because of the spin but also because how the ball bounces (less predictable) and Rakza 7 very predictable. Ofc I didn´t tell him which rubber is which.
Either way I could control the G1 so if D09c doesn´t work out I will go G1 2,00mm BH and G1 2,00mm FH or max on FH.


I also just realized when I loop with bh or FH doesnt matter. after hitting the ball my racket is blocking the view of the ball for a short time. I think on FH I just realized that looping an underspin ball? Will need to focus on that next training again. Might be doing something wrong. Also during the exercises I had a 95% success rate on my opening loops from BH with BH , middle with FH, and FH side with FH. But in the game it dropped to 30% or something.

Am I supposed to stay as low as when I do an opening loop on long BS same as against a block? Or can I stay a little higher with my legs against those shots? What is better? I mean adjusting how much you bend your knees to the height of the ball.

 

[Zezima]

Yesterday I beat him 3-1 (He plays in highest league in county). The one set I lost to was also down to 2 point difference.

Actually that confused me a lot. I kept thinking I need more spin and so on. Turns out looping consistently with good placement where he is not already waiting to counter topspin it is much better. And if he counters it I just blocked it back where he has to move and then got a weak return back. Sure it wore me out having to loop 5x in a row to finally get the point. My loops are so consistent now only like 10- 20% mistake when looping. Too bad I didn´t film it to see what was working and what not. I tend to forget such games quite fast.

old vid where he beat me 3-1.

 

[Zezima]

HL5 with 2 D09c. Your total weight should be between 190-200 with and no more.
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what foil do you use for the rubber? Or did you just cut the one that comes with the rubber itself?
I just played with the rubber today glued it 1h before training. Sadly only had trainingspartner who just wanted to warm up half an hour with normal drives and then did 2 matches against 2 different players.

My blade currently weighs 197g with g1 2,00mm. So not sure how you can get 191g with both sides maybe you have 1,9mm d09c? I got myself 2,1mm.

So far from my observation. I don´t know if it´s just a motivation thing or not. But I could loop every ball even shorter balls on receive with no problem. Sure I could do that with R7 aswell. But this one feels safer? But then again my R7 also felt "harder" than my g1 which feels more soft.

With the D09c I could just adjust the speed and now that its gonna land on the table. Long balls I can easily loop low over the net with heavy spin. They don´t even dare blocking that ball with an active block. Pushing game was very linear very controlled.

Service game didn´t really feel like I had more spin than my R7 (with my bh serve) Same serve same errors if any from my opp misjudging the amount of topspin it has. I forced those errors with R7 aswell. Didn´t try it with my fh service.

I flipped the bat and looped with D09c on my fh aswell. Felt good but really paying 50€ more ? Needs more testing to justify that. Ball never slipped could be because its very new.

I was so confident any ball to my BH I could loop and get the point (Just what my goal was by changing my bh rubber). Bad news was I was getting more balls to my FH so I could barely play with my BH.

Blocking was nice too easy to adjust the length.

I was initially scared that this rubber might be too hard for me to use but for real I think anyone who can play with G1/R7/Prime/R48 kind of rubbers can play with this too.

Tomorrow I will train again and can report back afterwards if I can confirm what I just wrote again or whether it was just a fluke. Also gonna be playing in our main trainingshall.

sorry for the long post

 

[MrGeorge]

what foil do you use for the rubber? Or did you just cut the one that comes with the rubber itself?
I just played with the rubber today glued it 1h before training. Sadly only had trainingspartner who just wanted to warm up half an hour with normal drives and then did 2 matches against 2 different players.

My blade currently weighs 197g with g1 2,00mm. So not sure how you can get 191g with both sides maybe you have 1,9mm d09c? I got myself 2,1mm.

So far from my observation. I don´t know if it´s just a motivation thing or not. But I could loop every ball even shorter balls on receive with no problem. Sure I could do that with R7 aswell. But this one feels safer? But then again my R7 also felt "harder" than my g1 which feels more soft.

With the D09c I could just adjust the speed and now that its gonna land on the table. Long balls I can easily loop low over the net with heavy spin. They don´t even dare blocking that ball with an active block. Pushing game was very linear very controlled.

Service game didn´t really feel like I had more spin than my R7 (with my bh serve) Same serve same errors if any from my opp misjudging the amount of topspin it has. I forced those errors with R7 aswell. Didn´t try it with my fh service.

I flipped the bat and looped with D09c on my fh aswell. Felt good but really paying 50€ more ? Needs more testing to justify that. Ball never slipped could be because its very new.

I was so confident any ball to my BH I could loop and get the point (Just what my goal was by changing my bh rubber). Bad news was I was getting more balls to my FH so I could barely play with my BH.

Blocking was nice too easy to adjust the length.

I was initially scared that this rubber might be too hard for me to use but for real I think anyone who can play with G1/R7/Prime/R48 kind of rubbers can play with this too.

Tomorrow I will train again and can report back afterwards if I can confirm what I just wrote again or whether it was just a fluke. Also gonna be playing in our main trainingshall.

sorry for the long post

I am using 2.1mm, the foil on photo is from rubber but I using just regular non sticky cut to the shape of rubber. U need just practice with rubber. For me I needed at least 1 month of playing to saw results. But 1 thing I can tell. The spin from 09c is way more dangerous and harder to block then R7. I can easily push ball with aggressive block from R7. So its depends on your playing skills and if u need more spin or u are okay with the spin of R7

 

[jaghaimo]

My blade currently weighs 197g with g1 2,00mm. So not sure how you can get 191g with both sides maybe you have 1,9mm d09c? I got myself 2,1mm.

Sounds about right. Is your blade on the heavy end?

My Long 5 with 2 x D09C 2.1mm is 192g. Blade is 90g.
My other Long 5 with 2 x H3s (2.1mm and 39d, one boosted 3 the other 2 times) is 188g. Blade is also 90g.

 

[Zezima]

Sounds about right. Is your blade on the heavy end?

My Long 5 with 2 x D09C 2.1mm is 192g. Blade is 90g.
My other Long 5 with 2 x H3s (2.1mm and 39d, one boosted 3 the other 2 times) is 188g. Blade is also 90g.

No my blade is 90g aswell.
G1 and r7 both 52g-50g =192?
G1 and d09c = 197g
Blade+ g1 was = 142g