Best Single Ply Hinoki Blade on Ali Express for a 13 Year old! and thenbest Price/Performance Single PLy?

[Haraold]

Thx all for the tipps,no i can´t order from Taobao i think,
i always thought Aliexpress were the best place for branded Hinoki Blades. or in General for Hinoki blades.
I have to check if i can order from germany,but thx for the Yahoo auction tipp.
Yes i know it can Splinter really fast and i know it will be really heavy but maybe 8 mm or so could be ok for him.
He played recently with my setup BTY KIso V and Bluestar A1 and Glayzer on bh,we did some drills and he did really well,
that was the point were i decided to make this Thread to get some valuable tipps,and you all delivered thx.
Maybe his Father play the Blade before and then in 2 Years the young one gets the "Holy Grail".
It is just a tradition,otherwise he would try to get an Old Stiga Modell,but the prices for those are also in the range of Darker,even the AVX one Ply,which i can´t find anywhere.
Even a Tibhar H1 or H3.
The point was to see which Blades you guys would pass on and why ,not only for keepsake but actually playing or training at home.
He played in a club for years and now has stopped,it is also about bringing him back the "fun" for the game.
He plays already a BTY junior Modell,but slowly it becomes to small for him,that is also a reason.
SO thanks again you all got me some great tipps for Hinoki Blades in General and where to look for it.

 

[Haraold]

thx again i already found a

KOKUTAKU Tischtennisschläger Bishu Serie 3008 ST Custom Rare Edition​

which i didn´t know existed on yahoo auction,I always searched on Ebay and found not that much blades.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Hmmmm... revisiting this thread again. My opinion is little boys and girls should be using:

A) Boys: Viscaria ALC or its equivalent if under coaching

B) Girls: Innerforce ZLC or its equivalent if under coaching

C) Old uncles / aunties: One ply Hinoki if under coaching.

D) Garage / Rec: Five ply all wood if not under coaching.

Fin. Uncle Gozo has spoken. Niece and nephew pay attention.

Gozo: Helping the EJ community since 2021.

 

[rbtitco]

@rbtitco yes that should be an Intention,but its not a bout cheap or expensive,altough that might factor in.
It is for the son of a Friend of mine.he got his Old Stiga handed down from his Father which is from he late80s,so he wants to do the Same.
Yes the Darker Speed 90 is well known so maybe somebody who played it could chime in why he thinks ts worthy as a "heirloom" or "keepsake".
AS you could do why you chose Your Yasaka masamune instead of the Septear?There is also the Nittaku Cypress Hinoki 5.22 and 7.22 so maybe someone played those over the Septear which is also a 7 ply.
Its about the Value of some Blades Playing charakteristiks which is why they want to pass it on to the next generation.
Maybe there is also a correlation of some Drills who got passed on from coaching also to iot,and maybe some more forehand oriented Players choose those Cypress or Hinoki,or Sköllarwood from @Wakkibatty or @hipnotic SDC Blades ,Vodak you name it,over others and why they value them so much to pass it on.
Or we got some guys who got really a Yinhe #350 or 300+ Year Old Blades ,the expensive ones and why.
The positive effect of this can also be attributed,less roding of Kiso Trees cause they should be passed on,if some Really don´t break a Single Ply for Generations maybe you get an Award from Japans Forrestial Ambasserie,lol.
I hope i brought my points across and thank all who haveresponded and will respond,and feel free to describe why .
I find that EJ rabbithole fascinating

Hey Haraold, I was thinking Septear cuz its a good speed. it can go, but its not absurdly fast and the feeling is awesome. It seemed like a great choice for a 13 year old.Ghe price is right, and in house Nittakus are quality. To answer your question, I got my Masamune because I heard a lot about hinoki and was curious how it played. I ended up at a TT shop and they had one for a cheap price. The handle was the best one I ever held, nice thick ST, felt amazing, it had 7.2 mm, so it had all the speed i needed. Afterwards, a friend had a septear and we did some drills and the feeling of it was really nice, I saw how it was a cult blade. Ultimately, though, I prefer my thicker faster blade, because its just more ass away from the table and Im used to it.
I've never seen a thick one ply shakehand in real life, only jpen. 10mm is too thick for most it seems.
By the way, its cool that you're looking out for your friend and his son like that, ur a good guy 🤙

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Carl,

My Mark 1 has survived some pretty wild droppage. Twice drop from table height and once I hit my partner during doubles and the blade flew half way across the TT room. Pretty scary moment but no split, thank god!

I believe it is because mine is extra thick and extra dense that shielded it from imminent destruction.

Max rubber and thick foamy side tape also helped l guess.

Yep. They don't all break. If they did, nobody would use them. You kind of have to hit at the right angle. It does not matter so much how thick the blade is; it is the angle the wood gets hit at since Hinoki plies line up so cleanly. But I am glad yours has withstood the test of time.

But if you were a 13 year old kid and had it in your school bag, in a regular, soft TT racket covering, and shoved the bag into a desk, or left it on a bench for 10 min on your way home from school, and one of your friends accidentally sat on it, or stepped on it, you might wind up with a different result.

Also, it is something that anyone looking to make the purchase of a One Ply Hinoki blade would be good to know. There is nothing that feels as good as a One Ply Hinoki blade. Nothing. But, it is also an expensive blade. And if you are spending that kind of money, it would be worth knowing that the risk of breakage is present.

Any blade can break. But the way a 5 or 7 ply blade will break is very different than the way a 1 ply blade will break.

 

[Haraold]

yeah he is a bit of a slouch considering Forums,he never visited table Tennis Forums,but he is a good player usattabout 1850+ usatt i
german ttr +250 is Usatt?
Yes i also thougnt the Kiso V from Bty was a good blade for the youngster cause he made a lot of balls with the standard fh,fh,bh Falkenberg all of a suddden,and my setup is quite demanding like Bluestar A1 on Fh and Gkayzer max on Bh.
THat is why he asked if i can make a thread about it,I for myself wanted to see if there is ONE! i dont joke only One place for a Single ply with An handle,cause i only ever got my hands on the BTY Kiso V with An handle.
So 2 flies with one forehand as we say here.
I really like to try some of the blades,i can play flared but dont want to if i spend that much money dor a Blade.
SO was out there looking for the community to help me out,cause there a lot of people here who have bought a lot of blades with hinoki and know way more about it,and we see if he is old enough for the single ply they grow up fast,a one ply is heavy that is also concerning.
But we correct if he makes mistakes and he has the fundamentals already.
And they have an awesome almost clublike setup in the Roof floor,so he can train whenever he wants too,the eveny got the BTy robot too.
ANd there is a reason why @Gozo Aruna only let´s the old Aunties and Uncles get a single Ply.
And i would never have known how to acces the secondary market like Yahoo or Taobaomi would still search on Ebay.
SO Thank you all for the input.
Does anybody know if and where the Homepage from Kokutaku is or who their main distributors is?

 

[Haraold]

Yep. They don't all break. If they did, nobody would use them. You kind of have to hit at the right angle. It does not matter so much how thick the blade is; it is the angle the wood gets hit at since Hinoki plies line up so cleanly. But I am glad yours has withstood the test of time.

But if you were a 13 year old kid and had it in your school bag, in a regular, soft TT racket covering, and shoved the bag into a desk, or left it on a bench for 10 min on your way home from school, and one of your friends accidentally sat on it, or stepped on it, you might wind up with a different result.

Also, it is something that anyone looking to make the purchase of a One Ply Hinoki blade would be good to know. There is nothing that feels as good as a One Ply Hinoki blade. Nothing. But, it is also an expensive blade. And if you are spending that kind of money, it would be worth knowing that the risk of breakage is present.

Any blade can break. But the way a 5 or 7 ply blade will break is very different than the way a 1 ply blade will break.

Yeah i know Carl you said it in more posts and iam aware,he really would get a ALucase or something stable and woulkdn´t be allowed to train in school only in the club or their homeplace,and yes we are veryaware how much this will cost.But also you said there is Nothing that beat the feeling and that is why it is maybe worth it,even if you are unlucky and it breaks very soon,but @Gozo Aruna blade held up,so maybe there is a chance if you be careful with it,that it will last.
And if it breaks maybe you hang the 2 broken pieces on the wall and think at least i got to know how this Blade felt playing.
THe other Aspect is you probably won´t get the same Blade again anyway,but that is the Case with any Blade and their veneers,you can get to 99% maybe but never the same.

 

[Haraold]

Hey Haraold, I was thinking Septear cuz its a good speed. it can go, but its not absurdly fast and the feeling is awesome. It seemed like a great choice for a 13 year old.Ghe price is right, and in house Nittakus are quality. To answer your question, I got my Masamune because I heard a lot about hinoki and was curious how it played. I ended up at a TT shop and they had one for a cheap price. The handle was the best one I ever held, nice thick ST, felt amazing, it had 7.2 mm, so it had all the speed i needed. Afterwards, a friend had a septear and we did some drills and the feeling of it was really nice, I saw how it was a cult blade. Ultimately, though, I prefer my thicker faster blade, because its just more ass away from the table and Im used to it.
I've never seen a thick one ply shakehand in real life, only jpen. 10mm is too thick for most it seems.
By the way, its cool that you're looking out for your friend and his son like that, ur a good guy 🤙

Well i only got my Kiso with An handle on Ebay,there is no shop in my region to test it out and with an handle forget it.
I was lucky as shit to get my Bty KIso V with anatomic handle.otherise i would never had the experience of a hinoki blade at all,except the Rossi Emotion,and that is only one veneer.
Yeah we talked in the other Kiso thread about it,I already think about switching to flared cause it is a nightmare to get an handle,and i can playy all the blades i want to instead of only 20% of all the blades in the world,lol.

 

[Haraold]

Sry spoke German,i just tried to look up on so many Hinoki manufacturers,and found even Armstrong and Prashida for example.
And there are 2 production facilities of Kotaku and Kokutaku?One in Japan and one in China?

 

[carrot468]

Sry spoke German,i just tried to look up on so many Hinoki manufacturers,and found even Armstrong and Prashida for example.
And there are 2 production facilities of Kotaku and Kokutaku?One in Japan and one in China?

Never heard of Kotaku before; seems like a mis-spelling from Kokutaku to me lol. Kokutaku is from Japan.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Yeah i know Carl you said it in more posts and iam aware,he really would get a ALucase or something stable and woulkdn´t be allowed to train in school only in the club or their homeplace,and yes we are veryaware how much this will cost.But also you said there is Nothing that beat the feeling and that is why it is maybe worth it,even if you are unlucky and it breaks very soon,but @Gozo Aruna blade held up,so maybe there is a chance if you be careful with it,that it will last.
And if it breaks maybe you hang the 2 broken pieces on the wall and think at least i got to know how this Blade felt playing.
THe other Aspect is you probably won´t get the same Blade again anyway,but that is the Case with any Blade and their veneers,you can get to 99% maybe but never the same.

As long as you know the risks, it is totally worth it.

 

[Freeclout]

The Nittaku myiabi is on sale at tabletennis11 at the moment. Can't say what it's like as I don't have one ( yet, ordered it today!) 68 euros seems very reasonable though.

 

[Haraold]

Never heard of Kotaku before; seems like a mis-spelling from Kokutaku to me lol. Kokutaku is from Japan.

i seen this on zenmarket (yahoo Auction) some is from a Kotaku
And the others spelled Kokutaku,i somewhere read in another Forum that they are connected or where connected at some point but i didn´t understand it exactly,I think it was theooak Forum and there are also some WHo got their Blade from Kokutaku and other fromMr.Takashima.
But maybe they are just custom orders from kokutaku.
Hinoki Blades are just like rabbit hole

 

[Haraold]

As long as you know the risks, it is totally worth it.

Yeah he definitely won´t get the Blade for school to boast about it,
Weild it like a saber or do something else dumb with it,Hinoki blades are not cheap after all,and as you said break more often,but maybe everybody should know the feeling.
I probably have to go for a Flared or get Lucky and get a Senkoh in Anatomic,i just wrote with spinfactory.de the german reseller for Avalox,if I am luck i will get the AXH Hado if they get it on their next order from them.
They didn´t even know it existed:
I see a lot of options for Paul my Friend´s son,before he goes Full Gozo ARiex Royal for abot 400.-,so maybe if he breaks one or it isn´t his think we can always switch.
I think it is more about giving a Blade to his son which is a QUaity Blade like the Old STiga Allround he still plays after 30 Years cause back then the QC the Veneers etc where of another kind.
Somebody sells an Old BTY Klampar in AN,anybody ever played this modell?
ANd as you said maybe its just about the eperience of a One Ply to have played it once in your lifetime,i was surprised with the BTY Kiso V enough to say it is a good blade still to this Day,but a little slow.
But that can be absorbed with a Faster Rubber etc...
WHat rubbers do you all use on your HInoki blades?i meand the Kiso V has some really trampoline effect itself,so i tried to play it with hard rubbers,to tame that a liitle bit and i have to say it works quite well compared to softer ones.

 

[Haraold]

The Nittaku myiabi is on sale at tabletennis11 at the moment. Can't say what it's like as I don't have one ( yet, ordered it today!) 68 euros seems very reasonable though.

Yeah that sounds like a good deal,lets see what else we can get here,with import and transport we can get a Myabi or a Masamune for almost the same price here,what interested me was the new Juic Neo Galaxy which is already on TT11,but thx for the info.
I think a flared one Ply is really gettable ,maybe not a Ariex cause 400 + shipping is really a hefty price,so it is better to start a bit slower not like a 10.5 mm to start and the Grade S++ Hinoki Gozo has,that i think you can do after you tried a single ply and he gets it on his 18th Birthday instead of a car,lol.
The Darker Blades are also quite interesting,or a Yinhe etc..Flared and STraight should be really good to get.

 

[Haraold]

BTW Sergió from SDC don´t do single Plys,he said the damnd isn´t there sadly,that was a hope wo get a SIngle ply anatomic for myself,or even both.
I already have 2 Spectra Blades from him,but i dunno how a Hinoki Carbon Blade plays,it depends a bit i guess,i just know the Rossi Emotion which is an awesome Blade in my opinion.
I would have probably go with a soft fiber like glass,Diolen or CNF etc cause i want to fell the Hinoki as an Allwood or at least i can´t really imagine a SPectra with pure Hinoki veneers.
But you guys probably have more experience with the Draker,etc carbon hinoki blades.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Yeah that sounds like a good deal,lets see what else we can get here,with import and transport we can get a Myabi or a Masamune for almost the same price here,what interested me was the new Juic Neo Galaxy which is already on TT11,but thx for the info.
I think a flared one Ply is really gettable ,maybe not a Ariex cause 400 + shipping is really a hefty price,so it is better to start a bit slower not like a 10.5 mm to start and the Grade S++ Hinoki Gozo has,that i think you can do after you tried a single ply and he gets it on his 18th Birthday instead of a car,lol.
The Darker Blades are also quite interesting,or a Yinhe etc..Flared and STraight should be really good to get.

Tibhar's H-1-9 is a good entry level one ply hinoki. Below 100 Euro in terms of price.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

WHat rubbers do you all use on your HInoki blades?

You just had to ask don't you? You just had to reignite my EJ demon, haven't you?

Oh well. Now that you asked...

I started to use Gozo Avenger Mark 1 around 2.5 years ago and during this period, I had been EJ'ing a lot of rubber combi on her. Here are my thoughts:

Generally work well with mid soft to medium hardness grippy rubber with tensor / spring-sponge.

Some example of EJ'ing.
1. Rozena on both side - 3.5 stars
2. Tenergy 05 ( FH ) + T05fx ( BH ) - 4 stars
3. T05 ( FH ) + T64fx ( BH ) - 4.5 stars
4. T80 both side - 3 stars
5. T80fx both side - 4 stars
6. ESN 42 degree hardness ( FH ) + soft non-tensor ol'skool grippy rubber ( BH ) - luvin'it and killin'it. Also, the lower price is a extremely plus factor.

The ratings above are just my own anecdotal opinion. It is highly subjective. A man's meat is another's poison. Caveat emptor.

 

[krop]

Where can I buy this Gozo Avenger Mark 1?

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Where can I buy this Gozo Avenger Mark 1?

The answer is found in post #7 of this thread.