Butterfly Zyre 03

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This is a link to an interview with two Butterfly employees who were involved in the development of Zyre 03

You need a subscription to Table Tennis Kingdom to read the full article. Apparently, Butterfly has been working on Zyre 03 since 2020. By using some type of simulation technology, they were able to speed up the development without having to (initially) make prototypes. One of the biggest challenges is to encourage players to actually use the prototype, which is necessary for feedback.
I haven't read the article but Albiss in some ways was conceptually similar so I am not surprised.
 
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Like Finite Element Analysis? I would expect it for them to be using that for a while. Do they specify what kind of simulation are they using?
It's not specified what kind of simulation was used. According to Usui, "the simulator program itself was introduced about 15 years ago, but the hurdles to making it practical were extremely high."
 
says toooooo much choice!!
says toooooo much choice!!
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I played with the Z03 on my BH on Tuesday and got on ok with it, some more adjustment was needed compared to the FH. I didn’t feel ‘overpowered’ by it, faster than the Xiom O8 China and a softer feel. I decided to buy a second sheet with the 2.5mm sponge.
That arrived today and was glued in time for tonight’s coaching session.
During the coaching I play a lot of blocks!! Blocking was surprisingly stable, speed could be controlled, depth as well.
Pushing was good, no problems playing soft cushioned pushes and deeper punchy ones.
BH topspin felt good so did BH drives.
All in all, on an all wood blade Z03 is a very good rubber.
 
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Right now I’m playing with Viscaria — Dignics 05 on the forehand and tenergy 64 on the backhand. I’d like to try for fh Zyre 03, but I’ve heard many people say it’s quite fast. How do you think it would pair with the Nittaku Acoustic blade? Since the Acoustic is a flexible and relatively slow blade, would it balance out the speed and stiffness of Zyre 03 and make a good setup overall?
 
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Arrived today my new Zyre 03 2.5 Black, let's see how it goes: I expect less speed more control & the same spin.
 

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Put Zyre on both sides of a Garaydia ALC. This is likely where the rubber will stay for the long term as I work on optimizing my technique for it. On this blade, it is clearly in my zone and I get good spin. I need to find the right practice to optimize the kaboom shots and the touch shots. Other than my sweaty serve finger, no signs of topsheet wear, it is really insane. I maintain that this is not a rubber for everyone but I admit now it will have more proponents than I initially cared to admit. I suspect the sweetspot for me might be a Harimoto SALC but this rubber is too expensive for trivial experiments. I am going to play with it for the foreseeable future and figure out how to maximize the setup.
 
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My opinion is that the rubber works better with a flex blade than a hard blade.
Flexible and soft are both options in my experience. Anything that increases the ball holding feeling. Flexible will probably give the best result away from the table.if the blade is faster but soft and stiff can give good results closer to the table.
 
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I've had a couple of sessions with Zyre now, 2.5mm, black.

It was too much juice for me on my usual inner-alc blade options (Andro VCI, BTY Innerforce ALC). Was workable on Xiom ZL Pro. Tried it tonight on a Ma Lin Carbon, and that's the best fit for me. I wouldn't want to go any slower on the blade side, and the combination was good for me there.

It's a hard one to describe because it's hard to compare with other rubbers. It has strengths - and where the rubber is good, it's really good. It also has some unusual characteristics.
  • Doesn't feel super-hard, softer than 09c overall.
  • Very linear, predictable in drives but high basic speed.
  • Very strong for countering. Almost auto-pilot levels of ease there. My normal quick counter was like a laser AND seemed to carry oddly high spin. This part was a lot of fun - short spin-blocks were hilariously good.
  • I was worried about opening up against backspin but it's great there.
  • Not much "give" in the short game, and feel is unusual. Have to be active with pushing. Passive play was a complete mess. This is where I struggle the most with it, bear in mind my very average local league level here. If you have a properly developed short game then I don't think you'll have much issue really. The blade changes helped a lot here to make sense of it.
  • I wouldn't want to spend money on trying the 2.7mm out.
  • Fast. I'd have to slow my blade down to use it competitively.
Beyond that - there were a few other oddities. For my stroke, drives were pretty medium-low arc. Then stronger loops would have almost the same arc, but would have very, very high spin and would jump forward off the bounce. Very hard for the opponent to read - the arc didn't give the level of spin away, a bit chinese rubber vibe. But then slower, brushier loops would be fairly high arc (not as high as 09c, but still high). It gave an output that was hard to relate to other rubbers to be honest, pretty unique. I get the comparisons to T05 Hard - I think Zyre is stronger in many areas and easier to use at times.

There were times when I was going loop-loop and I'd be confident and in a flow but the ball would just go 2 feet long sometimes. I think this would need time to get used to when the sponge is fully "on". And sometimes I'd fire a loop drive in that shocked me with the speed and the returned block was faster than I expected. You'd get used to this kind of stuff over time I'm sure.

After 6 hours it still looks new, which is also very impressive.

Edit - just realised this was my 1000th post, and I feel bad for wasting it on a Butterfly rubber ;-)
 
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Got to hit for 20 minutes with Zyre 03, what a impressive rubber. It is Tenergy 05 Hard but with the Dignics feeling. Spin in between dignics 05 and 09c, people and bty say it is more then 09c which could be true but I can't confirm.
It is also quite fast, in between d05 and t05H

Boosted D09c stays
 
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Flexible and soft are both options in my experience. Anything that increases the ball holding feeling. Flexible will probably give the best result away from the table.if the blade is faster but soft and stiff can give good results closer to the table.

Could you explain me how a blade can be soft & stiff?
 
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Anyone that compared both 2.7 and 2.5 can compare the arc? I like Z03 on 2.7 but i dont like the arc or non linearity of it. If 2.5 tames it a little bit it would be awesome.

I will try this week & post here mine feeelings, but I don't have big hopes of difference, I'm only searching a little bit less of speed to control better the rubber without losing spin.
 
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Got to hit for 20 minutes with Zyre 03, what a impressive rubber. It is Tenergy 05 Hard but with the Dignics feeling. Spin in between dignics 05 and 09c, people and bty say it is more then 09c which could be true but I can't confirm.
It is also quite fast, in between d05 and t05H

Boosted D09c stays

Zyre 03 only gives more spin when you really use strong power doing topspin, it's like if you play with Chinese rubber and don't use your body powering from the ground never getting the full potential of Chinese sticky/grippy rubbers.
 
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