Butterfly Zyre 03

[linuques]

RICOsheet? They gotta be joking LOL, good thing US' market is relatively small

Trying to understand why they are marketing a higher arc that lands deeper onto the table as a good thing (vs D05).

Thick, soft sponge should be harder to control, let's wait for the reviews.

 

[Julzig]

Guess I will return with a brand new Rubber in late October. I hope I won't pay more than 80Euros in Japan, a price I would never pay if this wouldn't be so different than anything else on the market.
Can't imagine how unaffordable it'll be in Europe.

Also I wonder how people will choose the sponge thickness.

 

[John_]

Moar
Bettar
Zyre

I don't think I agree that a topsheet that deforms less creates more contact area.
Like on mountain bikes, the tyres are inflated to really low pressures, so they can deform and wrap around the unevenness of the terrain.
If the topsheet deforms more, doesn't it also wrap around the ball more?

On the other hand, if it does indeed deform less on the Zyre, as well as it having much more sponge, that means you should be able to let the ball sink in very deeply into said sponge and deliver some major power. It seems like a super punch rubber to me, unless the thick sponge takes over the task of the otherwise longer pimples and works as a tangential deformation medium.
Either way, it sounds like you need a fast swing to utilize the potential.

Yeah, I don't think it'll be a rubber many will be able to take advantage of.

 

[TTLOVE]

I think they are going to release new rubbers with this technology.
Maybe they will have a semi-tacky top sheet like the Dignics 09C, which will generate even more spin when coupled with a harder sponge.

 

[Tyce]

RICOsheet? They gotta be joking LOL, good thing US' market is relatively small

Trying to understand why they are marketing a higher arc that lands deeper onto the table as a good thing (vs D05).

Thick, soft sponge should be harder to control, let's wait for the reviews.

It's not soft though, it's D09c hardness

 

[linuques]

Moar
Bettar
Zyre

I don't think I agree that a topsheet that deforms less creates more contact area.
Like on mountain bikes, the tyres are inflated to really low pressures, so they can deform and wrap around the unevenness of the terrain.
If the topsheet deforms more, doesn't it also wrap around the ball more?

On the other hand, if it does indeed deform less on the Zyre, as well as it having much more sponge, that means you should be able to let the ball sink in very deeply into said sponge and deliver some major power. It seems like a super punch rubber to me, unless the thick sponge takes over the task of the otherwise longer pimples and works as a tangential deformation medium.
Either way, it sounds like you need a fast swing to utilize the potential.

Yeah, sounds like Mima Ito's ultimate rubber lol
Surprised she's not using it

 

[KY3333]

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www.kokusaitakkyu.com

TTKokusai has begun accepting pre-orders for the ZYRE03. The price is ¥12,870 (€75).

 

[zeio]

ザイア03 「つよさの形を変えていけ。」テクノロジー編
https://youtu.be/lGUrjGFOPGQ?t=46

また シート表面がたわみづらく ボールとの接触面積が増加

(In addition, the sheet surface is less likely to deflect, increasing the contact area with the ball.)

From what I understand, the topsheet (in touch with the ball) "shifts" sideways less because of the shorter pips, therefore more energy of the ball/racket/stroke actually goes into deforming the base sheet itself rather than the pips underneath thus increasing the contact area.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

ザイア03 「つよさの形を変えていけ。」テクノロジー編
https://youtu.be/lGUrjGFOPGQ?t=46

(In addition, the sheet surface is less likely to deflect, increasing the contact area with the ball.)

From what I understand, the topsheet (in touch with the ball) "shifts" sideways less because of the shorter pips, therefore more energy of the ball/racket/stroke actually goes into deforming the base sheet itself rather than the pips underneath thus increasing the contact area.

shorter pips height, thicker sponge, thinner topsheet; sounds like Zyre is a copy cat of version of Andro Rasenter EC and Donic Bluestorm Z series.

Only thing missing, to make Zyre a truly original product is to increase the pips diameter to extra extra large.

 

[SwordBreak]

Will buy it when it release,Im giving in to my dezyre

 

[Tyce]

De-Zyre sounds like a term for pulling a sheet off your blade though

 

[linuques]

Still fuzzy on how Zyre's rubber mechanics translate to a WCQ-beating performance. 😆

Like @zeio noted, topsheet deformation is minimized because of shorter pips.
But where does the extra spin and power come from? The sponge must compress further and release more elastic energy.
Butterfly claims the extra power comes from reduced ball deformation on impact, so the thick sponge will compensate by compressing more.

"The thick sponge reduces energy loss by limiting ball deformation on impact, delivering a more solid and powerful shot."

I'm guessing the rubber will have signicantly less feeling and control compared to D09C, for instance.

Dignicz05

Zyre-03

Source: https://www.butterfly-global.com/en/product/zyre03/

 

[igorponger]

It looks like a composite topsheet. a two layer combination.

 

[ZFT]

If the ball has a higher arc and lands deeper, that doesn’t mean it has more spin. It’s more likely that it’s simply faster or has a higher throw angle, but not actually that much spinnier. Not by the amount it is claimed on their chart vs D05.

Now, if we assume it really does have more topspin along with the higher throw angle that Butterfly claims, then logically it should land at the same depth, or even shorter.

That’s why I’m curious to see how Butterfly might shift the goalposts in their explanation.

To me this sounds like an improvement on Dignics 64 using Bryce Highspeed DNA.

 

[ZFT]

shorter pips height, thicker sponge, thinner topsheet; sounds like Zyre is a copy cat of version of Andro Rasenter EC and Donic Bluestorm Z series.

Only thing missing, to make Zyre a truly original product is to increase the pips diameter to extra extra large.

They could make the sponge thickness uneven at certain points (the sweet spot!) and adjust the length of the pimples underneath so the rubber surface stays flat.

“Sweetspot powered by AI, perfected by Marketing”

 

[igorponger]

©Butterfly ignorant about ITTF rules?

It is a shameful thing that @Tamasu Butterfly proved themself unaware of the preceding resolution by ITTF EQC, -- that a composite topsheet would be always deemed an outlaw construction of rubbers. Take care to refer to the Rule 2.4.3.2

 

[Dr Evil]

Still fuzzy on how Zyre's rubber mechanics translate to a WCQ-beating performance. 😆

Like @zeio noted, topsheet deformation is minimized because of shorter pips.
But where does the extra spin and power come from?

On impact the ball, topsheet, sponge, and blade all compress and then spring back, but some energy is always lost inside those materials. The sponge loses the least energy, so Zyre shifts more of the deformation into the thicker sponge and less into the ball, thinner topsheet, and blade. With fewer losses in the less efficient parts, more energy returns to the ball as outgoing speed and spin.

 

[mamedium]

wow so many scientists and physicists on this forum!

 

[Tyce]

wow so many scientists and physicists on this forum!

You don't need full on science to get an idea or a hypothesis, pseudoscience is enough.

 

[Stywok]

Do we know if it has a tacky Topsheet ?