Butterfly Zyre 03

[merlin el mago]

It's okay. That's not what we are discussing here. That said, you can join the people at the TTD meet up next year and show your skills.

Where and when is the TTD meet?

 

[NextLevel]

Where and when is the TTD meet?

Should be next year in Germany, likely June. Contact @latej and @NDH for info.

 

[latej]

Should be next year in Germany, likely June. Contact @latej and @NDH for info.

@NDH is the man for this one ;-) And either @Dan or @backspacer... I'm just a lucky participant, who speaks too much ;-)

 

[Deep74]

I will try a bit and will give some detailed input to that later or so. My prediction: it will be too fast for my current BH so I most likely wont use it there, I lack the consistency there and every other shot wont land near the table. Or it will harm confidence.

For player who have the technique, are very aggressive on BH and can hit 90-100% time after time, this in theory should be an upgrade.

Did u give a test of it?

 

[merlin el mago]

ERT was the youtuber who popularized the stupid idea that European professionals, many of whom have gone to China to train at different points in their lives, do not use power from the ground. I never said everyone uses "equal" "power from the ground", I said everyone at the professional level uses "power from the ground" or their lower body to play table tennis and that people should stop citing power from the ground as a difference between European and Chinese or Asian table tennis as the professional level. The whole thing is whay I always wince when someone says an Asiam player uses power from the ground and then says a non-Asian player does not. Any player not using power from the ground is not a top level professional TT player no matter what country he is from. There are some real differences in style between European and Chinese TT but power from the ground is not one of them. Definitely not in 2017 to 2025.

So the pros using ALC blades with ZYre 03 are controlling it and you using Zyre 03 with all wood blade are controlling it, but me I an not? OK then. You're on your own there, buddy.

I never said you can't control the Zyre 03 using all wood blades. You said you can't control Zyre 03 using ALC blades....

 

[merlin el mago]

Should be next year in Germany, likely June. Contact @latej and @NDH for info.

Could I ask how old are you & if you are or not handicaped?

 

[copcopee]

Respect king’s Zyre lll

 

[Julzig]

Did u give a test of it?

Very briefly. It did feel surprisingly good on BH in the couple shots I tried there. Later today I will play it on BH mainly and update you after.
Btw I edited one of my posts and gave some early thoughts. More will come once I played enough

 

[merlin el mago]

I'm sorry guys confused terms, associate stiffness with the top ply of the blade in place of the all blade.

 

[NextLevel]

Could I ask how old are you & if you are or not handicaped?

Later 40s, autoimmune arthritis in all joints, especially knees, for over 14 years.

 

[Julzig]

@Deep74 Sorry couldnt test much, have shoulder pain. But I could gather a bit.

I can say flips work great and are very effective since they land very close to the line and are decently fast.
I might actually prefer it on BH because it fits my stroke more. Still my movement goes up to much when its against backspin and you have to go forward. Combined with the high speed that kicks in at a certain point many balls land too far.
With more proper training and adjustments, 2.5mm would be an option someday.

For my level the DO5 is the better option. More dwell, safety and therefore I can control it better.

 

[Deep74]

@Deep74 Sorry couldnt test much, have shoulder pain. But I could gather a bit.

I can say flips work great and are very effective since they land very close to the line and are decently fast.
I might actually prefer it on BH because it fits my stroke more. Still my movement goes up to much when its against backspin and you have to go forward. Combined with the high speed that kicks in at a certain point many balls land too far.
With more proper training and adjustments, 2.5mm would be an option someday.

For my level the DO5 is the better option. More dwell, safety and therefore I can control it better.

Thanks buddy. I might just have to just get one and test on bh in 2.5. I can’t change from h3N on fh as love it so much.

I might have to just get one and put on my spare fzd alc blade so I’m not disrupting my main fzd alc blade set up and that will give me the best comparison.

C how I feel after wkend and if I bother ordering or not lol… I also sometimes have a tendency to go up and overshooting on bh with d05 so eitherzyre is going to overshoot more or force me to play more forward.

 

[merlin el mago]

Later 40s, autoimmune arthritis in all joints, especially knees, for over 14 years.

No battle I'm 26 years older than you, I'm handicaped with a prosthesis of left knee.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Spoiler: Fulfilled my deZyre'd!

NB: Gman is now officially part of the Zyre-Bro(tm) bruhderhood!

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Zyre03 goes on my Butterfly Falcima. FH z03 x BH t05h. Ultimate masochist set-up. Gman will be in a world of pain....

 

[gettrained]

Can somebody compare the top sheet of the zyre with the one of Double Extra 20?

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Spoiler: Fulfilled my deZyre'd!

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NB: Gman is now officially part of the Zyre-Bro(tm) bruhderhood!

Today is Gman’s inaugural Zyre testing day.
I have it on my Falcima ( modern and noob friendly Butterfly’s five ply all wood ) with T05H on the other side. Gman played both on FH with a rebounding board for one and half hour to get the feel.
Z03 and T05H could not be more different than each other.
1. Z03 has that familiar trampolinish effect that Gman is used to, hence it feels like home
2. Plays more like Dignics 05 which Gman has already built muscle memory.
3. Z03 throw angel is higher than T05H.
4.T05H has lower throw angel and it is harder to make the ball go, that is, much more power needed. Its sponge help less compared to Z03.
5. T05H need to fully swing with no room for half-arsed stroke. This I hate. Gman loves half-arse lazy swing, where equipment does 50% of the work for him.
——— fin ———-

 

[FH_Project]

I’ve tried this rubber(2.5mm on FH) on two blades so far: an older TB ALC on last week and an OSP V+ on this week.

On the TB ALC, the rubber felt extremely fast, explosive, zero to non dwell time. Many points ended immediately, either I missed long or I hit a winner. Serves were very heavy, and my clubmate (more drive, less loop player) struggled a lot to open long backspin serves. Opening up backspin was easy if I used thin, tangential contact. As soon as I went a bit flatter and used more sponge, the ball flew very flat and long. It really needs to be played with a brushy contact to keep the ball on the table. I lost the games on 5th set. I was never in control...

On the V+, the rubber became much more playable. The dwell time felt longer, and it was much easier to control the ball(pace, placement and arc), load it with spin and still generate good power. Even though it is more controllable, the arc is crazy high on brushy loops. I needed engaging sponge more to reduce arc. I cannot say I have been successful with engaging sponge. However, I could play longer rallies, including open up long backspins with a reasonable success rate, and even from mid-distance I could rally with a 5-ply wood blade. Finishing the point was still possible, but with more stability than on the carbon blade. Everything was great during the games where I put in effort and focused. My shots became ineffective as the time I started to get tired. I started to hit much agressively and missed the table or couldn't even put pressure to opponent. Exhaustion built up quicker with it then my normal setup Treiber FI - Inferno - D08.

In the short game and receive, I noticed that my returns against empty/no-spin serves were inconsistent if I didn’t flip. Whenever I didn’t brush enough, the ball tended to pop up while pushing. On passive flat touches, the rubber feels quite springy, and it’s hard to keep the ball short, especially when contacting late.

For the opponent, who hasn't never played against Z03 yet, bounce is quite deceptive: they often struggled with the strong kick after the bounce and I was able to put more backspin or sidespin during returns than what they expected. Flips and active brushes against non-backspin or half-long dead balls are very effective. Closing the angle and brushing sends the ball out with surprising speed compared to the effort you put in.

Overall, as written before, Z03 rewards active, committed strokes much more than “half-hearted” topspins you might play safely with Tenergy or Dignics. On slower, all-wood blades it feels significantly more controllable than on carbon, but it still demands good technique.

I should still train playing sponge engaged topspins in order not to miss the table... Plus, the short touches...

 

[NextLevel]

Kanak....

 

[exotick]

Kanak saying Zyre is too fast for his bh says alot..but then goes to say it’s viable for advanced players.. alright then.