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Right all is possible like if I use my long pips to attack, I could attack? yes, it's effective: no...

What's wrong is not to use the blades or rubbers for what are designed so it's not natural.

Other example: one of my main strong weapons is the short serve, why on earth I will use anti, long pips or short pips to serve...

It's foolish to use wrong the equipment if you want really to improve.
 
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Right all is possible like if I use my long pips to attack, I could attack? yes, it's effective: no...
we are not talking about LP, and attacking with LP can be very effective. Although looping with LP isn’t an option. You seem to have a one dimensional comprehension of what an ‘attack’ is.
 
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If you don't understand an example you have to be more smart.

I know perfectly how can attack with LP and how can or not can't use the LP. Depend the level of the other player attack with LP is useless....

It seems you don't know how can use inverted rubbers or you are playing against low level players that don't smash or counter the high & slow topspin...
 
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If you don't understand an example you have to be more smart.

I know perfectly how can attack with LP and how can or not can't use the LP. Depend the level of the other player attack with LP is useless....

It seems you don't know how can use inverted rubbers or you are playing against low level players that don't smash or counter the high & slow topspin...
I know how to use inverted rubbers, I do play against players that can counter slow spinny topspins, then you don’t play that shot against them.
I agree that you have to be more smart.
 
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I give you the smart answer: the real thing is that you with Zyre 03 can't do the same low arc spinny strong topspin quality like using H3 boosted because the speed & grip of Zyre 03 simply doesn't allows you to do it.

Be smart it's to use to get the maximum of equipment to benefit your skills!
 
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I've been playing with Zyre03 2.5 on my forehand last 2 weeks. And I have my opinion here too.

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Just for reference, I’m an experienced amateur player who returned to table tennis after a 25-year break from my “semi-pro competition” days when I was young (from age 8 to 13). I’ve now been playing again for almost two years, training 3–4 times a week, usually two hours per session. Currently, my USATT rating is 2027 and my league rating is 2087.


Initially, I started with a Primorac Carbon paired with H3 Neo 41 on the FH and N3 Neo 37 on the BH. I liked sticky rubbers a lot, but my lack of BH technique didn’t give me enough confidence with H3, so I switched to D05 to focus more on punches and drives instead of proper looping. I definitely lost control on the BH because the Primorac Carbon is extremely fast, though it’s very good for active blocking.


After playing three months with the Primorac, I decided to move to a “slower” Timo Boll ALC with D05 on both sides. While the BH felt good, I didn’t like D05 on the FH at all. Opening against heavy backspin with D05 was very inconsistent — the ball didn’t grip long enough. I tried Rakza Z Extra Hard on the Timo Boll as well. The opening improved, but there was a lack of power and poor spin-to-speed ratio in the follow-up shots. Then I switched to D09c on the FH with the Timo Boll — much better than Rakza Z, but I still lacked power at longer distances given my current physical condition. I couldn’t generate enough power for high-quality counterloops from far range.


After all these experiences with the Primorac Carbon and Timo Boll, I switched to a Cybershape with Stiga rubbers (Platinum XH on both sides at first, then Hybrid XH on the FH). I loved this setup because it helped me fix my BH opening. I also improved my BH loops and added the banana flick to my skillset. The Hybrid rubber gave me confidence when opening against heavy backspin and provided strong counterlooping power from mid- to far distance. The setup felt like a boosted version of Timo Boll ALC with D09c, but with less vibration and a more direct arc. I played with this setup for a full year.


Now, I’ve returned to the Timo Boll ALC for testing, still using D05 on the BH, which works perfectly for me. On the FH, I switched to Zyre03 2.5. And you know what? I like it.


Opening against heavy backspin is solid — the rubber is very grippy, with no issues at all. It feels much better than other “bouncy” rubbers. It’s not as easy as D09c, but it provides enough dwell time to open against almost any ball. Counterlooping is where Zyre03 really shines. I can activate the full power of the sponge with compact strokes, and rallies from mid- and far distance are not a problem. The rubber is very easy to engage.


I also tried Zyre03 on my BH but didn’t like it — the sponge feels too hard for my current BH technique.


There are some downsides. The short game is challenging. Short serves are manageable, but it depends heavily on brushing quality. I adapted my service technique from hybrid rubbers to Zyre03 within a few days.


Overall, it’s still a very good all-around rubber. I would recommend that anyone at least try it. Don’t rely solely on others’ opinions — you need your own experience to evaluate a rubber properly.


P.S. Most high-rated players and coaches don’t like this rubber, but they all use sticky/tacky rubbers like H3 or D09c, so I understand their perspective.
P.P.S. Based on the last 2 years of experiences I found Primorac Carbon with D09c is the best combination for FH I ever experience in my life, but TimoBall ALC with D05 is the best combo for BH for me. But unfortunately, I still can't find an ideal setup all around, that's why maybe Cybershape was like a great balanced setup for me for a year.
 
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Anyone transition from Hurricane 3 to Zyre-03 and what is your experience with it?
i tried it for 5 minutes on my club mate's viscaria. didnt like it. doesn't have the slingshot feeling that i love about hurricane. the ball POPs off the rubber and even makes a POPPING noise. it wasn't bad, but just not for me.
 
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Anyone transition from Hurricane 3 to Zyre-03 and what is your experience with it?
Loved it so much. Can play my flicks and brush loops no problem. Serves are still spinny but a bit less easy to place. blocking is easier aggressively but harder defensively. Easier to chop with when out of position
 
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I'm interested in the rumored durability of Zyre so let's see how long this lasts, since my j1's didn't last very long.

Started using Zyre on 2026-01-06.
The black forehand topsheet already looks a bit worn out. The red backhand still looks good fine.
I hit way harder on forehand, and recently I have been using forehand more (I'm a penholder).
And I play about 3 times per week.

Just serving backspin with Spinsight shows the difference between my black and red sides.
Black 58 rps compared to Red 62 rps.

I didn't get to check topspins, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went from like 140 to 135.

I bought a new pair of Zyres from a friend at the Japanese price, which I immediately sold one to 42andbackpains and profited :)

I'm not really sure how bad I'll let the Zyres get.
Maybe if my forehand topspin struggles to get past 130, I'll post again so everyone knows how quickly Zyre deteriorates.


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I was a little disappointed that it has only been a little over 1 month. But I'm not too surprised either.
The old coach Liu Huiyuan at NYISC told me pros change rubbers every 10 playing sessions (or fewer).
I'm not a pro, but I can see why.
 
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Started using Zyre on 2026-01-06.
The black forehand topsheet already looks a bit worn out. The red backhand still looks good fine.
I hit way harder on forehand, and recently I have been using forehand more (I'm a penholder).
And I play about 3 times per week.

Just serving backspin with Spinsight shows the difference between my black and red sides.
Black 58 rps compared to Red 62 rps.

I didn't get to check topspins, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went from like 140 to 135.

I bought a new pair of Zyres from a friend at the Japanese price, which I immediately sold one to 42andbackpains and profited :)

I'm not really sure how bad I'll let the Zyres get.
Maybe if my forehand topspin struggles to get past 130, I'll post again so everyone knows how quickly Zyre deteriorates.


EDIT:
I was a little disappointed that it has only been a little over 1 month. But I'm not too surprised either.
The old coach Liu Huiyuan at NYISC told me pros change rubbers every 10 playing sessions (or fewer).
I'm not a pro, but I can see why.
How is @42andbackpains? Hope he is doing well. And how long do your typical rubbers last? Looking worn is one thing but absent of data, would you have noticed the 4 rps or whatever in your play? Even with the cell ball, everyone knew Tenergy played differently after the first 3 weeks, but the flat line after that for some people led to used sheets being passed on to other players even as old as a year. Obviously, there was degradation but how much it affected play depended on what point in the cycle you used the rubber in typically.
 
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How is @42andbackpains? Hope he is doing well. And how long do your typical rubbers last? Looking worn is one thing but absent of data, would you have noticed the 4 rps or whatever in your play? Even with the cell ball, everyone knew Tenergy played differently after the first 3 weeks, but the flat line after that for some people led to used sheets being passed on to other players even as old as a year. Obviously, there was degradation but how much it affected play depended on what point in the cycle you used the rubber in typically.

He visits NYISC quite often (he's chosen the club as his semi-retirement location of choice).
On average I see him once a week.
He's balancing his practice and his health. He wants some exercise without hurting himself.

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Honestly, I've been noticing my rubbers dip in performance after about a month.
You make a good point about the flatline after that.
I'll have to see how long this flatline lasts.

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I can notice the performance because my opponent's are returning the ball more often lol.
I notice when I have brand new rubbers, my opponents barely return anything.
This is in matchplay.
 
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I thought I found my forever BH rubber in Dignic05; then Zyre03 was born.
I thought Zyre03 2.5mm is my forever fh rubber, until I tried the 2.7mm.
Now I am a contented man…

NB: Every stroke just seems faster; well for the opponent that is. To me, it is still the same, maybe it is the effect of time dilation. As speed increases, time seems to slow down.
 
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After spending 3 months with Zyre03 and TB ALC, hundreds of hours practicing, my conclusion - great rubber, but very sensitive to humidity (as probably many non-hybrid or non-tacky rubbers). The problem is becoming worse, when our hall is getting more that 70% humidity and many balls just go to the net without hitting all the balls harder or flat.
Switched back to Cybershape with a new Helix XH on FH, found way easier to play in high-humidity condtions due to the blade is easier to hit balls at least flat when it's needed.
And overall Helix gives you a bit more control, which means easier to service and push short.

p.s. if your environment doesn't have high humidity, Zyre is a right choice, if not - keep in mind my conclusion.
 
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