Carbon/Composite Blade with an All Wood Feel

[skyphantom]

I am looking for a blade that is carbon/composite with a feel of an all wood blade (stiga clipper or stiga infinity vps)

Recommendations are open. Thank you

 

[Shifu]

You should check out inner carbon blades. Acoustic Inner Carbon, Innerforce Layer ALC etc.

 

[NextLevel]

I am looking for a blade that is carbon/composite with a feel of an all wood blade (stiga clipper or stiga infinity vps)

Recommendations are open. Thank you

You are asking for magic. That said, some of the slower carbon blades with innerforce/soft carbon design may come closer to what you are looking for. To me though, the point of carbon is to create stiffness and speed, so you don't get the true feeling of carbon without the stiffness that is partly coming from the blade having carbon and which reduces the all wood feel.

 

[longle]

I think the closest one would be Stiga Dynasty carbon, since its carbon layer is extremely thin, you will get the all wood feel doing light strokes close to table. Only when you hit hard from middle to far from table, the carbon layer will be activated

 

[Equaaz]

I am looking for a blade that is carbon/composite with a feel of an all wood blade (stiga clipper or stiga infinity vps)

Recommendations are open. Thank you

New Joola Tezzo Paladin
All+ / Off- blade, very flexible and the carbone is very discreet.
Ma lin soft carbone is a good candidate too.

 

[Charbel]

I am looking for a blade that is carbon/composite with a feel of an all wood blade (stiga clipper or stiga infinity vps)

Recommendations are open. Thank you

Off/Off+ : Donic Waldner Senso Ultra Carbon
All+/Off- : Donic Waldner Senso Carbon

 

[thomas.pong]

Cheaper: Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon or Soft Carbon

$150-$200: Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Inner, Butterfly Innerforce ZLC

Perfection but very pricey: DHS W968 National

 

[BobFL]

Joola Aruna OFF
Truly a masterpiece.

 

[Kolev]

Innerforce ALC

 

[lodro]

try one of those:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002570685680.html?gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt

 

[Kolev]

try one of those:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002570685680.html?gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt

How does it play? Whatever I've tried from XVT blades was a nice surprise, but I've never seen their copies...

 

[lodro]

How does it play? Whatever I've tried from XVT blades was a nice surprise, but I've never seen their copies...

I had a long play with one that had boosted H3 on both sides and I liked it a lot. I am not a reviewer but I liked this one better than my Innerforce butterfly AC.
Good for close to the table game but strong enough power and speed for smashes a few feet away from the table.
Maybe something like an allround+ or attack/soft ????

P.S. I don't think XVT has its own factory. Some blades do have XVT labels on them, this one does not. Quality is surprisingly good for this money, like all the blades I had from them.

 

[Mionixxd]

I am looking for a blade that is carbon/composite with a feel of an all wood blade (stiga clipper or stiga infinity vps)

Recommendations are open. Thank you

Maybe a ma lin soft carbon will do?

 

[chrisjor19]

Ma lin soft carbons

Maybe a ma lin soft carbon will do?

They are too soft
I actually love xiom blades and bty blades
for bty try innerforce alc or harimoto alc
for xiom u can get xiom 36.5ALXi or AJH TMXi
since they come in with limba outermost layers
they will serve you with all wood feel close to the table
plus, they are not that bouncy and give you enormous dwell

 

[Dan2200]

You can try Stiga Xuxin Dynasty. regular or xuxin edition version. Both has a very thin Carbon layer. Very much woody feel until you power thru from middle table.

 

[Wakkibatty]

As an alternative to all the above, perhaps consider a blade made with natural composite fibers. They are hard to find commercially, but they do deliver the playing feel you are looking for. They have slightly greater lateral / torsional stiffness than a typical 5-ply to 7-ply all-wood blade, but still typically retain the softer playing feel (though this is just a guideline not a rule... Really it depends on the outer ply you use as well).

The first mass-produced natural composite blade that comes to mind is the Andro Flaxonite ( it came in two models- Driver or Cruiser). It was a great blade that used flax fabric rather than carbon / alc / kevlar / fiberglass etc, and like all natural fabric composites it offered a feel somewhere in-between all-wood and synthetic fiber composite blades. Andro sadly discontinued their Flaxonite range a couple of years back, but there are still some unsold new blades floating about in the shelf stock at various TT retailers (blades have a long shelf life -they can literally hang about in a retailer's unsold stock for years).

Failing that (and forgive me for any glaringly obvious self interest here) I have made natural composite blades myself several times before, examples of which can be found on the photo gallery page of my website. (PM me for a link)

In all fairness, natural composite fiber blades really aren't that difficult to make - any competent bladesmith / custom blade maker who can make a regular synthetic composite fiber blade, should also be able to produce a natural fiber version for you.

As for what type of fiber to use, any of the common bast fibers should do the job okay (ie: cotton, flax, linen, jute, sisal, etc.) IIRC I also heard talk somewhere of some other natural composite fabric blades being produced by one (or some) of the smaller Japanese TT blade houses (I think one of them was Darker?) ...which I understand were using natural fiber composite layers reinforced with a nanocellulose-doped biodegradable resin. These should also (in theory at least) provide that 'in-between' playing feel you are looking for.

 

[skyphantom]

New Joola Tezzo Paladin
All+ / Off- blade, very flexible and the carbone is very discreet.
Ma lin soft carbone is a good candidate too.

I am thorn if I will go with your Joola blade suggestion or the most suggested blade in this post. 🤣

 

[skyphantom]

As an alternative to all the above, perhaps consider a blade made with natural composite fibers. They are hard to find commercially, but they do deliver the playing feel you are looking for. They have slightly greater lateral / torsional stiffness than a typical 5-ply to 7-ply all-wood blade, but still typically retain the softer playing feel (though this is just a guideline not a rule... Really it depends on the outer ply you use as well).

The first mass-produced natural composite blade that comes to mind is the Andro Flaxonite ( it came in two models- Driver or Cruiser). It was a great blade that used flax fabric rather than carbon / alc / kevlar / fiberglass etc, and like all natural fabric composites it offered a feel somewhere in-between all-wood and synthetic fiber composite blades. Andro sadly discontinued their Flaxonite range a couple of years back, but there are still some unsold new blades floating about in the shelf stock at various TT retailers (blades have a long shelf life -they can literally hang about in a retailer's unsold stock for years).

Failing that (and forgive me for any glaringly obvious self interest here) I have made natural composite blades myself several times before, examples of which can be found on the photo gallery page of my website. (PM me for a link)

In all fairness, natural composite fiber blades really aren't that difficult to make - any competent bladesmith / custom blade maker who can make a regular synthetic composite fiber blade, should also be able to produce a natural fiber version for you.

As for what type of fiber to use, any of the common bast fibers should do the job okay (ie: cotton, flax, linen, jute, sisal, etc.) IIRC I also heard talk somewhere of some other natural composite fabric blades being produced by one (or some) of the smaller Japanese TT blade houses (I think one of them was Darker?) ...which I understand were using natural fiber composite layers reinforced with a nanocellulose-doped biodegradable resin. These should also (in theory at least) provide that 'in-between' playing feel you are looking for.

Wow. That is something to consider.

 

[Wakkibatty]

Wow. That is something to consider.

Natural composite fibers are woefully under-represented amongst TT blades... unfairly so, as the mechanical strength-to-weight properties of natural fiber composites is impressive.

Natural composite fiber panels have been used in car manufacture for example since 2010. Ford, Volvo and Mercedes Benz being just a few examples of marques using natural fiber composite panels commercially in vehicle production, as the weight saving is considerable. These panels have the same effective tensile / flexural strength as regular GRP, but can be up to 30% lighter or more, depending on the type of fiber used.

 

[WingTT]

Check out the DHS Hurricane Long 5. If you get a good one, at the low end speed it is like a 5 ply wood, controllable over the table, then when you hit it hard (matched with H3 Neo or similar) some magic happens, it feels like a catapult and the ball gets fast, spinny and telekinetically lands where you want it to.