Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[OldschoolPenholder]

I feel that would be just as fun as the skinny dude winning heavyweight fighting =]

LOL

Good luck bro!

 

[Archosaurus]

I would not know because I don't really play SH. Do you play PH RBH too? I was chatting with the top penhold player at unigames, and he tells me that he still feels inferior when he plays backhand to backhand against SH players of similar levels.

If screwing around with RPB counts...


No, I'm a shakehander. I can only play RPB/TPB against quite lower players and even then my block is bad. However I've done some work to learn an elementary RPB because I like it. The only reason I don't play penhold is lack of coaching.

However I feel that the RPB flick is much easier to perform well than the shakehand backhand flick. Maybe something to do with the position the bat is in the backswing, because the forward swing feels much better.

Otherwise RPB feels weaker than the shakehand backhand, although it's much more fun!

 

[JeffM]

LOL yes ... BUT ... i tried weds night and was hitting all over lol... many advise having a coach properly teach it ... so for now, it's in the back of my mind ... the other thing in the back of my pea brain is switching to short pips LOL

Having a coach always helps when learning a new technique! That minimizes alot of unnecessary injuries as well! But trying some shadow strokes first may help, and hitting slowly helps too. Sometimes you can imagine how a shakehander plays his backhand, and then hold the penhold grip and in your mind, try do the same with the rubber on the back.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

Having a coach always helps when learning a new technique! That minimizes alot of unnecessary injuries as well! But trying some shadow strokes first may help, and hitting slowly helps too. Sometimes you can imagine how a shakehander plays his backhand, and then hold the penhold grip and in your mind, try do the same with the rubber on the back.

One huge adjustment is the grip/finger placement (middle, ring, pinky) ... I think i grip the traditional PH grip, that is with my 3 fingers curled somewhat on the back ... not used to the uncurled position. I grip untraditionally on the front though, instead of handle in web of hand between index finger and thumb, i have handle more on towards my index finger knuckle. For me, this facilitates my punches and bh blocks.

For now, i'll mess around with it. The RPB will give me an extra tool but my game will change a lot if i embrace the modern ph style. Also in the back of my mind is to go the Liu Guo-liang path with pips FH and smooth back.

 

[Boogar]

Hah, that's a great one.




I didn't get to play at all today, so I just did a few hours of serves and self hitting.

My timing was all whack. Can't get any whip into anything and everything wants to move all at the same time. Couldn't do heavy serves nor could I do any shots with even half decent spin. Just one of those days.

So I thought, okay, whatever, my muscles are starting to ache from trying to make something happen, so I'll just serve "heavy light" serves because you can achieve those without a ton of whip. The kind that are heavy enough to get netted but not heavy enough to really move back into the net with any good speed.

Did probably 2.5 hours of those and light pendulum. Just grooving it in. It went fairly well, they were low at least.

Next step is to get those heavy serves consistent even if I get waken up in the middle of the night and told to do a few!

2.5 hours only light serves? Woot :O Your serves gotta be Ma lin level!

 

[Archosaurus]

2.5 hours only light serves? Woot :O Your serves gotta be Ma lin level!

I wish. Ma Lin can serve heavy spin with an ice block.


Although, for the past half year or so when I've been really doing hours of serve practice nearly everyday, my serves have improved a lot. I can't even imagine how some people don't really practice serves at all outside matches.

 

[Boogar]

I wish. Ma Lin can serve heavy spin with an ice block.

You used the same sentences for Liu Guoliang. I think even somewhere in the beginnings of this thread.

 

[Archosaurus]

You used the same sentences for Liu Guoliang. I think even somewhere in the beginnings of this thread.

Well, it's true, isn't it?

LGL can get easily 4x or more the spin I can get, with pips! It's quite insane actually, if you've ever seen video or seen in person a professional's serve spinning in a basket or a cup or something.

 

[Boogar]

Well, it's true, isn't it?

LGL can get easily 4x or more the spin I can get, with pips! It's quite insane actually, if you've ever seen video or seen in person a professional's serve spinning in a basket or a cup or something.

It is. However with the right technique pips player can generate almost the same kind of spin. See the pdf posted in the Biomechanic thread.

 

[Archosaurus]

It is. However with the right technique pips player can generate almost the same kind of spin. See the pdf posted in the Biomechanic thread.

Some time ago, NL posted about Brett Clarke hearing a player talk about equipment when serving, and Brett went and served backspin with his bare hand and it came back heavy and into the net.

That opened my eyes a bit about what's important in generating spin.

 

[Boogar]

Some time ago, NL posted about Brett Clarke hearing a player talk about equipment when serving, and Brett went and served backspin with his bare hand and it came back heavy and into the net.

That opened my eyes a bit about what's important in generating spin.

haha you just spoke out of my mind. I just wanted to post this exact quote!

 

[Boogar]

Btw does somebody know where the World cup can be watched?

 

[NextLevel]

 

[Xylit]

Watching NL's and TTEdge's videos about pendulum and reverse pendulum serve, I have tried to improve those two serves of mine in a two hour training session yesterday. I've spent 40 minutes only serving these two serves. I must admit, with my elbow much higher than I was used to, I can generate a lot more spin with my pendulum serve as before. After the tenth serve or so there was an improvement in amount of spin compared to what I have done the last years. That was amazing!

As for the reverse pendulum serve, I was quite satisfied with it over the last years, however, it was never close to being as good as a very good player could serve reverse pendulum (my USATT rating would be >2000). With the videos provided here I know my faults now and tried to improve this serve yesterday as well. It did not work out well at all I just can't end my motion directed to my opponent instead of to the side. Changing that will be hard, I have to somehow erase my years old automatism. However, with the improved movement it was easier to serve reverse pendulum parallel into the wide forehand. At least one sense of achievement, although still far away from where I want my reverse pendulum quality to be. I'll keep trying! My goal is to have a much better reverse pendulum serve as before by the new season's start, that is September 2017. Enough time!

 

[Suga D]

Hey OSPH, have you seen this here already?
could this be helpful?

http://sandiway.blogspot.de/2016/01/table-tennis-reverse-penhold-backhand.html

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

Hey OSPH, have you seen this here already?
could this be helpful?

http://sandiway.blogspot.de/2016/01/table-tennis-reverse-penhold-backhand.html

I haven't before and just finished reading/watching

Thank you! That was great!

Sandiway has a point ... starting as an oldschool ph, my muscle memory for the punch has been internalized deeply. It may be safe to say my whole game revolves around my punch (push-block).

However, I will not try out the modern ph style in earnest UNTIL I feel I got some semblance of my old form/game back... I'm so inconsistent with my strokes/game even after a year of 1x minimum to maximum 3x a week of play

Thank you for the link again Suga D!!

 

[Shuki]

Edit: what table tennis balls are good value?

Nittaku premium is actually good value. They're more expensive but the quality holds up so they end up costing less in the long run



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[JMC]

The xushafa (spelling?) balls are pretty good as well. The only ones I truly hate are the Joola balls.

 

[Archosaurus]

Today I lost more than I won; got totally blocked off the table by one of the better players here. He wiped the floor with just about everyone. It was a combination of us playing bad and him playing very well. At least he couldn't block my opening loops.


Found out some things which allow me to generate quite a bit more spin, but who knows how long they will take to really transfer into my game.

I can sometimes snap my elbow, twist my hips or push off my legs with much better timing and make much more spin, but I can't do them all right at the same time!

At least one consistent thing I can do to raise my quality is to push with my legs more when doing backhands: it's fairly reliable in increasing my quality. Just need the timing to really tap into all that potential.

I guess this is what Carl was talking about when he was talking about "pop".

 

[NextLevel]

I didn't record much of my play in NY at first and recorded more later. I basically sucked. I played a smasher twice and got my butt handed to me. Played a guy who hadn't played in 4 months and got worse and worse till the point he finally won a match while he got better. I played OSPH and since I managed to attack his serves, it made the match relatively easy. Played DerEchte then got my butt handed to me too. Then I tricked him into playing a bit longer and he fell for it. Then I managed to attack and block down his tired butt. Wasn't easy and I paid (threatened) the kids in the background to get louder so they could take him off his game. Then I played a 2200 penholder who I used to play at my club - I couldn't handle his serves and twiddling then and I still can't now.

This was my best match of the day - for the bad ones, you can look at the play list .

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1xHYZmEaJtS9ipu3mOa3Sk7mSPQk7K-O