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Today I played with my lefty penhold friend for the final time. (yes I have mentioned its the final time a couple of times, but it is because we both think it is due to our busy schedules, but our love for tt is too great, so we keep making time for it, but trust me, this is the final one as I'm flying back home soon).

Since it is our last time playing, I booked 2 hours instead of 1 hour, so we can have more time to practice other stuff afterwards. After warming up, he suggested that we play a best of 7 instead of 5, as he watched the Finals of Aus Open where Federer won, and that reminded him that usually finals are played to best of 7. I complied as we have plenty of time.

I had a good start, taking 1st set 11-3. Then I was leading 2nd set 7-0, but somehow only managed to win by 11-9 as he made some incredible comeback. I took the 3rd set 14-12, but lost the 4th set 11-4. In the final set, I took it 11-8, with the last point being a net from my loop that bounced 3 times on his side before leaving the end edge. I had a lot of lucky balls (edge balls, nets) throughout the match, and I felt a bit bad for him. But he said I had great touch of the ball today, and he said my fade hit and loop (i.e. where I dorsi-flex my wrist at the last moment of contact while playing a fh so the motion looks like im playing a diagonal shot but the ball goes down the line) was good, especially against lefties as they are more likely to stand on their backhand side (i.e. the diagonal side). Now that I'm home, I thought it was funny, because before I play the game, I didn't watch Carl's video of his forehand fade video, but he mentioned it to me that I was using it today and it worked well.

After the match, we continued to practice looping balls off backspin as well as for the other player to block or maintain the ball on the table. It wasn't easy for us, but something clicked for him. Then in a subsequent match (best of 3), he basically smashes through my high-ish spinny loops off backspin. He seem to have suddenly grasp the idea of how to do so, and it was actually amazing to see the change, as I loop then I watch as the ball flies back so fast back on to my side and I was then on the defense (if I am even able to save it).

He also made a change to his receive, as he is finding it very hard to receive my serves with inverted. He changed to the medium pips, forcing a loop from me as a 3rd ball, but I wasn't fit at that time to make strong enough attacks, so he just smashes all the 4th balls. It worked surprisingly well for him. This means that next time I play with him in 10 month's time, I will have to figure something out to counter that strategy, or improve my loop dramatically so that it can be super spiny with consistency to avoid them being smashed back.
 
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Two things:

1. I notice that your service needs a little more work. More variation. I like serving long topspin to the pips too, so I understand why you do it, but you will definitely get more mistakes if you varied, like short to the forehand.

2. You started playing more defensively, ESPECIALLY later in the match. Too many pushes and weak shots. I see a lot more backhands from you later in the match.
You won the first game by being more aggressive. You shouldn't have changed that strategy. You ended up losing the next three games.

In the last game, the chopper got to 10-10 deuce by attacking. You should not have let him.

It's okay to push sometimes, but this is too often.


EDIT: one more thing, you have to work on looping serves on your backhand side :p

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On the side note:

What I don't understand is why people think pushing is safe against chops. For me, a slow spinny loop is the safest option. Pushing a chop is harder than looping it, at least to me.

What do you guys think?

yes i agree i play better when i play more agressively. I think in the 2nd, i was maybe wrongly overconfident, and then turned to lacking confidence. Maybe i was tired a bit as well (i'm not young anymore alas) so wanted to calm down. But it was way too much. I have to be able to keep it up. Else i let the opponent come back in the match.

Me failing to loop BH on receive is a good barometer of my nervousness. I can do it, even quite consistently normally. I was way too tense.
 
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Hi Everyone :)

As mentioned last week, I had the C.I. top 12 tournament this weekend and finished joint 4th (5th on count back :( )

I beat the 4 standard right handed players 3-0, 3-0, 3-0 and 3-1, but lost 3-0, 3-0 to the left hander and the pimples player.

I really need to work on adjusting to different styles, its just so hard when there are so few to practice against :(

Unfortunately we had 1 person filming 6 tables at a time, so there is very little footage of me playing to show, sorry!

I have some more footage of a practice match, so I'll dig that out later and post it on here :)
 
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Hi Everyone :)

As mentioned last week, I had the C.I. top 12 tournament this weekend and finished joint 4th (5th on count back :( )

I beat the 4 standard right handed players 3-0, 3-0, 3-0 and 3-1, but lost 3-0, 3-0 to the left hander and the pimples player.

I really need to work on adjusting to different styles, its just so hard when there are so few to practice against :(

Unfortunately we had 1 person filming 6 tables at a time, so there is very little footage of me playing to show, sorry!

I have some more footage of a practice match, so I'll dig that out later and post it on here :)

Sometimes, you have to bite the bullet, see what rubbers the other guy is using, buy your own sheet and see what it does. You may have tried that already but just a reminder.

For the lefty, you might try playing the TTEdge app. The serves at the very least might be helpful.
 
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Went to the ping-pong world championships over the weekend and just got back home, thought I'd share a few pictures. Amazing experience and lucky that we got free tickets as the head of our club the woman on the left in the 7th picture (my team mate on the right) raises money for cancer research.

Had a great time with all of the people from our club that went. Had to include the picture of the phone on the floor, a fake phone which we superglued to the floor and when people tried to pick it up they had to put money in the pot, was good entertainment between the games ;).

Got to have a little chat with Eli, Filip Szymanski and quickly snapped a picture with Dan himself, would've liked to have had more of a chat with him and others but was difficult finding the chance to. Dan was very busy and doing a great job running around and covering the whole event!

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I feel like this is a symptom of players who only practice driving and looping the ball all day without playing games.
I've seen players that train all day without developing a great serve (also service return).

If you find players that have no formal training whatsoever that are around 2000, I can almost guarantee that they'll have a good serve, probably because they play games all day and rely on their serve. I used to be one of them. A whole lot of penholders in Flushing are like this.

This is partly true but I think a huge part of it is also that lots of popular TT instruction focuses on looping and very little focuses on serving. The hours spent matter but if you don't have someone to guide you on what you are trying to do, it can be frustrating or you can just be putting in hours without seeing any results and not be sure what you do next.

Ever since I understood what to do, I can literally improve someone's serve pretty fast if they are open to instruction and willing to put in some time. I may not get it to the level of mine, but I don't do anything special other than listen to my coach and put in the hours.


"Before the rally, the Gods have placed the serve and the receive."
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Today a german player visited the club. He has a german ttr of 1800, was so much fun to play against him!

He killed me in the first two games, because i returned his serves either too long or too high and short. Whenever he got to attack his loop had so much spin it just slid under my racket and most of the times i could not even reach the ball as he aimed for the spots I could not reach. However i managed to get some free points with my new disguised topspin hook serve and reverse pendulum looking like a normal backspin pendulum.

And if i could finally loop a ball I got mostly winners as well. So the game was fought around the serve retun to net let the other attack. In the third game i managed to retunr his serves quiet well and took one game off of him! Ahh bummer i did not bring my camera. Maybe he will return next wedensday.
 
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Last Sunday I had a go with some new setup stuff. I got a new short pip & long pip for my Clipper.

TSP Spectol Red short pips & Dawei 388 D-1 long pips.

Both were an utter failure for me. Not the rubbers. Just me.

The TSP Spectol Red on that 44 deg sponge was simply too fast. I mean by a long shot. Furthermore, the pips on spectol were smaller than what I was use to in 802-40 with its larger pips and I'm assuming more spin. In addition to that, I had my 802-40 on a 2.0 30 deg Air Super Soft sponge. It was night & day difference. Too fast. No confidence in my shots. Playing like a timid short piper. Yes truly awful.

The Dawei 388 D-1 (1.5 sponge) a popular hitting long pip. I can honestly say this. I can't imagine an easier hitting long pip on the planet. However, there is little to no deception. I had my buddy try it and he was counter driving to me with it while I had his blade. I could counter right back. The ball coming in from him was slight topspin. Not reversing. This is not what I wanted. If I could draw a comparision. It was like hitting with a light grip short pip on a thin sponge.... Yuck.

After giving myself a good smack on the hand... Bad Ej. Bad Ej.

I put the Palio ck531a 1.0 Long pip back on there and it's back to what's good again.

As for the forehand, my topsheet was coming off my custom sponge. So i don't have that to use. In the meantime, I dug out an old sheet of Gambler Wrath to slip on there. I remember I liked it back in the day. It's a nice topsheet on a pretty soft sponge.

Hit with my co-worker over lunch yesterday and it was nice to be back.

So for now it's inverted. If I dislike it, I can always go to the short pips but I will admit it is nice being able to hit with a little more pace & speed. Whatever I do, I think i simply need soft sponged (safe), non-tuned rubbers since I tend to play close to the table. Anything too fast just doesn't work for me in my game.
 
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New footage!

had an important match today. Had my second Revenge against an opponent I lost to in the first round.
Videos are following...

1. Match: He is rated higher than me, about 1700 USttr.
I won played without fear in the first two games, his serve did not bother me... last time I played him I lost because of his serve. This time i got into the rally easy and won the first two games 11:3 and 11:4.
Then it happend, I run out of stamina and had not enough courage to attack. I was 10:6 up in the third and lost it 15:13. Lost the forth match 14:12 as well. Only blocking passive... I hated myself at this moment.

I got my biorhythm back up running for the last game and won it 11:3! Damn a hard day of work can really pull its weight.

2. Match: I haven't played him before, so I started passive and got up 7:1 just to let it slack again. The passive backhand came into play once again. After winning the first game he took the lead with 10:2... I actually managed to get to 10:9... he put an end to my ambitions with a disguised topspin serve which surprised me big time.
In the end i won in the forth game with 15:13 :O...$

3. In the third and last match I played a much lower rated player who hasn't won a game yet. 3:0 for me with some nice squatting down counter topspins. Not sure if the whole match is uploaded, as my handy had not enough memory... again.
 
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I haven't given a TTD update in a while but I have maintained my same project which is the never ending goal and dream of being able to counter loops at the table with my own loops. I can do it but I surprise myself when I do it and that is not good enough. I don't surprise myself when I loop backspin.

I think I had another leap in understanding the weekend. I think I have been underestimating in general how much around the side of the ball I have to come when countering topspin. Then I realized that I don't have this problem when looping backspin and I realized that because backspin is slow, I tend to get to the side comfortably but with topspin, I rush and get to the back, not the side. So I decided for most of my loops against anything but topspin especially since I miss those, my paddle must be parallel to the side of the table in my head when I am making contact with the ball. This has raised my counter looping consistency quite a bit, the rest is movement and practice. For the first time too, I am truly appreciating a good composite, the Vega series from Xiom play in the OFF-/OFF range but I prefer them to my Primorac because close to the table, the composite picks up the bad contacts more consistently than the all wood Primorac. The feeling is a bit worse but not so bad I can't do well. I need to play some good players but the initial practice and test matches have been very encouraging.

I will post a video of lying looping practice so that some people can see my contact point and compare it with theirs, I am thinking especially of my advice to schemesc. I still sometimes get too much sidespin but that is better for countering than hitting the ball square in the back.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09tVRa1ix9c
 
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I haven't given a TTD update in a while but I have maintained my same project which is the never ending goal and dream of being able to counter loops at the table with my own loops. I can do it but I surprise myself when I do it and that is not good enough. I don't surprise myself when I loop backspin.

I think I had another leap in understanding the weekend. I think I have been underestimating in general how much around the side of the ball I have to come when countering topspin. Then I realized that I don't have this problem when looping backspin and I realized that because backspin is slow, I tend to get to the side comfortably but with topspin, I rush and get to the back, not the side. So I decided for most of my loops against anything but topspin especially since I miss those, my paddle must be parallel to the side of the table in my head when I am making contact with the ball. This has raised my counter looping consistency quite a bit, the rest is movement and practice. For the first time too, I am truly appreciating a good composite, the Vega series from Xiom play in the OFF-/OFF range but I prefer them to my Primorac because close to the table, the composite picks up the bad contacts more consistently than the all wood Primorac. The feeling is a bit worse but not so bad I can't do well. I need to play some good players but the initial practice and test matches have been very encouraging.

I will post a video of lying looping practice so that some people can see my contact point and compare it with theirs, I am thinking especially of my advice to schemesc. I still sometimes get too much sidespin but that is better for countering than hitting the ball square in the back.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09tVRa1ix9c

I was thinking your hitting partner wasn't able to hit very well until I saw him start looping himself. I just don't like his blocks I guess. You seem pretty comfortable counter looping from off the table. Why do you want a counter loop on the table opposed to just counterhitting when you're close?
 
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I was thinking your hitting partner wasn't able to hit very well until I saw him start looping himself. I just don't like his blocks I guess. You seem pretty comfortable counter looping from off the table. Why do you want a counter loop on the table opposed to just counterhitting when you're close?
Spin = good.

More spin = better.
 
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