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@Tony's Table Tennis ,

Sir, I have question that perplexes me. A veteran player was teaching an asian office lady how to play short pips on BH. Nothing unusual there until...

He says, you should brush more, more brushing...

And red flag started in my mind. Did I miss the memo? I always assume short pips is punching and redirection play, brushing and looping? That is the domain of us smoothies gang.

Or did I miss something? Has the pips cross over to the domain of us smoothies?

Help clear Gozo's confusion pls.

Check out this highlight vid of SYS vs Jia Nan Yuan, Gozo. JNY plays black short pips on her forehand side, and there are plenty examples of her looping with it in that match.

(Matter of fact, at one point during the live broadcast they showed spinsight measuring one of them at 124 rps, and the commentator mentioned something about the average women players' shots being ~ 125.)
 
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Check out this highlight vid of SYS vs Jia Nan Yuan, Gozo. JNY plays black short pips on her forehand side, and there are plenty examples of her looping with it in that match.

(Matter of fact, at one point during the live broadcast they showed spinsight measuring one of them at 124 rps, and the commentator mentioned something about the average women players' shots being ~ 125.)

My apologies, @Gozo Aruna - just realized I forgot to paste the link! Here ya go:

 
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Interesting, I would've thought that playing farther back would be a bit more taxing on your body? Either way, just play the way you'd like to play, and perhaps find a coach who'd coach you that way. I know my coach doesn't work for everyone. He points out everything that's wrong with your stroke, and a lot of people feel confused due to the information overload, and since everything works together so unless you're able to do everything he tells you to do at least to some extent your game will probably get worse.

big steps are fine and i like doing them, i dont really feel slow

the small steps and rapid shuffling you often use when close to the table agitates my feet tendons probably due to overuse (i have been in a motorcycle accident before where my foot got injured)

but yeah my coach is exactly as you describe, apparently nothing i do is good enough :ROFLMAO:
 
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Watching CY vs. Winter, I wonder why more pros don't play like CY vs. Winter/Akula's style? A lot of those BH anti/LP blocks are clearly long, so why push them back? Why not keep up the pressure, especially pivot to get a FH loop in? I never understood the one push, one loop strategy. It's so outdated and just doesn't work against modern players with powerful FH attacks.

I watched in disbelief a couple years ago when powerful attackers like SYS and WYD tried the same strategy against the Indian girls, and 2 years later people are still trying the same thing?
 
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and that is that i am always a few feet away from the table

time to rethink my strategy :)
I also play penhold and feel much more comfortable from mid distance. Penhold strokes require more space and time to perfrom with power, so i build my strategy over the idea of "we need to force mid distance". It's both my natural tendency and preference. With penhold i find MUCH more sucess in this kind of style than shakehand. But it's much easier to play close to the table with shakehand, at least in my opinion. If we talk about inverted, of course.

Close to the table game for me is just a requirement so i can get to mid distance. So a lot of flicks to speed up the ball, long pushes to get slow topspin and atacking long pushes myself(medium power and spin so less errors and more time to get in position).
never....... im going to be the second coming of wang hao
Also, too relatable.
 
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Watching CY vs. Winter, I wonder why more pros don't play like CY vs. Winter/Akula's style? A lot of those BH anti/LP blocks are clearly long, so why push them back? Why not keep up the pressure, especially pivot to get a FH loop in? I never understood the one push, one loop strategy. It's so outdated and just doesn't work against modern players with powerful FH attacks.

I watched in disbelief a couple years ago when powerful attackers like SYS and WYD tried the same strategy against the Indian girls, and 2 years later people are still trying the same thing?
You have to be used to relooping your own spin vs a very good chop blocker possibly with treated pips. It isn’t always trivial.
 
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That first night after a month of summer break is always so confronting... Everything was off. Everything. Touch, timing, footwork, anticipation, rhythm, tension, everything.
Once I finally found myself breaking in, I was pretty much out of energy.
I did manage to get to the point where I could focus on really hitting through the rubber, ball and blade, which I was working on before the break. Also, still consciously trying to break the panic reaction and conditioning myself to look, move, and then swing instead of doing all these things together (and failing to produce a quality ball). I have enough time, maybe too much, because when I play panic reaction mode, I often need to adjust mid stroke to hit the ball. And the stroke is slow, linear, no acceleration. So I don't hit through the ball well, see the previous point.

Equipment wise I'm still confused, but I need to stabilise again before I can think about which setup would work better for me. I bought an innerforce ALC which should be my dream blade, but while it's en route I'm having trouble taming my Korbel right now. I'm thinking of saving it for a special occasion, as a reward for hitting a new milestone.
 
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Played a tournament this past weekend. I was unable to play in the morning because of family obligations, so I missed the U2250. I was seeded out of the first round of the 1950 and played some doubles matches under U3500. We played a team rated 2400 while we were over 3300 and won 3-0 with very little tension.

In the first round of the U1950, I played a long pips player that I have played with a lot. However, I have never played him with the butterfly ball and while this could have gone either way, it actually made the match harder for him and I beat him much worse than I usually do. That was probably the high point of the day unfortunately as it was downhill from there for the rest of the day.

In the Open, I was the top seed in a group of 4. I played a member of the youth brigade and struggled to a 3-1 victory. Then I played a elderly statesman and won 3-0 without breaking a sweat. Now it was the A vs B matchup and I played a penholder who had lost 2-3 with the youth brigade. I played him on a table where the pushes heldup and I missed a lot of openers. I lost that 1-3 and ended up coming out of the group second.

In the U1950, I played kid I hadn't lost to in a competitive match. The first major change (having not played him in a few months) was that his backhand topspin had actual spin now so my pushes there were getting spun to me and I was countering/blocking off the table. He also maintained the attack much more consistently. I lost the first game at 5 and was up 8-3 or so in game 2 and ended up losing that as well. I tried to attack more in the third game, missed a lot and lost 0-3. To some degree, like in other matches, I blame the butterfly ball, but he played well, he actually ended up winning the event. I might have lost regardless, but I can't beat players like that playing once a week.

Further evidence for this came from the Open where I played a kid I hadn't lost to once more. Again, my power is sometimes going long and he often ran back from the table to soft counter and I wasn't used to this. I also didn't return his serve properly too many times and popped it up for vicious forehand kills. I managed to get to deuce in the forth, but one backhand long cost me the match.

At least the college location close to home should be opening on Sundays again. This should give me some practice close to home. May have to drop some pounds to play better. We will see....
 
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Second time after summer break and it was much more promising. I still have the feeling of not being able to make good deep contact for lots of balls, even with C1, but I got a better grasp on it then last Monday.
I also noticed (again?) that when I make a passive shot, as in just let the ball bounce, I always play with a loose grip. Especially on BH semi-pushes, that just results in an uncontrolled ball that can net just as easily as it can go long.
The obvious cure is to not play those shots passively, but the threshold between passive and good engagement is currently a little bit elusive. I can see more and more how slower, softer rubbers could be more helpful in learning to fully execute strokes. Very interesting phase.
 
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Going to play this event:


Since I will have a hotspot on my phone, I might upload matches I play and share here. We will see how it goes.
 
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Got to the venue today. Saw some players from the North East that I havent seen in a while (I took a 2.5 hr flight from Texas). After hitting with a guy from NY for a few hours, I went to hit with my teammates. I almost didnt attend the tournament because of my job search and I have to miss Sunday matches to return to Texas for urgent family business but they were happy I could make it as my absence would have left their team on serious trouble and forced them to field the same players for every match, not a problem when your youngest team member is under 40 but a huge problem when your youngest team player is over 40 and most players are over 55 or have physical issues.

I played with the setups I bought (HAL and 2 Viscaria SALC, all with D80). I am probably going to play most matches with the SALC blades but I will also sneak in a match with the HAL.

I thought as a Butterdly sponsored tournament, the official ball would be Butterfly but it seems to be Nittaku.

I played 3 practice matches. One against a teammate with long pips, went up 2,0, he tied it at 2-2 and I managed ro pull it out at 3-2. Then played another teammate and won 5-0, he is the lowest rated on the team. Then I played a guy that my teammate recommended I play with short pips on backhand and I lost 2-3. It is weird, I wasn't pressured by his speed but by his consistency and spinny serves. It took me a lot to win the two games I won at 11-9 and I could easily have lost 0-3. Tough to play good players when you are overweight and can't move.

Tomorrow, ideally I will let the video do the talking. We have four matches to decide which division we belong in. I think there are 5 divisions and we are at the bottom of division 3 based in our current ratings. So we play one team each from all the other divisions to figure out where we really belong. Wish us luck!
 
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I've been waffling a bit between H3 and D09c on the BH of my Q968. The Q is crips enough to allow me to use the same stroke as the FZD if I use D09c. H3 would accentuate its capabilities better, but requires a different stroke than I've been learning. It's a more BH drive type of stroke, kind of like WCQ or SYS's BH. A regular BH "tear" kind of BH would only be useful if you have plenty of time to prepare, as both the high dwell and the head heaviness make it impossible to react to a fast ball and flick the wrist fast enough to land it with regularity. Even when you hit it a more brushing stroke like the BH tear, even with a bigger, loop type motion, is very difficult to hit through the sponge and into the blade.

I'm gonna try a softer H3, the 37 degree, which is also lighter, and see if it's a good compromise. The hope here is that it still lets me play my usual game while I learn to adapt to a different one.
 
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Sp just finished my first team match. So we have 4 matches today. We are currently in division 4 and we will play a team from each of the other divisions. We started our with the division 5 team. They had a 2000 player, and 1800 player and a 1600 estimated player. We fielded out 2000 player, our Texas-1800 player (me) and our bottom player (1700). Our strategy is to play myself and our 2000 player for all the critical matches, and then to have either of us sit out for the harder to win matches.

So I started out playing their bottom player. He misread all my serves, put the ball everywhere I liked it and I won the first game 11-4. Great expectations are necessary but they can breed overconfidence lol. Out of nowhere, he started serving more topspin, made some ridiculous counters and placements and I was in a dogfight. I lost the second game at 8 or 9. The next two games I lost one, won one but it became clear that I couldn't really let my backspin serves drift long into his backhand and I needed solutions to stay consistent on my forehand. At 2-2 in games, I went down 2-6 in the 5th and called a timeout at that point. I needed to stabilize my mindset and commit to a strategy. Stop being surprised by the block, keep the ball on the table, make the opening spin up.Got it to 4-6, then to 5-8 then 7-9. Then 9-9. He might have missed a serve or two. I get match point and then he floats a ball to my shoet backhand. Nice spin it, it hits the net and goes long. I am livid at myself. I wish I could remember how I won this match, but I would be lying with any story I told. Hopefully my camera worked and the footage will tell the truth.

Our 2000 player beat this opponent 3-0 ans also beat their other player. I was next up against their 2000 player. I played him straight up and lost the first game 11-4. My 1700 teammate had told me his forehand was bad and while it wasn't terrible it was clearly his weaker side. So I changed tactics completely and disrespected the forehand in a way you are taught not by putting pushes and lots of balls there. That gave me the next game at 11-5.

Thr next game i continued the strategy but got my confidence doing and variety of things and went up 7-1. Ay this point, I think I expected to win ans my intensity went down. He chipped away and suddenly it because 10-7 i believe. Then he got to 8-01, 9-10, deuce. And now I started getting exasperated. I got the next point for ad but after looping to his forehand and getting a block, his block didn't have topspin so I mistimed the followup shot. Missed the opener the next point and I cant remeber how I lost the game but I did.

I decided that the culprit was not playing the forehand religiously.Again he had a decent forehand but I had to make him use it more and redirect the ball more. The issue was more me doing what I was supposed to do vs any major tactical changes. I needed to stop letting his unorthodox game surprise me.

The fourth game I won 11-7. While I got a lead and he came back,the patterns had started shifting as i played more from the middle and gave him the wide backhand. He didn't find it and my forehand got more effective and I closed out the game 11-4 and the match 3-2 for my first good win of the event.

So we won our most important match 5-1. The next match is against the team two above us and then the team three above us (wastes of time in principle). Our final match is against the team one above and we will field our three best players for that in an attempt to win and go up a division. But at least we are not going down lol.
 
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I've been waffling a bit between H3 and D09c on the BH of my Q968. The Q is crips enough to allow me to use the same stroke as the FZD if I use D09c. H3 would accentuate its capabilities better, but requires a different stroke than I've been learning. It's a more BH drive type of stroke, kind of like WCQ or SYS's BH. A regular BH "tear" kind of BH would only be useful if you have plenty of time to prepare, as both the high dwell and the head heaviness make it impossible to react to a fast ball and flick the wrist fast enough to land it with regularity. Even when you hit it a more brushing stroke like the BH tear, even with a bigger, loop type motion, is very difficult to hit through the sponge and into the blade.

I'm gonna try a softer H3, the 37 degree, which is also lighter, and see if it's a good compromise. The hope here is that it still lets me play my usual game while I learn to adapt to a different one.
Mind you, the 37 degree H3 is essentially a different rubber. It's soft and simply lacks power, is very easy to hit through but doesn't really reward it. Topsheet scuffs easily and I think it is actually softer.
 
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Mind you, the 37 degree H3 is essentially a different rubber. It's soft and simply lacks power, is very easy to hit through but doesn't really reward it. Topsheet scuffs easily and I think it is actually softer.
I agree, I tried it once and as crazy as it may sound, I preferred 40+ degree Hurricane on my backhand.
 
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So we have played two more team matches. The first was against the team two above us and in sat out that one. It was 3 kids from Atlanta and they were coached by Cazacu of Romania (I believe)and MLTT. I.cheered my teammates on and while they played valiantly, the hill was too high to climb. We lost 0-5 with one close match at 3-2, 11-8 in the fith vs their worst player.

The next match was against the top team, one 2400, one 2300 and one 2200. They were from NJ so I knew them all and @DerEchte even knows one of them from his days in Korea. I decided this would be a good time to test the Xiom HAL.

First up was against their highest rated player Greg. The result was largely a foregone conclusion, the question was wherher I could get any games. After being down 8'-0 or something close in the first game, I started wondering wherher i would get any points lol. As another example of the broad uselessness of equipment once you use something solid, Greg uses Tenergy 64 on forehand. When I share the video you will see me put many of his backhand serves into the net. While I hit some fancy shots and smashed a few balls with thr HAL, I often had no clue what I was doing. At least the score was barely respectable.

I played John last and John I knew.as a junior. He is likely a college graduate now and his game has become more competent but the overall outline hadn't changed. He is very athletic and creative and has a good and spinny forehand but his overall feel for the backhand is a glaring weakness. I am probably deceiving myself but he is the kind if of player I feel I would have a good chance against it I could use my lower body more physically

The scores were somethijg like 12-10, 9-11, 11-4, 11-8. John has a really fast wrist and can push even dead or light topspin balls with heavy backspin. I think he should get tested for putting something in that wrist lol.

So thr last match is coming up, but the team we are going to play is still battling the Atlanta team that beat us. I don't see much daylight as we are outraged across the board but wish us luck!
 
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So the last match was to see whether we could get into division 3. I went to the bathroom and came back late and was slotted into the C spot so my first match was third and against the player they slotted into the Z spot. My teammate played a chopper who played incredible matches against the kids that beat us 5-0 and beat the chopper 3-0 because the chopper had sustained a forehand injury. My teammate showed the chopper some helpful stretches but with the chopper injured, our chances went up significantly. We just had to win some critical matches.

So I go up against a 1970 player. Yes, the Texas Dallas 1800 is playing a Florida 1970. I started out making mistakes (the guy had really heavy ND deceptive serves and went down 3-7. In my head, I said eff that and started using mt own serves and pushes and got it to 7-7. After that I just wanted to win game one and we had similar styles. I feel I juat had faster wrist action in pushes and backhand topapins. I won the first game at deuce and that enabled me to really significantly. From then on, it became about making the opponent move and getting and defending the first topspin. In the end I managed to win 3-0, i struggled a bit going for too much power on some put-away shots but my teammates kept reminding me to focus on making him move.

My next match was against the injured chopper. He put up a valiant effort as well, trying to do everything he could and took me to deuce in the first game. I kept serving nospin serves because he was doing all out forehands and I didn't want to give him weight to use against me in his attacks. He started trying other tricks like lobbing, serving long and trying to use pips to make blocks/chops to throw me off my game but I managed to stay steady enough to win it in 3 games. Never cool to beat an injured player and he was 1980. I suspect part of the reason he felt comfortable playing me was that I had already beaten his similarly rated teammate and one higher rated player in the morning.

So the guy I beat first managed to beat my chopper teammate. Their 2000 level player beat both my teammates. So they had 3 points. I had beaten two players and my 2000 teammate had beaten their injured chopper. So the score was 3-3. My 2000 teammate was playing their 1970 guy from the morning. The chopper had packed up so if my 2000 teammate won, we would win the tie, either 5-3 if I won my final match against their 2000 player or 5-4 if I lost. So thr battle began and my 2000 level teammate won the first game at deuce but lost th second game at 9. I tried to tell him that the opponent didn't like my pushes to his backhand and for some reason, my teammate tried that strategy and struggled with my opponents attacks and lost game 3. So I had to shut up ans hope he found something. He got some traction with no spin serves to the forehand and tied the match 2-2. The match was seesaw all the way to 8-8. And then the opponent wins the next two points and is up 10-8. My teammate spn the first points with a smart no spin serve into the backhand and the next point in a spinny backhand exchange. At deuce, the opponent missed a backhand openers and my teammate won a serve and attack point. This gave us the match.

But 5-3 or 5-4? Well I played the 2000 player to decide that. He had beaten both my teammates 3-1 and my teammate warned me about how savvy my opponent was strategically in avoiding and changing strategies. I got ready for a great battle.

The match started and my backspin serves were working, my spinny openers were working, he missed my no spin. erves long and I countered and blocked without errors. Game 1 score 11-1.

Surely it was just a bad run and my opponent would come out swinging thr next game. So we started the next game, the no spin serves were working, my timing was on, the counters were working. Game score 11-2.

Well on the very first point of game 3, my opponent serves long into my backhand, I do a basic backhand topspin, he kills thr ball wide to my forehand and I yank my shoulder reaching for the ball.... that did not feel good. My opponent had a 6-1 or 7'-1 lead before I started chipping away. But it was obvious he had changed his approach as he started chop blocking my backhands and spinning the ball.more aggressively. I think most the game at 6 or 7.

So my teammate said that my opponent had obviously taken pains to disrupt my timing and I had ro figure out how to adapt and disrupt his. And usually for me, that means I have to take at least one step back and move much more. While it might be common sense to some players, for me it was a big deal when I started playing topspins at different distances from the table. And I often realized when coaching people that it was possible to transform a match simply by taking a step back from the table if you had the movement to get to the ball and spin it, and the power to block and generate from the new playing distance. Even with all that the game was pretty close even if I thought I was always in control. I won 13-11 in the fourth. I beat the side.

So my team is now playing in division 3 and our first match tomorrow is against a team that one of my very best friends plays for. That will be interesting. So far the tournament has been a broad affirmation of the issues I have playing in Texas Dallas where the lack of accurately rated players in the 1950 ‐ 2200 range is depressing the ratings of a lot of good players. I suspect after this event, I will go back and lose 100-200 points again to a bunch of kids and young adults who are inaccurately rated because they dont get out and play enough and because there just arent enough players around their true rating for them to beat for accurate ratings estimates.
 
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Mind you, the 37 degree H3 is essentially a different rubber. It's soft and simply lacks power, is very easy to hit through but doesn't really reward it. Topsheet scuffs easily and I think it is actually softer.
I agree, I tried it once and as crazy as it may sound, I preferred 40+ degree Hurricane on my backhand.

Alright, alright guys, you convinced me. I tried the 37 for a day and I just can't do it. I'd probably land more balls with it, but like master @Gozo Aruna, I'm in it for the fireworks and the H3 37 is just an airsoft :LOL:

I used H3 37 before on my W968, I thought it'd be different with a stiffer blade and improved technique but nope, it's the same mushy, slow feel as before. I'm back to the H3 38 rocket and it feels so much better. The rubber has apparently expanded a little, allowing me to trim a little off, and I used half the glue, so the weight balance is also more reasonable.

Thanks guys for reminding me what I'm playing this game for. I love winning, but I can't live without rockets! :ROFLMAO:
 
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