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I finally got the hang of all my old serves, including FH hook, pendulum and heavy underspin/no spin all from the same start position. It took a shit ton of multiball, my timing was so dog shit lol hitting like <50% serve accuracy in the beginning.

Finally feeling more confident with it now and did a lot of training with serve, opponent receives and I loop/chiquita the 3rd ball. A lot of players were quite happy to do this drill with multiball.

Getting maybe 20% back to my old form now :)
 
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Had internal comp on sunday and monday.

I can't really complain about how I played. Managed to beat two players I should probably beat once in a while, narrowly or not so narrowly lost to players I should lose to. Didn't really get outplayed most of the time and it was my own mistakes on the 3rd or 5th ball by a hair. On monday I actually dialed down my serve quality and got easier returns to hit.

Based on games lately I think H3 on backhand was the right choice. It's slow and damped in a very positive way (easy to push short or drop the ball half-long with blocks) but also surprisingly extremely fast in explosive shots which got me a few winners. I'll try tensors and hybrids again some time when my backhand improves, but for now this is the move. I can't handle too soft and elastic of a sponge yet in actual game scenarios.
 
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We got our first victory today, a 3-2, and unfortunately my contribution was limited to winning the doubles (which was our first doubles win, so that was great)
Lost both my singles in the decider.

One of the guys told me that I lost when I stopped committing to my shots and he was absolutely right. I loved hearing that after all the comments of people who don't understand what I'm trying to do, and they just keep telling me to hold back. No! When I hold back, I do half assed shots, and those are impossible to control.

Now here's a couple of things.

I really need to trade some fat for muscle. I can't commit to my shots for the full 5 games, and one reason is my lack of fitness, another is a lack of core stability.
I can think of 100 options for gear that would make it easier to commit. But would that help me to get better at it, or just lower the bar? I have a reasonable setup.
I need to get more TT time. Either on the table or not, I need more opportunities to make better habits.

I don't think it's realistic to stay in this division but we can always get back up again.
 
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We got our first victory today, a 3-2, and unfortunately my contribution was limited to winning the doubles (which was our first doubles win, so that was great)
Lost both my singles in the decider.

One of the guys told me that I lost when I stopped committing to my shots and he was absolutely right. I loved hearing that after all the comments of people who don't understand what I'm trying to do, and they just keep telling me to hold back. No! When I hold back, I do half assed shots, and those are impossible to control.

Now here's a couple of things.

I really need to trade some fat for muscle. I can't commit to my shots for the full 5 games, and one reason is my lack of fitness, another is a lack of core stability.
I can think of 100 options for gear that would make it easier to commit. But would that help me to get better at it, or just lower the bar? I have a reasonable setup.
I need to get more TT time. Either on the table or not, I need more opportunities to make better habits.

I don't think it's realistic to stay in this division but we can always get back up again.
Gym helped me a bunch. Makes staying more proactive easier.
 
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One thing with all my serves is that my serve quality when serving to the BH corner is much higher than when i serve to the FH corner. I managed to figure out why. Because when i serve to the BH i use max body but when i serve to the FH i use more arm. But, if I point my body towards FH corner it would be too obvious. If i use a different movement it would be inconsistent. So basically the fix is to use the exact serving movement (with max body involvement), but to adjust the left foot direction when it lands (which also controls the hip direction and where the body is facing) to control the serve placement. So this way, i get an easy to vary serve placement, and also get consistent quality across my serves.
 
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We got our first victory today, a 3-2, and unfortunately my contribution was limited to winning the doubles (which was our first doubles win, so that was great)
Lost both my singles in the decider.

One of the guys told me that I lost when I stopped committing to my shots and he was absolutely right. I loved hearing that after all the comments of people who don't understand what I'm trying to do, and they just keep telling me to hold back. No! When I hold back, I do half assed shots, and those are impossible to control.

Now here's a couple of things.

I really need to trade some fat for muscle. I can't commit to my shots for the full 5 games, and one reason is my lack of fitness, another is a lack of core stability.
I can think of 100 options for gear that would make it easier to commit. But would that help me to get better at it, or just lower the bar? I have a reasonable setup.
I need to get more TT time. Either on the table or not, I need more opportunities to make better habits.

I don't think it's realistic to stay in this division but we can always get back up again.
Even just 15 mins of calisthenics per day will help fitness a lot if you don't currently do much exercise.

Faster equipment is definitely not the play. All of your posts since changing to Glayzer on both sides sound positive, so stick to that if you ask me.
 
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Amateur TT players are really opposed to weight training for some reason. A lot of people think you need to be skinny to "be quick" which is nonsense. All of those players I know stand really tall because their knees can't take it.

Do squats, leg press, whatever to get mass in the quads, and sprint uphill IMO.
 
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Even just 15 mins of calisthenics per day will help fitness a lot if you don't currently do much exercise.
Yeah I'm thinking up a minimum viable plan for once, rather than setting the bar too high.
Faster equipment is definitely not the play. All of your posts since changing to Glayzer on both sides sound positive, so stick to that if you ask me.
Definitely not faster, I was thinking softer, lower power access threshold. Or tacky. But changing those boundaries isn't going to make me feel better, getting more fit is.

I don't do gyms, but calisthenics and running are options I can work with. I'll be writing up a schedule today



EDIT (yes, I self-analyze a lot) Here's the main symptoms that I want to work on:

1. too thick contact, or on the other end of the spectrum, missing the ball completely when trying to make a brush contact.
What it does: I overshoot balls that I want to spin, or I whiff them. Also creates much less spin than I want to.

Technique-based remedy: lower my posture, work on my timing, for BH letting the ball come to the hitting zone (or stepping in when it comes slower than expected), for FH I need better bat angle which is easier with lower posture. For both, I need more trust in my ability to accelerate through the ball.
EJ remedy: "I need a low throw rubber, and Hurricane is good for thick hit-brush contact"

2. missing higher balls (net, overshoot)
What it does: I create a chance for myself and then whack it into the net or miss the table. Also way out of position when the ball comes back.

Technique-based remedy: footwork, don't attempt to finish a ball I'm not in position for, improve my ability to play a controlled loop at the table. I want to learn better stroke mechanics for over the table work, at the moment it's one of my weakest points trying to create controlled loopy spin with a short stroke.
EJ remedy: "Tacky rubber makes this easier because of the way it picks up the ball without trampolining off."


So footwork, posture, both require better fitness levels. Last time I weighed myself I was 84 something, when I was in good running shape, I was in the low 70s (I remember a 72). Currently, I would love to be under 80 again.
My focus running out too fast is also something that can be improved by better stamina levels. Better blood sugar regulation, better mood stability, better mental power.
Right now, my main exercise is TT twice a week. Other than that, only the occasional bike ride or walk. So there's a lot of opportunity for improvement.
 
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I think some of those things can also be addressed without any significant change in fitness.

For high balls it sounds like you're probably hitting more into the back of the ball than the top, making the shot very direct, but leaving little margin for error. I always think when I play a high ball that I still want to ensure to brush to a degree and create some topspin, just that it might be like 10-30% brush instead of openers where it's 80-90% or in close table rallies where it's more like 50% brush/hit taking the ball earlier.

Maybe looking at it less as "I'm going to hit a definite winner from this" and risking an unforced error, think of it like, "I will play a strong attack and follow it up if needed"

You don't have to put away the first high ball every time, just keep working towards a point.
 
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1. too thick contact, or on the other end of the spectrum, missing the ball completely when trying to make a brush contact.
What it does: I overshoot balls that I want to spin, or I whiff them. Also creates much less spin than I want to.

Technique-based remedy: lower my posture, work on my timing, for BH letting the ball come to the hitting zone (or stepping in when it comes slower than expected), for FH I need better bat angle which is easier with lower posture. For both, I need more trust in my ability to accelerate through the ball.
EJ remedy: "I need a low throw rubber, and Hurricane is good for thick hit-brush contact"

2. missing higher balls (net, overshoot)
What it does: I create a chance for myself and then whack it into the net or miss the table. Also way out of position when the ball comes back.

Technique-based remedy: footwork, don't attempt to finish a ball I'm not in position for, improve my ability to play a controlled loop at the table. I want to learn better stroke mechanics for over the table work, at the moment it's one of my weakest points trying to create controlled loopy spin with a short stroke.
EJ remedy: "Tacky rubber makes this easier because of the way it picks up the ball without trampolining off."
Welp, if you go to hurricane than you will have opposite problem, the contact can be too thin and ball goes in the net XD

I've been practicing this and my consistency improved a lot. For some reason when I started to use my legs to hit the ball, the contact is just right very often :/
 
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Welp, if you go to hurricane than you will have opposite problem, the contact can be too thin and ball goes in the net XD
Heheh I recognize that one! Sometimes the ball just squeaks off the rubber and drops down... But that happens much less than the overshooting problem does when I use tensors.
Either way, I don't quite want an EJ solution, I'd rather learn something that actually improves the shot...
I've been practicing this and my consistency improved a lot. For some reason when I started to use my legs to hit the ball, the contact is just right very often :/
Like this! Thanks :)
 
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Heheh I recognize that one! Sometimes the ball just squeaks off the rubber and drops down... But that happens much less than the overshooting problem does when I use tensors.
Either way, I don't quite want an EJ solution, I'd rather learn something that actually improves the shot...

Like this! Thanks :)
Either way, if you have a place to play, a robot is great help.
 
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Welp, if you go to hurricane than you will have opposite problem, the contact can be too thin and ball goes in the net XD

I've been practicing this and my consistency improved a lot. For some reason when I started to use my legs to hit the ball, the contact is just right very often :/
Yes this is completely correct - the use of the body with minimal arm backswing is now the meta in table tennis...
 
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If I stand too high on the backswing I tend to barely overshoot loops against light backspin with H3. You can definitely go too thick on the contact if the angle is wrong. Being lower seems to just fix it, either because the arc is lower or just because the spin is higher, I don't know for sure.
 
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