Dignics 09C on an Allwood blade

[banbekas]

It's good. Allwood blade either in the OFF-/ All+ range is great when you paste high performance rubber on it. You maximize the spin production in exchange for speed and power. I'd even suggest you to get a 5 ply all wood and paste DO9C or GO9C on it. The combo is very forgiving, easy to generate spin, and most of your shots will land on the table. In a tournament, it's what matters the most, isn't it?

 

[PickleRick]

If you play less than a year, equipment doesn’t matter all that much. Just pick a reasonably priced 5 ply wood and put some reasonably priced rubbers on it (aurus, rakza 7, Rozena, vega intro,…)

Dignics 09c would be a waste of money. It’s controllable but you need to be at quite a high level to unlock its potential.

There is still so many progress you can make regardless of equipment. Don’t think too much about it. Just play, have fun and the progress will come automatically.

 

[Kopp]

If you play less than a year, equipment doesn’t matter all that much. Just pick a reasonably priced 5 ply wood and put some reasonably priced rubbers on it (aurus, rakza 7, Rozena, vega intro,…)

Dignics 09c would be a waste of money. It’s controllable but you need to be at quite a high level to unlock its potential.

There is still so many progress you can make regardless of equipment. Don’t think too much about it. Just play, have fun and the progress will come automatically.

The problem with those rubbers you mentioned is that they're not durable and too fragile compared to G/D09C, Rakza Z, or other Chinese rubbers in general. But I don't like the hassle of boosting the Chinese rubbers, that's why I'd rather spend extra to buy hybrid D/G09C. Their durability is double compared to many ESN rubbers, IMO. But I'm also considering Nittaku Factive & G1. I've had G1 & it was durable. Factive is easier to play in many reviews. It's also cheaper.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

The problem with those rubbers you mentioned is that they're not durable and too fragile compared to G/D09C, Rakza Z, or other Chinese rubbers in general. But I don't like the hassle of boosting the Chinese rubbers, that's why I'd rather spend extra to buy hybrid D/G09C. Their durability is double compared to many ESN rubbers, IMO. But I'm also considering Nittaku Factive & G1. I've had G1 & it was durable. Factive is easier to play in many reviews. It's also cheaper.

You can just buy similar rubbers like Nittaku Fastarc or Bluefire M1, Dignics isn't your top choice, there are many different options that don't need boosting

 

[Silver Server]

Are you changing both fh & bh rubbers? Have you used regular Glayzer in comparison to G09c? How was it?

 

[PenHoldSandro]

You can just buy similar rubbers like Nittaku Fastarc or Bluefire M1, Dignics isn't your top choice, there are many different options that don't need boosting

you can also use cheaper rubbers like Yinhe rubbers (but those should feel different due to the different countries)

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

@UpSideDownCarl This is very interesting, now I'm learning. Please could you tell me what the difference is between playing with Koto and Limba? FYI, I've had a Korbel and still have a YSE. I've played with both but couldn't tell the difference; I thought they felt almost the same. I didn't notice any difference when hitting topspin, pushing, blocking, etc.

If you can't feel the difference, don't worry about it and use the one you like better.

The two woods just play differently: one is harder one is softer.

 

[Kopp]

If you can't feel the difference, don't worry about it and use the one you like better.

The two woods just play differently: one is harder one is softer.

I like them both TBH.

.. In many ways, the harder top ply suits today's game better than the softer top ply blades do.

This makes sense. I'll go with either Koto or Anigre.

Edit: or Limba. Can't made up my mind 😂

 

[z0uLess]

I will just add my long-term experience with another hybrid-style rubber: Rakza Z. I have a flexible and bouncy classic all-wood blade (koto-spruce-ayous-spruce-koto). They say that its a good blade for tacky chinese forehand rubbers. My experience with Rakza Z on forehand was that it felt like the rubber was made for carbon blades, since the speed output was not linear on how much power I put into the shot -- the more powerful shots would not get the expected power output since my blade would absorb so much of the power. It held on to everything ... the dwell was so large that I was not able to develop an ability to smash through a spin. The downside was that I felt that I could not kill the spin of my opponent with power. The upside was that I could absorb almost any power from my opponent ... so my forehand style turned into a very block-heavy style. Chopping was really good.

 

[banbekas]

I like them both TBH.

This makes sense. I'll go with either Koto or Anigre.

Edit: or Limba. Can't made up my mind 😂

Go with Koto. 5 ply with outer Koto is good to finish the point as long as your placement is good, and blocking is still good with Koto.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

I like them both TBH.

This makes sense. I'll go with either Koto or Anigre.

Edit: or Limba. Can't made up my mind 😂

go with the cheap one XD

 

[Kopp]

Go with Koto. 5 ply with outer Koto is good to finish the point as long as your placement is good, and blocking is still good with Koto.

Koto is fine. What rubber would you recommend for a Koto blade? I'm looking for a combination that isn't too fast but fast enough to trouble intermediate opponents when I'm attacking. I need something easy to control, with enough dwell time, spin-oriented, and all-round.

 

[zhzhzhz]

Hi guys,

I'm thinking trying out the D09C on OFF-/+ allwood blade, generally limba, like a Korbel or YSE.

But I haven't seen many reviews on this combo.

Is it a bad idea? Or maybe it's just not a popular choice?

I'd love to hear from anyone who's tried this combo. Your experiences and recommendations would be really helpful.

Thanks!

i use dignics 09c for my backhand in an all wood blade but it is 7 ply it feels good and its not too fast it also gives a lot of spin.

 

[Sims]

Hi guys,

I'm thinking trying out the D09C on OFF-/+ allwood blade, generally limba, like a Korbel or YSE.

But I haven't seen many reviews on this combo.

Is it a bad idea? Or maybe it's just not a popular choice?

I'd love to hear from anyone who's tried this combo. Your experiences and recommendations would be really helpful.

Thanks!

Hi
I've not tried 09c on slower wooden blades, in fact I've hardly played it much except on friends rackets but I read many reviews about it earlier this year when I was thinking of switching to it from Rakza Z for my FH (I couldn't justify the cost so I didn't).
Anyway, most of the reviews I read mentioned that it paired better with faster blades so your Viscaria should be a fine choice for it.
Out of interest, why do you want to try it on an allwood blade?
Also, how do you find the Glayzer 09c on the Viscaria? Am I right that it is D09c topsheet with softer sponge?
Given it's price (cheap in the Butterfly world!) I've considered trying this rubber. Would you recommend it?

 

[Kopp]

Out of interest, why do you want to try it on an allwood blade?

I felt the blade is quite stiff. Also, the blade vibrates, which is normal, but I think my blade vibrates too much, and I don't like the carbon vibration feel in my hand. It feels like steel; I want a more woody feel.

So to compensate for the reduction in speed if I change to an all-wood blade, I think I may need to upgrade the G09C to D09C. But I will maintain the Rakza Z for my backhand.

Also, how do you find the Glayzer 09c on the Viscaria?

IMO, it's very good. When you hit hard, you can feel the ball sink into the rubber and connects with the blade. It catches the ball a bit longer, and you can add much spin. But at my level, where my swing isn't fast enough, I think the blade kicks the ball off the racket too soon or too fast. I can't add the spin in the actual game where everything is moving 😂, although I could do it in a single-ball drill because I knew where the ball was coming. Even if I could, I'm having trouble following up the next shot if the ball is blocked well. It comes back so fast that I don't have time to fully recover because I'm slow.

That's why I want to go back using all-wood blade.

Am I right that it is D09c topsheet with softer sponge?

I'm not sure if it's the same topsheet, TBH. But yes, the sponge is a bit softer.

 

[banbekas]

Koto is fine. What rubber would you recommend for a Koto blade? I'm looking for a combination that isn't too fast but fast enough to trouble intermediate opponents when I'm attacking. I need something easy to control, with enough dwell time, spin-oriented, and all-round.

G09C is good already for that purpose. G1, Vega China, D05, Tenergy, are good with Koto all wood blade. It's more than fast enough to trouble intermediate opponents and can outright end the point if you are able to vary the placement. This is coming from someone who used to use Loki V5 and unboosted B2; 5 ply allwood blade with ayous outer and all in rating. I was able to end the point just fine because 5 ply is really good at close to close-mid distance level. Beyond that, you need to increase your muscle mass to end the point from mid to far distance.

 

[FrenchFrog33]

Hi guys,

I'm thinking trying out the D09C on OFF-/+ allwood blade, generally limba, like a Korbel or YSE.

But I haven't seen many reviews on this combo.

Is it a bad idea? Or maybe it's just not a popular choice?

I'd love to hear from anyone who's tried this combo. Your experiences and recommendations would be really helpful.

Thanks!

My club's coach (2100 USA rating) recommends an ALC blade for every players level with the 40+ ball. (My .02 cents)

 

[Serg]

Is a really good idea, the problem with all wood blades is speed nowadays, but with the new tensor technology like Dignics that is solved. I tried my friend's Double D09c with Yasaka Falck W7 and is lethal, don't do the korbel SK7(he has it too) is too thick and the combo is too fast. Use a Limba Ayous blade to make a looping monster, Koto will stay shorter on the blade and the feel wont be as good. Good blades number one Long 3, 2. Falck W7 3. Stiga Clipper Cr, the Yasaka Falck is a new blade designed recently for the modern table tennis so i presume is the best option, Long 3 is probably better and the Clipper CR is old news.

 

[zhzhzhz]

It works just fine. I use it myself so don't think too much about the negative. it actually makes the racket feel better imo.

 

[Topspinslinger]

On my chopping blade (Stiga clipper + 388-D1) I have D09c max forehand. Quite fast with nice spin and feeling.