Does Hl5 need to use the hurricane 3?

[Tyce]

You can keep repeating the statement that spin is the same. That doesn't make it true.
Yes there is this one Spinsight experiment, but it's full of flaws. It doesn't explain why some people make more spin at full power with one rubber than with another. Even the premise of "full power" is highly subjective.

Getting used to a rubber trains your proprioception. Input vs outcome gets continously reinforced. You can not at that point make an honest comparison between rubbers that you don't have equal experience with.

It's even highly questionable that the tester got the most out of either rubber. And to be frank, there's no way of proving it either.

So without a proper scientific method of proving that the spin capacity of different rubbers are exactly the same, it's only fair say that we don't know. And judging by decades of user experience and thousands of threads about equipment, as well as the exclusive choice of Hurricane 3 throughout the CNT, the odds are very much in favour of there actually being a difference.

 

[sebi]

You can keep repeating the statement that spin is the same. That doesn't make it true.
Yes there is this one Spinsight experiment, but it's full of flaws. It doesn't explain why some people make more spin at full power with one rubber than with another. Even the premise of "full power" is highly subjective.

Getting used to a rubber trains your proprioception. Input vs outcome gets continously reinforced. You can not at that point make an honest comparison between rubbers that you don't have equal experience with.

It's even highly questionable that the tester got the most out of either rubber. And to be frank, there's no way of proving it either.

So without a proper scientific method of proving that the spin capacity of different rubbers are exactly the same, it's only fair say that we don't know. And judging by decades of user experience and thousands of threads about equipment, as well as the exclusive choice of Hurricane 3 throughout the CNT, the odds are very much in favour of there actually being a difference.

I say this you say that. I get were you are coming from, but for me personally you are over complicating it.
Agree to disagree

 

[Matteones]

I have seen tons of people pair dhs h3 with the hl5 because they say it compliments each other, i want to ask do i really need to use the tacky chinese rubber? Because im to lazy to boost it every month.

I have not dwelt deeply into the 4 pages conversation but I have this to say:
I started using hl5 one year ago and passed over to w968 5 months ago.

My rubber progression has gone harder and harder and with every harder rubber it just feels better.
Forehand: Tibhar mk pro, not boosted --> Bluegrip J1, not boosted --> 40 degree hurricane BS (not boosted is just not really usable, at least for me).

Backhand: Tibhar mk pro, not boosted --> Stiga dragon power 55, unboosted

I only found my boosting sweet spot (I am new to it) at the third rubber and it needs 3 not-too-thick layers the first time I put it on (I use Haifu National Yellow). It wears off in 2-3 weeks top (but only feel real good 10 days) and I put one additional layer twice more (peeling off the glue), then I just change the rubber because it got too soft.

I play at a quite high level and while the setup feels amazing to me I wouldn't recommend it to many people, because it needs a certain style of play, and it's extremely unforgiving.

When I play long tournaments, I can optimally play 5-6 matches, stretch it a couple of matches more if I'm feeling extra good, but then I know I'll lose at a certain point because my legs won't support a good technique anymore. Or just if I feel tired or lazy, it just won't help you in any way.

 

[rbtitco]

Buy a rubber that lasts a long time to lessen ur chances of peeling off all ur limba

 

[Archosaurus]

You can keep repeating the statement that spin is the same. That doesn't make it true.
Yes there is this one Spinsight experiment, but it's full of flaws. It doesn't explain why some people make more spin at full power with one rubber than with another. Even the premise of "full power" is highly subjective.

Getting used to a rubber trains your proprioception. Input vs outcome gets continously reinforced. You can not at that point make an honest comparison between rubbers that you don't have equal experience with.

It's even highly questionable that the tester got the most out of either rubber. And to be frank, there's no way of proving it either.

So without a proper scientific method of proving that the spin capacity of different rubbers are exactly the same, it's only fair say that we don't know. And judging by decades of user experience and thousands of threads about equipment, as well as the exclusive choice of Hurricane 3 throughout the CNT, the odds are very much in favour of there actually being a difference.

Rubbers with a higher coefficient of friction at high loads and a higher topsheet and sponge hysteresis will generate more spin at high loads. Hurricane 3 has a combination of those, at the expense of some other characteristics.

The difference might be 5-10% or whatever (I suspect up to 20% for the same dimensions) but it's quite a lot at the elite level.

 

[longle]

It lasts 1 month tops, doesn't seem to depend too much on whether you play with it or not. The more you loop into the racket the more you feel the difference. The blade affects your feel as well. I've found that I don't notice as much of a difference between boosted and off boost H3s on my FZD ALC or Viscaria compared to say the W968 or Q968. The rubber does stay softer after the booster effect wears off, and gets progressively softer after each reboost.

yes, so I avoid reboost as much as possible, it actually shorten the lifespan of my rubbers. In the past I like to reboost after 2 weeks, so I can feel the difference clearly

 

[Kilogramme]

Any recommendations?

I play with Golden HL5, and I switched from H3 neo BS boosted, to Xiom Vega China. Very similar, yet, no need to boost. Like you, I am annoyed to boost, and it last 2 weeks. With the Xiom, the speed last forever. Tacky like H3, if not better. Similar playstyle. High throw when brushing, low throw (very low) when hitting hard. Lovely combo. The blade improves dwell and throw, it pairs well with the rubber. Vega China on a Koto outer ALC must be unplayable tho.

 

[ber]

I play with Golden HL5, and I switched from H3 neo BS boosted, to Xiom Vega China. Very similar, yet, no need to boost. Like you, I am annoyed to boost, and it last 2 weeks. With the Xiom, the speed last forever. Tacky like H3, if not better. Similar playstyle. High throw when brushing, low throw (very low) when hitting hard. Lovely combo. The blade improves dwell and throw, it pairs well with the rubber. Vega China on a Koto outer ALC must be unplayable tho.

Compared to the hammond z2 which is better on fh ? looping and smashing

 

[ber]

I play with Golden HL5, and I switched from H3 neo BS boosted, to Xiom Vega China. Very similar, yet, no need to boost. Like you, I am annoyed to boost, and it last 2 weeks. With the Xiom, the speed last forever. Tacky like H3, if not better. Similar playstyle. High throw when brushing, low throw (very low) when hitting hard. Lovely combo. The blade improves dwell and throw, it pairs well with the rubber. Vega China on a Koto outer ALC must be unplayable tho.

also what kind of vega china? because there r tons of version

 

[Kilogramme]

Compared to the hammond z2 which is better on fh ? looping and smashing

I don't know Hammond Z2, so I can't compare.

 

[Kilogramme]

also what kind of vega china? because there r tons of version

There is 2. The new one red packaging (china +) and the old one Blue packaging (China VM). Vega China VM on the topsheet is the right one. Apparently the new one, with red packaging is shit.

The vega china VH is nowhere to be seen.
Vega China review :

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/xiom-vega-china-vm-review.17935/