Donic Bluegrip K2 Vs D09c

[amitmnagarwal]

Anyone has comparison to both?

How's the difference?

 

[Poi]

I assume you mean Bluegrip J2?

I played with Bluegrip J1 for about 6 months and then decided to try Dignics 09c (on another bat though), so if it's still relevant for you I can give you a comparison of those two based on my experience.

 

[ck1407]

I assume you mean Bluegrip J2?

I played with Bluegrip J1 for about 6 months and then decided to try Dignics 09c (on another bat though), so if it's still relevant for you I can give you a comparison of those two based on my experience.

Coincidentally, I played with both J1 and D09C on fh.

Tldr, I prefer J1 for it's explosiveness.

Coming from hurricane 3, my fh swings are bigger. I went towards these 2 rubbers as I wanted to be able to play awkward balls when I don't get the opportunity to swing.

Playing with both, 09C can generate spin easier compared to J1 as good spin is generated with minimal effort with 09C where J1 will need you to put in slightly more effort.

But thing is, at high power shots, I feel that 09C doesn't give anymore whereas J1 really explodes and shoots the ball like a railgun haha. The ball dips into the opponent's side of the table with the topspin loops.

In terms of durability, I change my J1 at the 6 months mark while my 09C still plays decently well after 1 year.

If you are looking for a rubber to boost your offense, go with J1. If you want more margin for error, D09C is your pick.

Look forward on your take of these 2 rubbers

 

[Poi]

Coincidentally, I played with both J1 and D09C on fh.

Tldr, I prefer J1 for it's explosiveness.

Coming from hurricane 3, my fh swings are bigger. I went towards these 2 rubbers as I wanted to be able to play awkward balls when I don't get the opportunity to swing.

Playing with both, 09C can generate spin easier compared to J1 as good spin is generated with minimal effort with 09C where J1 will need you to put in slightly more effort.

But thing is, at high power shots, I feel that 09C doesn't give anymore whereas J1 really explodes and shoots the ball like a railgun haha. The ball dips into the opponent's side of the table with the topspin loops.

In terms of durability, I change my J1 at the 6 months mark while my 09C still plays decently well after 1 year.

If you are looking for a rubber to boost your offense, go with J1. If you want more margin for error, D09C is your pick.

Look forward on your take of these 2 rubbers

Interesting! Yes, I actually agree with all your points
I'm curious, since you're coming from Hurricane 3, what's your thoughts on serves with J1 and 09C?

I've posted my comparison below which got a bit longer than planned...

Please be aware of that the rubbers were tested on different bats, 09C on Viscaria and J1 on Xiom Hayabusa ZL Pro (should be very similar to a Hurricane Long 5 in terms of base speed and response when hitting hard according to ttgearlab.com).

Both rubbers are max thickness by the way.

So, here we go...

TL;DR:

I think the 09C is an extremely consistent and rather forgiving rubber (in the context of high-end rubbers), with high spin that is easy to generate and very consistent. The power output and throw-angle response are very linear and predictable, and it is not very spin-sensitive.
The only downsides compared to the J1 that I can see are that it may not be quite as fast in the higher gears, and I prefer the J1 for serving.

The J1 has a lot of speed and spin potential, maybe even more than the 09C. However, the ease of generating spin and the consistency vary quite a bit across the gears, and it is very spin-sensitive in the lower gears. This spin sensitivity requires you to be hyper-focused when pushing, blocking slow and spinny balls, and playing third-ball attacks. Unless you go very hard with both spin and speed to engage the sponge, third-ball attacks require a very precise reading of the incoming spin to avoid going into the net or off the end of the table. For example, slow and spinny loops against backspin are extremely inconsistent.

On the other hand, it excels at mid-distance and farther away from the table when the sponge is fully engaged. It's an absolute blast to play with.

Overall, it's a high-potential rubber with an incredible number of gears, which can be a bit difficult to control due to the spin sensitivity in the lower gears. I would like to try this rubber on an outer-carbon blade to see if it becomes more predictable. The idea is that the sponge would engage earlier and the dwell time would be reduced. I mean, it was most likely developed together with the ZJK Original Carbon and New Era blades, which are both very stiff outer-carbon blades.

## Topsheet Impressions

J1:

The topsheet is not sticky or tacky, but it is very grippy and rather stiff. It feels a bit like a Chinese rubber without the tackiness, in my opinion. Speaking of tackiness, the "special Chinese stickiness" marketing is BS in my opinion. As mentioned, it is still very grippy, just in a different way.

09C:

This feels very different from any ESN rubber I've tested. It actually feels rather soft, and I could swear it has some damping properties that the J1 and other Donic rubbers do not have. For example, if I press the ball into the rubber and then lift it away quickly, I think the 09C rebounds more slowly. Even by touch, it is obvious that this is a very different blend compared to a typical ESN rubber.

## Light to Light-Medium Power Loops Over the Table

J1:

It's possible to produce a lot of spin, but it is not as easy to generate or as consistent as with the 09C. The feeling I get is that the sponge of the J1 is not fully engaged at these power levels.

09C:

It is able to produce about the same amount of spin, although that's really hard to judge. As mentioned, though, the spin is easier to generate and much more consistent.

## Medium to Hard Power Loops from Mid-Distance

J1:

The sponge starts to kick in, and my, is it a nice clicky sound. Combined with the speed and spin, this is where the J1 really starts to shine. The spin becomes easier to generate and the consistency is good.

09C:

The 09C also produces plenty of speed and spin, as expected, while maintaining its easy spin generation and consistency. It may be a little slower, but it's hard to tell. It could simply be that the nice clicky sound of the J1 makes it feel faster.

## Serving

Well, they are both high-throw hybrid rubbers and therefore require some adjustment if you're coming from Chinese rubbers. In my opinion, it is harder to serve short with heavy spin.

I actually preferred the J1 here because I like the stiff and muted Chinese-style feeling when serving, and I feel like I can generate slightly more spin.

The 09C is very similar, but with a slightly more dampened feel.

## Pushes

I think the J1 is able to produce a little more spin, but it is very spin-sensitive in the lower gears, so the blade angle needs to be extremely open.

## Looping Against Backspin (Third-Ball Attack)

This is, in my opinion, the J1's biggest weakness. Unless you go very hard with both spin and speed to engage the sponge, it is very unpredictable because your spin reading has to be nearly perfect.

The 09C doesn't require that level of precision when reading spin, and it is very predictable. I feel like a broken record at this point.

## Blocking

Even though some people may find the non-linear power output of the J1 difficult to control when blocking, I quite like it. After I got used to the non-linear power response, it was easy to control whether the block went long or short. Slow and spinny loops are still difficult to block, though.

The 09C is consistent and predictable as always. It absorbs incoming spin very well.