Double Fish Volant-Phoenix

[netdriver]

Wow, the review for this rubber seem pretty good. Maybe I should get one. I see it for $12 during black friday.

How much was it during Singles Day?

i dont know

i dont rly use aliexpress

 

[Zwill]

what hardness is your VP

mine is 40 degrees, initially boosted with 2 layers of seamoon when brand new but honestly the booster seemed to do diddly squat unlike the other chinese rubbers

personally i didnt like VP and my experience is the total opposite, i felt that the rubber has good speed but OTOH the spin is pretty mediocre on medium-powered shots and the arc is as direct as B2BS

couldve been a blade compatibility problem bc the blade i used with the VP on has a walnut outerply with inner carbon (stiga CCF)

39deg. I kinda wish it was a bit harder but when I bought I couldn't pick hardness.

On w968 it has a great arc, very stable and when I push drive it's fast but still doesn't drop to the net.

Kind of reminds me of Donic C2 in some ways.

 

[Zwill]

chen qi is also signed up as an ambassador for reactor

offtopic but someone go and try out the new reactor hyper power, i really liked reactor rubbers in the past and this new rubber seems more promising than reactor thunder (which i liked a lot)

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I have one coming, picked it up during 11.11.

I can imagine it being good as the Turtle Beijing blue sponge is pretty good as well. It all comes down how heavy they are and how bouncy. If they it's too dead I won't like it 😅

 

[longle]

I have one coming, picked it up during 11.11.

I can imagine it being good as the Turtle Beijing blue sponge is pretty good as well. It all comes down how heavy they are and how bouncy. If they it's too dead I won't like it 😅

never tried Tuttle but they are selling some new interesting sheets aroung 12$

 

[Zwill]

never tried Tuttle but they are selling some new interesting sheets aroung 12$

I think the Beijing blue sponge is pretty great just a bit heavy too again around 54gish after boosting and glue.
These arctic and antarctic rubbers are a bit interesting actually. They seem to have pored sponge (ESN?? ) and probably a good chinese topsheet too. So maybe an LAC competitor, which would be welcome.

One other thing I noticed is that Tuttle uses a sticky rubber cover made from paper. Never seen anyone using such except for recently buying a Yasaka Hovering Dragon which used the same type sticky rubber cover made from paper.
I doubt this is a coincidence.

 

[longle]

I think the Beijing blue sponge is pretty great just a bit heavy too again around 54gish after boosting and glue.
These arctic and antarctic rubbers are a bit interesting actually. They seem to have pored sponge (ESN?? ) and probably a good chinese topsheet too. So maybe an LAC competitor, which would be welcome.

One other thing I noticed is that Tuttle uses a sticky rubber cover made from paper. Never seen anyone using such except for recently buying a Yasaka Hovering Dragon which used the same type sticky rubber cover made from paper.
I doubt this is a coincidence.

I thought the Beijing would be a more suitable LAC competitor ?

 

[Zwill]

I thought the Beijing would be a more suitable LAC competitor ?

The Beijing national looks to me like Yasaka Rising Dragon 2 if I have to be honest 🧐

 

[Zwill]

The Volant Phoenix is a lovely rubber actually. I like it a lot. I really don't think it's worse than a boosted prov H3N BS. Maybe a bit less spinny but faster so it's a fair trade-off. But it arcs more too so I am not even sure if it's less spinny.
Probably 40 deg would be more ideal than 39 but still, 39 is not bad. It states on the packaging that it doesn't need boosting, if I will get a new one eventually I will add 2 thin layers of seamoon for sure and probably don't need to reboost it again. I boosted my current 39deg a long time ago and I didn't use it much and it still feels very fast and spinny.

 

[TensorBackhand]

The Volant Phoenix is a lovely rubber actually. I like it a lot. I really don't think it's worse than a boosted prov H3N BS. Maybe a bit less spinny but faster so it's a fair trade-off. But it arcs more too so I am not even sure if it's less spinny.
Probably 40 deg would be more ideal than 39 but still, 39 is not bad. It states on the packaging that it doesn't need boosting, if I will get a new one eventually I will add 2 thin layers of seamoon for sure and probably don't need to reboost it again. I boosted my current 39deg a long time ago and I didn't use it much and it still feels very fast and spinny.

To me, VP is more damaging weapon than H3 at my level. VP has strong spin and far more velocity

H3 is slower and requires more strength to deal the same damage

 

[TensorBackhand]

chen qi is also signed up as an ambassador for reactor

offtopic but someone go and try out the new reactor hyper power, i really liked reactor rubbers in the past and this new rubber seems more promising than reactor thunder (which i liked a lot)

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Where do you see that Chen Qi is endorsing Reactor? Is he also endorsing this rubber?

I'm debating between getting this Hyper Power or the Yinhe M-Star.

 

[netdriver]

Where do you see that Chen Qi is endorsing Reactor? Is he also endorsing this rubber?

I'm debating between getting this Hyper Power or the Yinhe M-Star.

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[TensorBackhand]

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2001年成立的本土品牌锐科特，20多年来一直专注于乒乓器材领域，带给了我们众多印象深刻的经典产品。而今锐科特整装再发，以全面崭新的形象重新站在了球迷面前，并重磅签约前奥运冠军陈玘，还有多款“颠覆性”的专业新品即将发布。

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Ok i guess i have to get it now

 

[Zwill]

Chen Qi was endorsing Qiji too from 🐠🐟

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

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Who is this man and what have they done with Chen Qi 😂

 

[TensorBackhand]

Chen Qi was endorsing Qiji too from 🐠🐟

How come other players are not endorsing rubbers?

Where is Ma Lin and Wang Liqin?

I would love. WLQ developed FH rubber

 

[TensorBackhand]

I ordered the Hyper Power and a Ckylin for bh

 

[Zwill]

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I'd say this one is OK for beginners and maybe someone dipping their fingers in Chinese rubbers but!
Just boosted mine and glued it on my racket (Viscaria clone) and I can immediately tell the topsheet is not as nice as H3 or Volant Phoneix or Battle 2, Battle 3. Maybe it will be a touch faster than H3BS but less spinny too. I think Tuttle Beijing National BS is better quality and the Double Fish Volant Phoenix is much more bouncy and more spinny. So Volant Phoneix is the king of cheap Chinese blue sponge rubbers so far. I have some 40deg incoming I wonder what those will be like. I like the 39deg but maybe a touch harder wouldn't hurt.
I licked on a layer of white Haifu on the VP and no joke it's about as bouncy as G-1. And VP thopsheet is comparable to H3 so there it is.

The Voland-Phoenix sponge is so dang thick, it must be on the very limit of legality or maybe over. My G-1 2.0 sponge looks like 1.5mm next to it. Maybe this is one of the reasons it feels so bouncy. It doesn't have that metallic "tang" either but you can hit down on the blade but still doesn't have that metallic tang then. Just that good crack sound of wood.

Double Fish rubbers seem to be very strong against oxidation too, probably the best from Chinese rubbers.

Sometimes I twiddle the VP on my backhand and I really like it too. Funnily I can evaluate Chinese rubbers on by BH better, if I like it on BH I know it's good. If I don't like it on BH I may still play pretty well with it on FH but I know it will have some issues.

 

[netdriver]

I'd say this one is OK for beginners and maybe someone dipping their fingers in Chinese rubbers but!
Just boosted mine and glued it on my racket (Viscaria clone) and I can immediately tell the topsheet is not as nice as H3 or Volant Phoneix or Battle 2, Battle 3. Maybe it will be a touch faster than H3BS but less spinny too. I think Tuttle Beijing National BS is better quality and the Double Fish Volant Phoenix is much more bouncy and more spinny. So Volant Phoneix is the king of cheap Chinese blue sponge rubbers so far. I have some 40deg incoming I wonder what those will be like. I like the 39deg but maybe a touch harder wouldn't hurt.
I licked on a layer of white Haifu on the VP and no joke it's about as bouncy as G-1. And VP thopsheet is comparable to H3 so there it is.

The Voland-Phoenix sponge is so dang thick, it must be on the very limit of legality or maybe over. My G-1 2.0 sponge looks like 1.5mm next to it. Maybe this is one of the reasons it feels so bouncy. It doesn't have that metallic "tang" either but you can hit down on the blade but still doesn't have that metallic tang then. Just that good crack sound of wood.

Double Fish rubbers seem to be very strong against oxidation too, probably the best from Chinese rubbers.

Sometimes I twiddle the VP on my backhand and I really like it too. Funnily I can evaluate Chinese rubbers on by BH better, if I like it on BH I know it's good. If I don't like it on BH I may still play pretty well with it on FH but I know it will have some issues.

aside from the bounciness and oxidation i still felt like VPs spin is not as threatening as B2

ofc this is just preference and its possible that its a bad match for my blade

 

[netdriver]

ok.... i think that i might have a lemon in my hand

i let other clubmates play with my blade and they felt like they couldn't spin the ball with the rubber

shots are indeed fast but due to lack of spin it either goes out of bounds or gets blocked back easily

the spin on serves is really bad.... like bad bad.

its weird bc my blade has a walnut outerply so it should be enough to go through the 40 degrees sponge, and yet sometimes it just outright refuses to bite the ball when it should.

i should mention that the moment i got VP on my blade , even with 2 layers of seamoon it felt very dead

its possible that i am a victim of QC, but the rubber is cheap so ig its not that bad

anyway i tore off VP and now its time to try reactor hyper power

(this is 40 degrees hardness btwl

 

[Zwill]

ok.... i think that i might have a lemon in my hand

i let other clubmates play with my blade and they felt like they couldn't spin the ball with the rubber

shots are indeed fast but due to lack of spin it either goes out of bounds or gets blocked back easily

the spin on serves is really bad.... like bad bad.

its weird bc my blade has a walnut outerply so it should be enough to go through the 40 degrees sponge, and yet sometimes it just outright refuses to bite the ball when it should.

i should mention that the moment i got VP on my blade , even with 2 layers of seamoon it felt very dead

its possible that i am a victim of QC, but the rubber is cheap so ig its not that bad

anyway i tore off VP and now its time to try reactor hyper power

(this is 40 degrees hardness btwl

Yeah something sounds very off with your sheet.

I glued on a new sheet of VP 41deg and it's interesting since it's quite hard, it's fast, but not bouncy. It's really crisp and hard. I think the spin is pretty awesome. It's really hard to determine between these good hard Chinese rubbers which one is spinner. H3, B2, VP, etc.
What I like is this crisp hardness the VP has but I miss that with B2 and lately with H3BS too.
I did apply booster to the VP, but only one good layer of that Faifu/Haifu white booster. It sucked in the booster fast and it curved somewhat but just a moderate curl. Anyway I didn't wanna overboost it as the 39 really reminds me of H3BS. It got soft and fast and spin is ok but it started to act like it slips the ball. I guess this happens when the topsheet is overstretched. Anyway the 41 deg is nice on W968, and I suppose it needs a bit of break in too but right on the first go it felt pretty good already.
I don't see any reason to mess with H3BS if I have to be honest... I think it's really comparable and while recent H3BS for me felt a bit slow even after boosting it with 2-3 layers, the VP is just good after one layer.
The H3BS started to turn on for me after later I boosted them again.