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One of the reasons and also I have lots of "tolerance" on the FH side to hit a ball. I just try to play a shot where I am currently standing and if the ball comes better I can hit it "faster" if not "slower".. I don´t have it developed yet to adjust my standing position to make it "perfect" so I can hit a better shot. So def need some work here...




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The first 2 games not so surprising that I won since I had won without much trouble in the first half of the season.

What was surprising was that I beat Noah 3-0!! when he had beaten me 3-1 in the first half of the season

In comparison the game back then when I had lost:

I just felt like I am a much more developed player now than him.

Overall I am still not happy with my technique. Watched all 3 games and I tend to loop with a closed to open racket angle again for some reason... But compared to first half this time my Backhand didn´t let me down. The errors got reduced by atleast 50% I would say. Also attacking long and half long serves got me in a better position immediately aswell. Also got many points from my own service or 3rd Ball attack. What are your thoughts and how can I get rid of this bad habit closed to open loop. I thought I really trained it alot just to see it´s the same as before..
Well, not surprising, because you got better! That point at 3:23 where you took 2 steps to get into the optimal position on your BH side for a FH finishing shot, that's a thing of beauty! You're getting low to loop those backspins while he's still standing up straight, contributing to his far lower consistency. You're also not just attacking those longer services, but you're moving to good position to attack them.

I wouldn't worry about the racket angle on loops. Worry about everything else, and your brain will decide for you what angle is the best. Your loops all loop fine to me, better acceleration and timing than before. You missed some when you misread the spin, it'll get better with experience.
 
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One of the reasons and also I have lots of "tolerance" on the FH side to hit a ball. I just try to play a shot where I am currently standing and if the ball comes better I can hit it "faster" if not "slower".. I don´t have it developed yet to adjust my standing position to make it "perfect" so I can hit a better shot. So def need some work here...




League games from yesterday:
The first 2 games not so surprising that I won since I had won without much trouble in the first half of the season.

What was surprising was that I beat Noah 3-0!! when he had beaten me 3-1 in the first half of the season

In comparison the game back then when I had lost:

I just felt like I am a much more developed player now than him.

Overall I am still not happy with my technique. Watched all 3 games and I tend to loop with a closed to open racket angle again for some reason... But compared to first half this time my Backhand didn´t let me down. The errors got reduced by atleast 50% I would say. Also attacking long and half long serves got me in a better position immediately aswell. Also got many points from my own service or 3rd Ball attack. What are your thoughts and how can I get rid of this bad habit closed to open loop. I thought I really trained it alot just to see it´s the same as before..
I enjoyed watching those matches Zez, well done. I think you looked very relaxed and very confident in everything you did and played very well. Congrats on the victories! 👊
 
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Just had a good trainings session yesterday at the end even with multiball (long backspin and then against block)
shortening my backspin on the forehand and starting with a more open racket so I dont go closed to open and it worked really well. Sometimes I made mistakes focusing too much on the arm movement and forgetting to use the power from the body especially hips during the stroke. But thats expected I guess when all the capacity goes on some part of the technique and you forget others.
Monday is 2nd last matchday. Gonna play vs a long pips player that I lost to (Karl-Heinz). The old dude who chops with the long pips (backhand) and gives a sidebackspin push with his forehand. Very stable. Gotta think of something on how to play vs him this time, really don´t want to lose against him again.

Also our youth coach told me that against higher blocks I don´t have to stay low with my body and can be straight to loop those balls. Is that really the case or do I make the mistake of letting the ball jump too high and should still loop with a lower stance but just take it earlier? I am really not a big fan of looping balls when its rising.
The coach is right, and in game situations it's not really your choice. If you're close to the table and the ball is high then you can't wait until it falls. Conversely if you're far from the table then it'd be tough to catch it at the high point. Your choice is more about what distance you play from the table, once that choice is made you no longer get to choose (to an extent) when to loop the ball - you' ll be looping it at the optimal distance from you, a bit to the right and in front, whether it's at the high point or falling phase.

If you're not comfortable with either then you should practice them. For example when I practice FHs I try to do so at different distances from the table, a few sets close to the table to practice looping at the high point, and a few farther away to practice the falling phase, and I do that for both FH and BH.
 
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I had your games in my youtube feed and it really brightened up my day, when I saw your game against flavio. The way he serves with all the body movement looking like he wound faint and collapse to the ground made me crack out loud.

Apart from this fun stuff these game really seamed to display improvement in your game.
 
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Well, not surprising, because you got better! That point at 3:23 where you took 2 steps to get into the optimal position on your BH side for a FH finishing shot, that's a thing of beauty! You're getting low to loop those backspins while he's still standing up straight, contributing to his far lower consistency. You're also not just attacking those longer services, but you're moving to good position to attack them.

I wouldn't worry about the racket angle on loops. Worry about everything else, and your brain will decide for you what angle is the best. Your loops all loop fine to me, better acceleration and timing than before. You missed some when you misread the spin, it'll get better with experience.
Hmm that's nice to hear you can see some improvements. He is the same player that beat the 1700RC player in our League (the only player to do so) He(1700) actually dodged him when their teams had to play against each other (some say he had shoulder injury and didnt want to risk losing to him again) But yeah today I feel like I pressured him to make bad shots more and he had less time to chose which ball to attack hard since I also used my backhand loops.
Yeah I feel like I can do little correction if I find myself in a comfortable distance to the table and pace of the ball that is coming. I do still think its a really bad habit I need to work on more when I have a way too long backswing (compared to Pros who have it close to their body) and also coming from closed to open. In training it also felt much better opening the racket more and hitting the ball that way.

Monday I will be playing this long pips player. He plays a bit of mindgames always saying how good I looped that ball after each point to break my rythm (or he is just too nice lol)

I literally know what he is doing: take it late with the long pips and give a sidebackspin push with his FH and if I do a high push to his FH back he slaps. But as you can see I was clueless on how to break his defense and was overwhelmed when he got the ball back since I was not ready to continue looping most of the time. And also too tame with my backhand back then (afraid to overshoot/thinking it has too much backspin so just focused on lifting the ball?)
Anyway with the confidence I got from last week I feel much better to win this time.
 
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The coach is right, and in game situations it's not really your choice. If you're close to the table and the ball is high then you can't wait until it falls. Conversely if you're far from the table then it'd be tough to catch it at the high point. Your choice is more about what distance you play from the table, once that choice is made you no longer get to choose (to an extent) when to loop the ball - you' ll be looping it at the optimal distance from you, a bit to the right and in front, whether it's at the high point or falling phase.

If you're not comfortable with either then you should practice them. For example when I practice FHs I try to do so at different distances from the table, a few sets close to the table to practice looping at the high point, and a few farther away to practice the falling phase, and I do that for both FH and BH.
I actually don´t do that.Usually when doing drills or practising with multiball I do it at the same distance away from the table. Also mostly when its just about to fall again. That also explains why I mostly lose balance even if I hit a "good" TS or have an unstable elbow high up to get over the ball.

Yeah he said it would be better for me to do a step forward with my right leg and take it earlier before the ball jumps too high and if it does that I don´t need to go low with my legs.
I don´t know if I should practise all those things one a time or just mix it up. Because last 2 weeks I focused more on looping backspin (attacking the long serves) and then looping against block. Just so I get my racket up after the first loop.
 
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I had your games in my youtube feed and it really brightened up my day, when I saw your game against flavio. The way he serves with all the body movement looking like he wound faint and collapse to the ground made me crack out loud.

Apart from this fun stuff these game really seamed to display improvement in your game.
have you seen the game against niko(the game before)? The only player so far except from the 1700player where I dont know where he is gonna play the next ball with all that body and arm movement xD
 
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Hmm that's nice to hear you can see some improvements. He is the same player that beat the 1700RC player in our League (the only player to do so) He(1700) actually dodged him when their teams had to play against each other (some say he had shoulder injury and didnt want to risk losing to him again) But yeah today I feel like I pressured him to make bad shots more and he had less time to chose which ball to attack hard since I also used my backhand loops.
Yeah I feel like I can do little correction if I find myself in a comfortable distance to the table and pace of the ball that is coming. I do still think its a really bad habit I need to work on more when I have a way too long backswing (compared to Pros who have it close to their body) and also coming from closed to open. In training it also felt much better opening the racket more and hitting the ball that way.

Monday I will be playing this long pips player. He plays a bit of mindgames always saying how good I looped that ball after each point to break my rythm (or he is just too nice lol)

I literally know what he is doing: take it late with the long pips and give a sidebackspin push with his FH and if I do a high push to his FH back he slaps. But as you can see I was clueless on how to break his defense and was overwhelmed when he got the ball back since I was not ready to continue looping most of the time. And also too tame with my backhand back then (afraid to overshoot/thinking it has too much backspin so just focused on lifting the ball?)
Anyway with the confidence I got from last week I feel much better to win this time.
Yes, some movement is allowing you to apply pressure on a far higher percentage of shots, not allowing him to use his big swing on your weaker returns.

As for the racket angle thing, your long backswing and the closed to open thing are related. You use a more closed to open action when the stroke is more back-to-forward than down-to-up (horizontal > vertical) and vice versa. You play from farther back from the table, so the ball is often lower, forcing you to have less down-to-up movement. Your backswing is long, so the racket starts further back, forcing you to have a more back-to-forward movement. That is, those two things combine to a less vertical and more horizontal stroke (horizontal > vertical).

If you watch the pros they adopt all sorts of racket angles, open to closed, close to open, or stable angle. That's because which one you use depends on the situation. Just imagine, if a topspin is near your head height and has arrived at you faster than expected, you'll have to use an open-to-closed stroke (vertical > horizontal). If the ball is lower and much more in front of you than expected, than you have to use a closed-to-open stroke (horizontal > vertical)

My advice thus stands as before, pay attention to everything else, but don't pay much attention to the racket angle. You can work on racket angle in practice, but what you're actually doing is just positioning yourself for the racket angle you like to perform, otherwise you're sacrificing quality and/or consistency. You always want to strike the ball with the optimal blend of vertical/horizontal movement and an optimal distance away from your body, which is why footwork is important, but no matter how good you get it won't be exactly right in game situations. Forcing a particular type of racket angle is thus a fruitless endeavor.
 
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Yes, some movement is allowing you to apply pressure on a far higher percentage of shots, not allowing him to use his big swing on your weaker returns.

As for the racket angle thing, your long backswing and the closed to open thing are related. You use a more closed to open action when the stroke is more back-to-forward than down-to-up (horizontal > vertical) and vice versa. You play from farther back from the table, so the ball is often lower, forcing you to have less down-to-up movement. Your backswing is long, so the racket starts further back, forcing you to have a more back-to-forward movement. That is, those two things combine to a less vertical and more horizontal stroke (horizontal > vertical).

If you watch the pros they adopt all sorts of racket angles, open to closed, close to open, or stable angle. That's because which one you use depends on the situation. Just imagine, if a topspin is near your head height and has arrived at you faster than expected, you'll have to use an open-to-closed stroke (vertical > horizontal). If the ball is lower and much more in front of you than expected, than you have to use a closed-to-open stroke (horizontal > vertical)

My advice thus stands as before, pay attention to everything else, but don't pay much attention to the racket angle. You can work on racket angle in practice, but what you're actually doing is just positioning yourself for the racket angle you like to perform, otherwise you're sacrificing quality and/or consistency. You always want to strike the ball with the optimal blend of vertical/horizontal movement and an optimal distance away from your body, which is why footwork is important, but no matter how good you get it won't be exactly right in game situations. Forcing a particular type of racket angle is thus a fruitless endeavor.
Yeah I realized that aswell. Whenever I decide to hit more forwards I come from way back with the backswing and go with a very closed racket forwards and then open it just before contact, which makes me question everytime when I do a mistake. Also explains why lately I have been more consistent against long backspin balls.

I actually never seen a pro go from closed to open in the FH only some do it with the backhand (especially when doing a flick on serve return)

Also a big thing I am not doing compared to pros is, they sometimes go swing all the way to the left shoulder and don´t stop at the left eye at all times like I do. Why? Yeah the stroke looks more fluent that way but I am still surprised they are not off balance after the stroke while I am sometimes off balance and not ready for the next ball.

Also any tips on how to go about the game against the long pips that I am gonna play today?
 
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Yeah I realized that aswell. Whenever I decide to hit more forwards I come from way back with the backswing and go with a very closed racket forwards and then open it just before contact, which makes me question everytime when I do a mistake. Also explains why lately I have been more consistent against long backspin balls.

I actually never seen a pro go from closed to open in the FH only some do it with the backhand (especially when doing a flick on serve return)

Also a big thing I am not doing compared to pros is, they sometimes go swing all the way to the left shoulder and don´t stop at the left eye at all times like I do. Why? Yeah the stroke looks more fluent that way but I am still surprised they are not off balance after the stroke while I am sometimes off balance and not ready for the next ball.

Also any tips on how to go about the game against the long pips that I am gonna play today?
Pros do it all the time, see Ovtcharov attempt one at the 0:40 mark here (hard to time mark as I'm on the phone). He's too far from the table and the ball was low, hence the closed to open attempt.


For the LP player, I noticed that you push only to stay in the rally and not to set up your next shot. When you push to his LP side you should be expecting a light topspin ball back, so be ready to attack that, preferably with your FH. Do that and you'll blow past him with no problem. Don't be discouraged if you miss some at first, every pips set up is a bit different, some reverse spin more than others. Loop a couple to get used to the spin and you'll get used to it. You have the skill level to kill those LP pushes with good consistency.
 
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Pros do it all the time, see Ovtcharov attempt one at the 0:40 mark here (hard to time mark as I'm on the phone). He's too far from the table and the ball was low, hence the closed to open attempt.


For the LP player, I noticed that you push only to stay in the rally and not to set up your next shot. When you push to his LP side you should be expecting a light topspin ball back, so be ready to attack that, preferably with your FH. Do that and you'll blow past him with no problem. Don't be discouraged if you miss some at first, every pips set up is a bit different, some reverse spin more than others. Loop a couple to get used to the spin and you'll get used to it. You have the skill level to kill those LP pushes with good consistency.
Yeah I know that but they never do it once in the really or against block is what I mean which is almost always the case for me.
Ok will try it just gets tricky if I lose the feeling on the loops like in that game and then lose confidence. Also not physically that fit to constantly loop either. But still would feel illegal to lose again.
 
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Yeah I know that but they never do it once in the really or against block is what I mean which is almost always the case for me.
Ok will try it just gets tricky if I lose the feeling on the loops like in that game and then lose confidence. Also not physically that fit to constantly loop either. But still would feel illegal to lose again.
Haha, believe in yourself! They're no different than soft blocks, and I think you can loop them all day long. Speaking of which, pros don't usually soft block, and they try really, really hard not be farther from the table than they need to. That's why you see far more of the open to closed loops on the FH side. You give up the table way too soon, I think maybe partly because you're not as comfortable with looping at an earlier timing. Your opponents also soft block quite often, so you end up facing the situation where the ball is farther in front of you more often than you'd like.
 
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Haha, believe in yourself! They're no different than soft blocks, and I think you can loop them all day long. Speaking of which, pros don't usually soft block, and they try really, really hard not be farther from the table than they need to. That's why you see far more of the open to closed loops on the FH side. You give up the table way too soon, I think maybe partly because you're not as comfortable with looping at an earlier timing. Your opponents also soft block quite often, so you end up facing the situation where the ball is farther in front of you more often than you'd like.
Yeah I think you are right I give up the table too fast too quick especially my FH side. With my backhand I can just take it later with my stance and position but the entire halflongish FH side is not loopable in that position without having to move first (usually I am too late to recognize / or feel safer to just shovel it back to not give up my backhand side)

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Here are the games from this weeks Match.
Not quite happy with how I played this time. The only good ball exchange I remember was against stevo 2nd last ball before I won. It was hard to get into rally comfortably with all the placement and tempo changes against him. Andy played too risky so that helped me win some easy points. And the game against lefty didn't count since we won the previous game (still ended up winning though but we were not that focused)


Next week gonna Play against Wolfgang and his Team which is 1st Place in the standings and he is 2nd Place in the singles (some of you watched that game in this thread from the last time already) Played him twice so far both times 5th set to 9 and last time to 8. This time I will have no time for a proper warmup because of ramadan(having to eat and drink 30min before it starts + 15min drive - will arrive when the match starts basically lol) so it's gonna be interesting how it ends up.

If todays training session will go well I will use the new setup (same rubbers different blade).
 
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it will be interesting if you actually feel a difference with the new blade.

i watched one and a half match of yours and i wondered why the opponents were quite confident either blocking or even countering back the forehand loops. Dignics 09c is known for great spin and i would have assumed with you playing a league lower that these people would struggle more with "above average" spin.
It is hard to tell by the footage how much spin is in there, but the arc (of your forehand loop) is often quite low probably favouring power over spin, which might be more comfortable to your opponents.

Looking forward to your joyride with the w968
 
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it will be interesting if you actually feel a difference with the new blade.

i watched one and a half match of yours and i wondered why the opponents were quite confident either blocking or even countering back the forehand loops. Dignics 09c is known for great spin and i would have assumed with you playing a league lower that these people would struggle more with "above average" spin.
It is hard to tell by the footage how much spin is in there, but the arc (of your forehand loop) is often quite low probably favouring power over spin, which might be more comfortable to your opponents.

Looking forward to your joyride with the w968
yeah especially Stevo had no problems blocking my topspins with his backhand. But then again these opponents are veterans. They all tend to have a really good block but weak attack or any other passive shot ability. They only have the block basically.

What also stands out is that if I loop very slow they have more problems or if I loop with a high arc (slow) but that only works till I face someone who claps those back (which some can do). Right now I just focus on getting into the rally even though I know my opening ball is not very dangerous. I focus more on the next Ball to hit that one with more pressure.
 
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Alright in 2 days (thursday) I will be playing my last league games till October when the new season begins. It's gonna be against first place. We won't be relegated so both teams can play without pressure (only for gaining singles points or losing them lol)

Yesterdays practise didn't go so well. Trained with long pips player. I didn't like slow over the table short balls at all. And when they came long it had no rotation and kind of flew in a line and then *blop* fell down. Just threw those balls all over the table. Even though I beat him in Matchplay 3-1 I don't feel good about the upcoming games.

Anyway I want to analyze this game with you guys. And note some points that went good/bad. Because I feel like he dominated the entire match against me, and I just played in "survive-mode" and actually survived somehow.
Had no special tactics other than trying to remember the good serves that worked and when he served I tried to put the ball short back (after 1 set) that was it basically.

Sure I could default to that same playstyle on Thursday but it leaves a bad taste winning like this and there is no guarentee to win like this again. There is another Video of us (3-2 11-9) for me with the same playstyle.


I also don't have a problem with his serves compared to this guy:
Also I don't have a video from this season against him. We just played in a tournament (twice lol) one time I won one time he. I really struggle against this specific serve. I seem to struggle more when he does this serve from his far FH side parallel to my backhand. He also does it to my FH (80%bh 20% FH) and forces me to loop. My loops feel so inconsistent it's mostly just pray and if it has weak quality he pressures me with an active block/flip. I am just stupid to read the spin because if he puts only side or sidetop the ball has still the same speed and length. 2 years ago I beat him confidently had no problem with his serves but when looking at my technique back then it feels random and I can't see a pattern. And back then I am pretty sure I couldn't read if it had backspin or topspin/only sidespin. It just came back on the table. Maybe I have to switch to Rakza 7 again lol (I think I had R7 not too sure)

(first set there are 3 more sets where he kept doing this serve)
 
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Alright in 2 days (thursday) I will be playing my last league games till October when the new season begins. It's gonna be against first place. We won't be relegated so both teams can play without pressure (only for gaining singles points or losing them lol)

Yesterdays practise didn't go so well. Trained with long pips player. I didn't like slow over the table short balls at all. And when they came long it had no rotation and kind of flew in a line and then *blop* fell down. Just threw those balls all over the table. Even though I beat him in Matchplay 3-1 I don't feel good about the upcoming games.

Anyway I want to analyze this game with you guys. And note some points that went good/bad. Because I feel like he dominated the entire match against me, and I just played in "survive-mode" and actually survived somehow.
Had no special tactics other than trying to remember the good serves that worked and when he served I tried to put the ball short back (after 1 set) that was it basically.

Sure I could default to that same playstyle on Thursday but it leaves a bad taste winning like this and there is no guarentee to win like this again. There is another Video of us (3-2 11-9) for me with the same playstyle.


I also don't have a problem with his serves compared to this guy:
Also I don't have a video from this season against him. We just played in a tournament (twice lol) one time I won one time he. I really struggle against this specific serve. I seem to struggle more when he does this serve from his far FH side parallel to my backhand. He also does it to my FH (80%bh 20% FH) and forces me to loop. My loops feel so inconsistent it's mostly just pray and if it has weak quality he pressures me with an active block/flip. I am just stupid to read the spin because if he puts only side or sidetop the ball has still the same speed and length. 2 years ago I beat him confidently had no problem with his serves but when looking at my technique back then it feels random and I can't see a pattern. And back then I am pretty sure I couldn't read if it had backspin or topspin/only sidespin. It just came back on the table. Maybe I have to switch to Rakza 7 again lol (I think I had R7 not too sure)

(first set there are 3 more sets where he kept doing this serve)
You're looking better each week! Wolfgang is a tough nut to crack, glad to see you overcoming him! Your opening up on both sides is getting better, just need to learn a more hitting stroke against those pop up backspins. It's tough to brush loop backspins that aren't below net height unless they're very long.

I see much better anticipation from you, moving into position counter attack when you see him giving you something a bit weak. That combined with your improving opening loops put a lot of pressure on him, forcing him to try to open up sometimes when he doesn't feel quite as comfortable, and forcing him to increase the quality of his attacks at the expense of consistency. Before if he paused his attack and gave you a transition shot, you would either block it back which would be an easy kill for him, or you'd realize it too late and attempt a counter attack while having not had any time to move into position for one. Similarly with his pushes. He knows that when you push long that he needs to open up, even if he isn't in the best position to do so, because if he pushes it back then you're gonna open up and with the improved consistency of your attacks he's likely to lose that point.

Keep up the good work!
 
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You're looking better each week! Wolfgang is a tough nut to crack, glad to see you overcoming him! Your opening up on both sides is getting better, just need to learn a more hitting stroke against those pop up backspins. It's tough to brush loop backspins that aren't below net height unless they're very long.

I see much better anticipation from you, moving into position counter attack when you see him giving you something a bit weak. That combined with your improving opening loops put a lot of pressure on him, forcing him to try to open up sometimes when he doesn't feel quite as comfortable, and forcing him to increase the quality of his attacks at the expense of consistency. Before if he paused his attack and gave you a transition shot, you would either block it back which would be an easy kill for him, or you'd realize it too late and attempt a counter attack while having not had any time to move into position for one. Similarly with his pushes. He knows that when you push long that he needs to open up, even if he isn't in the best position to do so, because if he pushes it back then you're gonna open up and with the improved consistency of your attacks he's likely to lose that point.

Keep up the good work!
Wow ok I didn't think about this that I unintentionally had him under pressure aswell. I always thought I am the one constantly under pressure since he opened up so early.

Overall I feel more comfortable against players like him, because I change the rthym of the ball subconsiously and they eventually risk too much and make an unforced error.

I already wrote down that I should keep that up with short and long pushes and just be ready that he is gonna open up. This time I will try and see if I can countertopspin those balls if not I will just default back to blocking.

Against the 2nd dude just pray that I can loop his long serves. If I miss a few I really get uncomfortable and unstable.
 
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Alright played my final games for this Season with my new W968-2 Blade!:
I don't know how you guys will see the games but I think this was the best I have played in the entire season (not just saying because I won or because of the blade) I played some really nasty backhands and forehands that felt really good to finally show it in actual matches aswell.
Only struggeled against Günter.
Wolfgang played 15+ years a league above this one - so a veteran and technically could have played there this year aswell if they didn't have a new addition that was younger. Same with Günter even though not as many times as Wolfgang but you can see his skill is still pretty good especially his serves and over the table.

if you are interested in my thoughts about each game - I put my comments in the description of each game (in german) So you can just use a translator.

Hope you like my performance and yes I know I couldn't implement all the things we had discussed over the past months here. But I could still feel some improvement. Excited to hear your thoughts. I have 6 Months no League game for now, so will be just training and thinking about my future (if I should change the club and join some other there are 3 teams that come in to my mind that I could ask (to play in the higher league - we ended up 6th this season so no promotion)
Here the standings - I ended up 3rd Place quite happy about that:
 

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i only watched the match against the girl so far and in the first set you were really timid and passive. Did you think that you would win anyways or did you feel ill or that you lack energy ? There were quite some situations where you pushed long to your wide backhand and instead of moving 50cm to the left and looping it, you lazily leaned to the left and chopped it back instead of attacking.

I actually liked how she played because she did "the right shots" even though she failed to execute them at times, but she kept using offensive strokes regardless, not falling back pushing or chopping even after failing to backhand flip sometimes.
 
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