Finally tested Spinsight - What helped you to increase spin in your game?

[doppelmoral]

One of my clubmates brought a Spinsight setup to our facility yesterday. I had the brief opportunity to try it out, and had very similar results to when I tested it at WTT Frankfurt: about 125 rps on forehand, about 110 rps on backhand

I am hovering around 1600ttr, I think my spin values are about average. two of my clubmates with 1700ttr managed 140 rps on both forehand and backhand. On the Spinsight website (FAQ), they state that "On average, how much spin do professional players generate in revolutions per second (rps)? -> 125 rps for female pros and 140 rps for male pros."

It made me think about what is needed to increase my spin. Obviously I have some kind of understanding on how to create spin, but what can I do to make my shots even spinnier. I am mostly curious to hear about other players here that already had solid spin but were able to increase it to high amount of spin. what helped you to make the next step? Are there specific technical aspects you focussed on?

Cheers

 

[Tyce]

I think you need to become good friends with this guy and try out different things. Because honestly it could be anything from timing, angle, racket speed, swing path, braking point, you name it.
Ideally you want to know where you are coming up short and work from there.

 

[ck1407]

Usually to get more spin, you need to have your body as relax as possible to get that whip effect. When people say "use your wrist", based on my understanding, it is to keep it reasonably loose so that you get that whip effect rather than to muscle the shot using your wrist. Every joint in your body helps to create the whip. All these is provided you have good contact with the ball during the stroke.

But with all that said, spin the ball enough to execute your game.
Female meta is focus on close to the table rallies so shots are more direct with emphasis of speed and placement, hence they don't require to spin as much.
Male meta has a mix of close to table attackers and mid to far loopers so naturally the average spin value will be higher.

 

[Lula]

It must depends on the ball? Easier against low ball and backspin ball?
Also need good equipment.

Technically I think:
- use forearm and get some wrist at the end
- relax and tense
- go from 0-100. Need to happen a lot at ballcontact
- close racket angle and brush

Also try a lot with the spinsight.

Also interesting to think if it always good to get a lot of spin? Think harder strokes in general are more thick with less spin. Aswell if you hit at the top of the bounce and hit forward.

 

[victormanriquey]

It made me think about what is needed to increase my spin. Obviously I have some kind of understanding on how to create spin, but what can I do to make my shots even spinnier. I am mostly curious to hear about other players here that already had solid spin but were able to increase it to high amount of spin. what helped you to make the next step? Are there specific technical aspects you focussed on?

Purely spin or also power? Because spin only nowadays is not as relevant anymore

For pure spin, brushing heavily with a very sticky rubber while relax-explode using the body first then the fingers is probably the best way.

For true power you need to hit into the sponge, no other way, it may deliver less spin nowadays but has more danger!

 

[K.K]

my harder shots had more spin than the slower/softer ones wich felt a bit weird since my slow openings get blocked out of the table really often and the harder ones not. same with my serves, the most spinny ones are not as effective as the ones where the deception is greater then the spin i can put in, so maybe it doesn't matter so much for your game how much spin you can create if there is not a significant problem or you are a professional player with coaching that assist you and to get the last 5% edge over your game. but as an amateur i found it interesting to know but not really helping or translating for my game

but if you want a higher rep try harder strokes not softer ones

 

[Tyce]

my harder shots had more spin than the slower/softer ones wich felt a bit weird since my slow openings get blocked out of the table really often and the harder ones not.

This is definitely true. Check the TTD vid with Hugo Calderano, his gigantic RPS hits look like slaps more than loops.
Slow loops are hard to block because they basically only engage the topsheet, not allowing you to take control of the spin using sponge (and blade).

same with my serves, the most spinny ones are not as effective as the ones where the deception is greater then the spin i can put in, so maybe it doesn't matter so much for your game how much spin you can create if there is not a significant problem or you are a professional player with coaching that assist you and to get the last 5% edge over your game. but as an amateur i found it interesting to know but not really helping or translating for my game

I was known as a "serve cannon" in the cell age (not my words) winning so many points outright on serve where the opponent knew full well what I was doing but couldn't return it. That element is dead. I have to combine spin with placement and trickery now for outright points, and they are few and far between even against much lower rated players. More often than not, I get my own mess handed back to me

but if you want a higher rep try harder strokes not softer ones

100%

 

[Julzig]

I plan on buying some Spinsight balls aswell and integrate it into training the youth. But these Balls are so expensive.
I wonder if just painting them in the same spots will work. Or if some offbrand stuff will drop by Loki or whoever.
Anyone willing to try? 😆

Btw, what speeds are you guys hitting?

 

[chinacurious]

Check the TTD vid with Hugo Calderano, his gigantic RPS hits look like slaps more than loops.

You mean the one where he gets like 190 rps on first try? Was that TTD or Pongfinity? Either way, I suspect it was a measuring error. I had one in that range that clearly was a wrong result.

 

[Tyce]

Oh that could have been pongfinity lol. I don't quite think it was an error as it was a really hard, clean hit.

 

[chinacurious]

Oh that could have been pongfinity lol. I don't quite think it was an error as it was a really hard, clean hit.

I just saw Gauzy and Otto got over 170 rps, so 190 doesn't seem as extreme as I thought. (changed my previous message)

 

[doppelmoral]

my harder shots had more spin than the slower/softer ones wich felt a bit weird since my slow openings get blocked out of the table really often and the harder ones not. same with my serves, the most spinny ones are not as effective as the ones where the deception is greater then the spin i can put in, so maybe it doesn't matter so much for your game how much spin you can create if there is not a significant problem or you are a professional player with coaching that assist you and to get the last 5% edge over your game. but as an amateur i found it interesting to know but not really helping or translating for my game

but if you want a higher rep try harder strokes not softer ones

very interesting. in fact, my playstyle is known to be very safe. I usually go for attacking strokes but rely on safety, high arc, stability. I usually dont do very fast shots. When I used Spinsight, I did my usual shots, more slow and spinny. maybe I should try to go for some power shots next time.

to be honest, I dont feel like spin is what is missing in my game. it happens often that people block out my shots, especially when I use backhand (much more so than forehand even though my forehand is spinnier). What is lacking in my game is placement, better tactics, and being able to add more power in crucial moments.

Still, I was just curious on how to achieve more spin, so thanks for your insights. Also, I tested with fastarc g1 on both sides (my spare racket), should try with the typical hurricane 3 bs setup next time. both of my friends who had 140 spin really play bomba style, so then it makes sense that their spin was alot higher I guess (but probably their technique might also be a bit better)

your comment on serves are also interesting. my serves were never the spinniest but people have problems with my hook serve just because it can be deceiving with the after motion. So I agree the spinniest shots are not necessarily the most effective shots, but still having the possbility to play as spinny as possible is also important for one's repertoire

 

[Lula]

Interesting to reverse engineer. Do multiball or Spinsight and adjust technique according to results and not the opposite.

 

[Zezima]

I know its not the topics focus but why do people care so much about achieving high rps when they can hit 120+ which is plenty. I feel like consistency(arc) and placement and overall shot selection (many players not realizing that more balls are attackable than they think) is a bigger issue. I feel like the rps when standing perfect to the ball is just useless. How often does that happen in a match? And even then placement is more important.

When I shortly tried out spinsight with a random used racket that they gave to me I achieved 130with my fh. But I do remember they had a different stat showing the pace to spin ratio. I think looking at that number and varying your topspin is more effective than going for max each time. After all we don't have the same recovery speed as the pros. And when I look at how some 2000+ play it's not the one winning that generates most spin or power.

If you still want to achieve a higher rps. I would recommend med ball throws. Abs workout. And focusing on getting the initial acceleration with the legs. Just at contact you use the wrist and holding the racket tighter.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

the answer is Zyre03

 

[songdavid98]

why do people care so much about achieving high rps when they can hit 120+ which is plenty

varying your topspin is more effective than going for max each time

The higher your max, the more you can vary.

Example:
If your maximum is 130 and your minimum is 100, my opponent needs to worry about 100-130.
If my maximum is 140 and my minimum is 100, my opponent needs to worry about 100-140.

Just from the spin, I have more variation than you.

I oversimplified it, but I hope you all understand why max matters.

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Just from personal experience, every player and coach I've met knows / tells me I'm the spinniest.
In matches, they often need to prepare for my max. When I choose to do less, they hit the net.

This isn't just loops. This is serves too. They'll have to prepare for my max backspin, and when I choose to do less, they return high.

 

[songdavid98]

One of my clubmates brought a Spinsight setup to our facility yesterday. I had the brief opportunity to try it out, and had very similar results to when I tested it at WTT Frankfurt: about 125 rps on forehand, about 110 rps on backhand

I am hovering around 1600ttr, I think my spin values are about average. two of my clubmates with 1700ttr managed 140 rps on both forehand and backhand. On the Spinsight website (FAQ), they state that "On average, how much spin do professional players generate in revolutions per second (rps)? -> 125 rps for female pros and 140 rps for male pros."

It made me think about what is needed to increase my spin. Obviously I have some kind of understanding on how to create spin, but what can I do to make my shots even spinnier. I am mostly curious to hear about other players here that already had solid spin but were able to increase it to high amount of spin. what helped you to make the next step? Are there specific technical aspects you focussed on?

Cheers

Just loop harder.

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For the people who think they are smart:
Technical aspects:

• more racket speed
  • use the fastest section of your swing
  • wrist if you aren't using it already
  • go to the gym
• racket angle
  • close your racket, duh
• backswing
  • bigger (against your coach's wishes probably)

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What I did (what actually works)

If I loop into the net: Loop Harder
If I loop out: Close the racket angle

Trying to maintain a good-looking technique will probably prevent you from looping harder.
You just have to accept that closing the racket angle and looping hard will make your loops look funky sometimes.
And you'll break some "good technique" rules too, especially if you're a bit out of position or have less time.
It's why professionals occasionally do funky-looking loops.

 

[Dr Evil]

Things that helped me: braking earlier, more core tension, wider stance, new rubber.

 

[banbekas]

What to do?
1. Close your racket angle.
2. Dig the sponge more.

That's it.

 

[Takkyu_ga_suki]

One of my clubmates brought a Spinsight setup to our facility yesterday. I had the brief opportunity to try it out, and had very similar results to when I tested it at WTT Frankfurt: about 125 rps on forehand, about 110 rps on backhand

Are you achieving 125 rps when you are fed a ball, one at a time, or are you achieving 125 rps on forehand rallies (or both)?