Friendship 729 battle 3

[merlin el mago]

Hell, yeah, it spins and purrs…
Haven’t caught anything with it yet…

Cheers
L-zr

Surely needs more booster....

 

[Grumms]

Received mine this week. Measured at 50º, 4º more than my Big Dipper 38º. I'll try it unboosted tomorrow, and estimate if it needs boosting or not.

 

[Grumms]

I played with it yesterday. It's too hard for me compared to the Arthur China. It's nice for big hits, but I'm not a hitter, so I'll pass, at least on my Long V. Maybe worth the try on my Outter carbon blades.

 

[_ak]

which hardness? Play a bit longer with it, the topsheet will get a bit softer

 

[Grumms]

which hardness? Play a bit longer with it, the topsheet will get a bit softer

38°, measured at 50° Shore-C. 2nd hardest sponge I have behind my Bloom Power measured @52°.

 

[Brozi]

which hardness? Play a bit longer with it, the topsheet will get a bit softer

Yeahh, it does indeed. Makes it easier to hit through and spin the ball, although I feel like its harder to hit through than the Battle II, which is strange, since the former is supposed to be harder..

 

[_ak]

I didn't manage to get along with B2, fine with B3 🤷‍♂️

 

[Grumms]

Yeahh, it does indeed. Makes it easier to hit through and spin the ball, although I feel like its harder to hit through than the Battle II, which is strange, since the former is supposed to be harder..

"Supposed" is the main word. Measure to be sure which one is harder. 50° is pretty hard for an announced 38° rubber. Not sure it fits my style and my (approximative) technique.

 

[_ak]

38 in DHS scale is approximately 50 in ESN scale

 

[Grumms]

38 in DHS scale is approximately 50 in ESN scale

None of my 38 DHS are near 50. Big DIpper 38 is measured @47. Jupiter 3 38° is measured under 44. Arthur China supposed to be 40 DHS is measured at 46°. Their is absolutely no consistency between what the manufacturers claim and what you get for real.

 

[KenTT]

I played with it yesterday. It's too hard for me compared to the Arthur China. It's nice for big hits, but I'm not a hitter, so I'll pass, at least on my Long V. Maybe worth the try on my Outter carbon blades.

I use the B3 39 and it is hard. I apply 2 layers of booster and it becomes my best forehand rubber.

 

[turbozed]

None of my 38 DHS are near 50. Big DIpper 38 is measured @47. Jupiter 3 38° is measured under 44. Arthur China supposed to be 40 DHS is measured at 46°. Their is absolutely no consistency between what the manufacturers claim and what you get for real.

Thats bizarre. My LAC is 52d on my durometer and my Jupiter 3 38 is 50 on my durometer.

I can't imagine a world where either of them are as soft as my Fastarc rubbers.

Maybe your durometer is broken?

 

[latej]

Yeahh, it does indeed. Makes it easier to hit through and spin the ball, although I feel like its harder to hit through than the Battle II, which is strange, since the former is supposed to be harder..

Fwiw, I have the same impression ;-) I actually bought the B3 H39 for a friend, but when I tried it, I had a problem with the top-sheet, not the sponge. As you say, I felt the top-sheet is overly hard, and I thought no amount of boosting will make this right... Anyway, this might have been just my batch... Others here reported different things... But for me the matter is settled ;-) Bye B3, and cheers to you all ;-)

 

[Grumms]

Thats bizarre. My LAC is 52d on my durometer and my Jupiter 3 38 is 50 on my durometer.

I can't imagine a world where either of them are as soft as my Fastarc rubbers.

Maybe your durometer is broken?

We probably don't use the Durometer the same way. As soon as the flat surface touch the sponge, I stop pushing. Maybe you just push harder. My Durometer is brand new. I have nothing to tare it. I just have a Shore A to compare to. Whatever, the important thing is the relative value compared to my different rubbers, so that my impression can be validated or invalidated by th measurement. Battle 3 is harder than my LAC, whatever the absolute measure is.

 

[Grumms]

Fwiw, I have the same impression ;-) I actually bought the B3 H39 for a friend, but when I tried it, I had a problem with the top-sheet, not the sponge. As you say, I felt the top-sheet is overly hard, and I thought no amount of boosting will make this right... Anyway, this might have been just my batch... Others here reported different things... But for me the matter is settled ;-) Bye B3, and cheers to you all ;-)

I'll measure the top sheet tonight.

 

[turbozed]

We probably don't use the Durometer the same way. As soon as the flat surface touch the sponge, I stop pushing. Maybe you just push harder. My Durometer is brand new. I have nothing to tare it. I just have a Shore A to compare to. Whatever, the important thing is the relative value compared to my different rubbers, so that my impression can be validated or invalidated by th measurement. Battle 3 is harder than my LAC, whatever the absolute measure is.

Did your durometer come with an instruction page on how to use it? Mine did and it shows that you need to hold the thing with two hands (index fingers on the bottom near the pin, thumbs near the top). Press down with both thumbs. Wish I had taken a scan of it because I see a lot of people using it in different ways leading to different results.

Do you measure from the top sheet and from the sponge side and see the difference. I measure both and sometimes the top sheet side is significantly harder than the sponge itself (sometimes 2-4 degrees). So the sponge itself maybe 40d when you measure the back side.

 

[Grumms]

I have the same instruction manual. We probably have the same Durometer.

I measured some top sheets, and indeed it is often 2° or more harder. But I wrote down only the sponge side measurement.

 

[lt kettch]

Read through the thread again, I recall that people say B3 is good with harder (koto outer) blades and someone said it's ok with the Fang Bo 2... Has anyone tried it with the HL5/W968?

Elastic top sheet sounds appealing for over the table backhand brushy shots.

Also, has anyone tried boosting B3 with haifu yellow?

Thanks!

 

[_ak]

it's ok with the Fang Bo 2

I keep saying that. I also have it on Innerforce ALC, which is 1g lighter than B2, the same sickness, a bit faster and stiffer though. I was switching between bats and finally picked B2 as the main one, it gives me better feel and I can hit harder with it. The throw is quite high though

Didn't try Yellow National booster though. just a layer of regular Seamoon with moderate curl was enough for me.

 

[lt kettch]

IIRC, Bo 2 is the same composition as HL5 but a little stiffer? If battle 3 is alright on Bo 2, it'll probably be fine on HL5... right? Ha ha