german bundesliga

[XpingpingpongpongX]

because they currently dont like the idea of me going to another country for a year. so i am writing a letter with my teachers signatures saying that yes, we support this idea of me going. so that my parents will let me go

I really doubt your teachers can convince your parents. Maybe for this Christmas, you can have a tour at a TT training center with your parents. There, you and your parents can talk to the coaches, other players at your age, and other parents. Both you and your parents would get the real expectation.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I really doubt your teachers can convince your parents. Maybe for this Christmas, you can have a tour at a TT training center with your parents. There, you and your parents can talk to the coaches, other players at your age, and other parents. Both you and your parents would get the real expectation.

he has it all figured out,
Just with no parental support or funding.
meaning, its just a plan in his head and nothing materialized in the past 4 months - sad.

That is why parents need to be involved on the set go.
it is clear the parents knows this kid more than all of us

 

[ThePongCommenter]

because they currently dont like the idea of me going to another country for a year. so i am writing a letter with my teachers signatures saying that yes, we support this idea of me going. so that my parents will let me go

Cute idea but your schoolteachers aren't going to change your parents' minds about something this important.

Didn't you say on an earlier thread that there is a more reputable training center like an hour from where you live but even that is too far for your parents to drive you to train? You think that if they aren't going to even commit to a one hour drive they will let you go to another country?

And you think that you are working harder than all the other kids. Guess what I know many parents and kids that made the sacrifices to drive far more than 1 hour each way every weekend just to access better training. I know many families that moved across the country so their kid can have better training. I know parents who quit their jobs to support their kids journey full time. And you think you are working harder than all of them.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I know my chances are slim and many of you say "impossible" and maybe you are right. maybe I am a "Loss kid" but I dont like to think that about myself. I am working hard, and here is my prediction.
next year in 2026 or near the end of the year I will be leaving to go to sweden for 10 months, and train like i never have. i will come back very good, and i will set up a better more intense training schedule with my coaches like we have already been talking about together.

Good attitude. Why have you not already set up and started the "better more intense training schedule" with your coaches?

 

[KTableTennis]

we are working on it. its hard because everyone is really busy. but our plan is to do afterschool training monday-friday for 3 hours then 4- 5 hour practices on the weekends. I of course do extra at my house with my robot

 

[ThePongCommenter]

we are working on it. its hard because everyone is really busy. but our plan is to do afterschool training monday-friday for 3 hours then 4- 5 hour practices on the weekends. I of course do extra at my house with my robot

Most of your competition (or the people you think are your competition but in reality are far beyond your level and experience) are already doing this and have been doing it for years. As Tony said, I'm not sure how much longer you think you have to wait.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I know my chances are slim and many of you say "impossible" and maybe you are right. maybe I am a "Loss kid" but I dont like to think that about myself. I am working hard, and here is my prediction.
next year in 2026 or near the end of the year I will be leaving to go to sweden for 10 months, and train like i never have. i will come back very good, and i will set up a better more intense training schedule with my coaches like we have already been talking about together.

One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned to you yet, and you won't like to hear it.... but a visiting 12 year old 1800 American player is not going to be the focus of coaches when you go to an international academy. You see this happen all the time and often end up with situations where going international is a waste of time.

It is also very ridiculous that you are considering going to another country when you are so far from even being the best player in your own local area and don't even bother to go to the club an hour drive away that has a history of producing top juniors. Usually going overseas is done by rapidly improving elite players who have surpassed the level of everyone locally or nationally.

But this is all ridiculous anyways so...

 

[NextLevel]

One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned to you yet, and you won't like to hear it.... but a visiting 12 year old 1800 American player is not going to be the focus of coaches when you go to an international academy. You see this happen all the time and often end up with situations where going international is a waste of time.

It is also very ridiculous that you are considering going to another country when you are so far from even being the best player in your own local area and don't even bother to go to the club an hour drive away that has a history of producing top juniors. Usually going overseas is done by rapidly improving elite players who have surpassed the level of everyone locally or nationally.

But this is all ridiculous anyways so...

Is he on Washington DC? I thought I recognized that club...

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Is he on Washington DC? I thought I recognized that club...

According to USATT and his prior posts about his coach, yes.

 

[NextLevel]

@KTableTennis ,

While you might think you are unique, you are not the first person or the last person to have this idea. The main difference between you and other people i remember who had similar ideas is that they acted pn the ideas more effectively. In fact, after I posted about and got a reply on the Alguettis, I googled them and came across the name Keenan Southall again. And I know a few people who went from training a little to investing more time into training, some adults who quit the day jobs to play TT full time with their savings, others intermediates eho wanted to give TT more time, and some pros who felt investing much more time into training would increase their level. None of them saw radical changes in level , the best results were achieved by those who started young, and the second best results were from thoae who were extremely talented athletes and intellectuals combined who put hours over years to get to semi-professional level.

You are really behind the curve right now. And the curve isn't all about time, it is also about starting early enough that reading the game becomes a part of your cerebral cortex core and gets given time to grow with experience. If your time in the mile makes you have qoeld class athlete potential that is a good thing but TT is just as much as and likely more a skill than a test of athletic ability.

Good luck. Bowing out though I warn you that if moderation returns to this forum any time soon, your posting will likely be a target.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned to you yet, and you won't like to hear it.... but a visiting 12 year old 1800 American player is not going to be the focus of coaches when you go to an international academy. You see this happen all the time and often end up with situations where going international is a waste of time.

i've talked about it, he did hear it, or probably put my words in the garbage can already.
i suggest the only way is to buy a coach to focus on him.
else, he is just at the back of the group and the coaches will no doubt focus on the ones in the front - a chance to go up to the next tier.

It is also very ridiculous that you are considering going to another country when you are so far from even being the best player in your own local area and don't even bother to go to the club an hour drive away that has a history of producing top juniors. Usually going overseas is done by rapidly improving elite players who have surpassed the level of everyone locally or nationally.

But this is all ridiculous anyways so...

indeed, you and many said it so many times.
but his level is jumping up and down
he beats 2000, he is soon to be 2100, but now he is back to 1800

as I said, the kids parent knows this kid well. its wise they are not allowing him to go overseas.

You need to tick many boxes, for a sane parent to invest and for the whole family to make huge sacrifices, and sadly, there isn't too many boxes tick.

I guess this is where we say, welcome to the latest gen kids.
haven't even touch the real hardship of training (which is available in the USA), and already think way too ahead of himself.

 

[piligrim]

I think OP should see positive sides even if he won't be top player. I mean he already on level that many players include me can only dream to reach. If he keep training he can get around 2300 maybe. It's not what he wants but it still very high level. In area I leave there is only few players in this level

 

[piligrim]

@KTableTennis ,

While you might think you are unique, you are not the first person or the last person to have this idea. The main difference between you and other people i remember who had similar ideas is that they acted pn the ideas more effectively. In fact, after I posted about and got a reply on the Alguettis, I googled them and came across the name Keenan Southall again. And I know a few people who went from training a little to investing more time into training, some adults who quit the day jobs to play TT full time with their savings, others intermediates eho wanted to give TT more time, and some pros who felt investing much more time into training would increase their level. None of them saw radical changes in level , the best results were achieved by those who started young, and the second best results were from thoae who were extremely talented athletes and intellectuals combined who put hours over years to get to semi-professional level.

Don't forget about physical limitation. Even if you quit job you won't able to train much more if you have bad stamina, elbow, knees and back pain.

 

[XpingpingpongpongX]

he beats 2000, he is soon to be 2100, but now he is back to 1800

as I said, the kids parent knows this kid well. its wise they are not allowing him to go overseas.

He and his coach probably just misjudged his level at the beginning. Winning against a 2000 rating because you are familiar with his/her style is misleading. when you go to a tournament, you could easily lose to some 1600 players simply because you can't handle the stress or their serve.

And I agree, most parents won't allow this. Unless a prominent coach comes and says your kid is once in a generation type of genius in TT.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

He and his coach probably just misjudged his level at the beginning.

And I agree, most parents won't allow this. Unless a prominent coach comes and says your kid is once in a generation type of genius in TT.

Yep
there was a lot of misjudging.
The kid and the coach also misjudge the coaches level.

And should another 10 or 20 people can come and tell the kid the same info, probably won't able help his confusion.

The kid probably thinks there is a shortcut and he can just bypass years of table tennis training. I want this recipe if it exists

I think the only person from the kids circle that has clear sense on what is going on is probably the parents, or at least, I hope

 

[ThePongCommenter]

He and his coach probably just misjudged his level at the beginning. Winning against a 2000 rating because you are familiar with his/her style is misleading. when you go to a tournament, you could easily lose to some 1600 players simply because you can't handle the stress or their serve.

And I agree, most parents won't allow this. Unless a prominent coach comes and says your kid is once in a generation type of genius in TT.

It is common for coaches to give encouraging assessments to their students about their level, and things can fluctuate a lot. KTT did in fact have some close matches (but not wins) against 2000-2100 players back in the summer, and then in his handful of tournaments since then has been completely uncompetitive against 2000 level competition losing decisively 0-3 in almost all of those matches. Obviously we don't know what is happening in practice or at the club but that is what the USATT record shows.

Maybe he is going through a down or growth period but I can say pretty confidently that if he isn't showing an actual 2000 level very soon, the chances of his goals become more and more impossible.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Yep
there was a lot of misjudging.
The kid and the coach also misjudge the coaches level.

And should another 10 or 20 people can come and tell the kid the same info, probably won't able help his confusion.

The kid probably thinks there is a shortcut and he can just bypass years of table tennis training. I want this recipe if it exists

I think the only person from the kids circle that has clear sense on what is going on is probably the parents, or at least, I hope

Given that he pretty blatantly lied about his around the net shot occurring in a match, and the wrong information about his coaches now includes multiple coaches, I am inclined to believe that he is the source of the false information.

It almost feels like there's a good chance his coaches told him to be realistic, he didn't like their answer, and now is coming to the forum for validation of his goals to run off to Europe when he hasn't even conquered his local area.

I can't imagine two of his coaches who are pretty good players and did play in the lower European leagues would recommend that as a next step to a 12 year old who wouldn't even win a club or city round robin.

 

[NextLevel]

Given that he pretty blatantly lied about his around the net shot occurring in a match, and the wrong information about his coaches now includes multiple coaches, I am inclined to believe that he is the source of the false information.

It almost feels like there's a good chance his coaches told him to be realistic, he didn't like their answer, and now is coming to the forum for validation of his goals to run off to Europe when he hasn't even conquered his local area.

I can't imagine two of his coaches who are pretty good players and did play in the lower European leagues would recommend that as a next step to a 12 year old who wouldn't even win a club or city round robin.

Yeah, Martin and Khaleel play a lot of TT and are strong players, they wouldn't pump up a kid for no good reason.

 

[pong99]

Logical next step for OP is to enter the U13 at the US Open next month. Then he can get a realistic view of where he stands among his peers.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Logical next step for OP is to enter the U13 at the US Open next month. Then he can get a realistic view of where he stands among his peers.

Is he entered?