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Hurricane 3 NEO versions i've played:
Commercial < Provincial < National < Player edition
I'm one of those who think the more expensive versions are worth it. And each "step up" is actually better.
I wouldn't buy commercial ever again. Provincial is good! National is a tad better, and Player edition actually is worth it (if you pay prott.vip price for it, which is about the same price as a sheet Dignics 09c.)

The better versions has better grip and spin, and they also feel softer than the cheaper versions. Which in turn means you can go up in hardness, which in turn gives you better speed and spin, but also require more physical output from the player.
National version 40° feels softer than 39° provincial imo.

I've bought and will put the Wang Chuqin 41,5° version on my blade next. After trying it on my buddy's blade I can only say that it's just even better than national, straight up. It feels about as soft as a 40° national.

Boost is a must, and also reboost..
So go with the goodest boost.
In general Haifu (national) Yellow or black is recommended. I've tried both, and prefer the black version.
Black = Straighter trajectory, harder feeling, more speed.
Yellow = higher throw, softer feeling, more spin (ish)

Then there's the new White national booster, which seems to be pretty good (like a mix och black and yellow?)
I haven't tried it tho.
Some argue that the Yellow Haifu is the EXACT same as the "commercial" version, and according to some spectrographs of its contents, it seems it is identical to Yellow.
BUT also, other chemists say that spectrograph doesn't tell the whole truth, so it might NOT be the exact same composition anyway..

TLDR!
Upgrade from Hurricane (what version?) is imo the Blue sponge versions, from provincial and up.

But the cost of playing Hurricane rubbers isn't only the price, you really HAVE to get involved. Try versions, hardnesses, experiment with boosters, number of layer of booster, and combinations of that, until you find what works best for you. And also, you're blade and style of blade is another variable in the whole thing.
If you're not prepared to really dig into that world, then you perhaps should look elsewhere, for other rubbers that are easier to get into. It is a hassle!

I personally think it's worth it.
For me, i'm invested. I've tried a lot of version, boosters, layers and all that., and I've found what I like, and I think it's fun.
I've also found that I'm not strong enough to play 3 hours sessions with this blade setup, it is just too demanding.
My shoulder get's really tired, my legs are totally emptied out, and as soon as that happens, I play shit table tennis. It's rewarding when you can handle the setup, but it's not gonna give you ANYTHING for free.
But whilst I've got stamina left, it's blazingly fun and extremely potent!
That's also a factor.

The chinese pro's who play a 968 with custom (super heavy) Hurricane rubbers, they are FIT. They are f**n professional athletes..! most people can't even compare.
So take that into the equation as well..

What do you play right now?
Blade? Rubber details?
 
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What do you play right now?
Blade? Rubber details?
Thank you so much for the detailed reply.

I play a soft 3+2 hinoki blade which came from a website called ‘custom table tennis’ which is one of their own blades. So there isn’t much information on this blade.

For my fh rubber it’s a H3N (orange sponge) and bh butterfly Rozena.

I want to get high spin + speed loopy shots. So maybe a provincial but I don’t know which booster I should get for that nor the amount of layers.

how much difference between a provincial and a national in terms of speed spin and difficulty to play.

I would also be really interested in the blade you use since you seem experienced in hurricane. Carbon? All-wood? Soft, hard? Flexible, stiff?

Thank you
 
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Have you played with any unboosted? I’m not too fond of the idea of reboosting every 3 months or so.

I’ve been playing my H3N unboosted so I don’t really understand what boosting does
The best advice is to just boost and try it for yourself. if you like it, you will find its worth it to continue boosting. if you dont like it, you will know its not for you. You can buy the cheap regular seamoon and try it. If you're like me, you will enjoy it, and after one year, you will spend a little more on your booster and get the national version. Also, you will maybe upgrade your rubbers from commercial to provincial. Thats right there i am. maybe one day i will try a national version lol.

Here's the hurricanes ive tried to far:

2x commercial 39 degree black H3N. Played them both unboosted for 3 weeks, until i boosted with 2 layers of regular seamoon. i reboosted a second time with one more layer of regular seamoon.

Prov 39 degree OS H3N 2.15 thickness. boosted right away with 1 layer of regular seamoon. then later on boosted with one more layer of haifu national yellow (made the rubber VERY FUN To play with)

Prov 40 degree OS H3N 2.15 thickness. boosted right away with 2 layers of regular seamoon. later on, boosted with one layer of haifu national yellow. (made the rubber VERY FUN to play with)

up next:

Prov 40 degree BS 2.10 thickness. I will boost with 2 layers of national yellow.
Prov 39 degree BS 2.15 thickness. i will boost with 2 layers of national yellow.

(Note, the only reason i have different thickness is because of the vendor sending me the wrong rubber, but i was too lazy to send back. I would have prefered to experiment with the same rubber degree but different thickness.
 
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Have you played with any unboosted? I’m not too fond of the idea of reboosting every 3 months or so.

I’ve been playing my H3N unboosted so I don’t really understand what boosting does
Yes, I don't think H3N is a very good rubber at all without booster. Its just dead.
Boosting expands the sponge of the rubber, essentially it kinda dissolves the sponge, expanding it, which makes it softer, springier, and creates tension in the rubber. Like many modern "western" rubbers does, Butterfly for example has "spring sponge x", it creates tension which creates speed and spin in the rubber.

The Hurricane rubbers do not have any tension, they come just plain, so you have to boost it.
But since you have to boost yourself you are also in control in how much you want to boost, how much softness and tension you want to have. You are just given the controls to essentially customize your rubber. But you have to get involved. Like I said in my last post.
But if you just want a good first recipe to try;
Go with a provincial blue sponge 39° or 40° Hurricane 3 neo.
Get yourself the Haifu yellow booster.
Apply 2 thin layers of booster. 24 hours between each layer.
Wait another 24 hours.
Glue the racket:
-1 EVEN layer of good glue (DHS no15) on the blade.
-2 EVEN layers of glue on the rubber. wait 45 - 60 min for each layer to dry.

That will give you a very good Hurricane setup to try out.

But again. If you don´t like the idea of boosting, reboosting and all that. Don't do it.
All rubbers die after some time.
Dignics series last long, but when dead can't be revived.
Hurricane lasts long as well, but the booster will "evaporate" before the rubber itself is unusable. So you can reboost it after 3-6 months and it will be fine. If you're lucky you'll gett 2-3 reboost out of a Hurricane rubber.
So it depends on how much you play, and how sensitive you are to the booster effect diminishing.
There's a reason the chines pro's have freshly boosted fresh rubbers each match. But most of us are fine with a approximate schedule like this one.
You also get used to the diminishing effect, so it might be hard to tell and remember how the rubber felt when freshly boosted. But there will be a point where you feel it's time to boost again.
 
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I would also be really interested in the blade you use since you seem experienced in hurricane. Carbon? All-wood? Soft, hard? Flexible, stiff?
I have 4 blades I play with, some more than others.
My main blade is a DHS q968 national, whang chuqins blade.
It's a carbon blade, with ayous core and limba outer ply, carbon is placed after the two outer layers
(limba -> ayous. IMPORTANT!).
It's quit soft for being a carbon blade, with a thick core.
It has lots of dwell, it holds the ball long. And the thick core makes it very powerfull.
Because of the softness it likes harder rubbers, that's the blade im gonna pair with H3N 41,5°.

Then I have a Nittaku Hayata H2, which is a "968 clone", more or less. It tries to be.
It's not as powerfull, thinner core. But it's easier to wield.
The carbon engages earlier which makes it easier to generate power.
It feels a bit harder on the touch, but still soft and dwelly.

Then I have two outer carbon blades; Viscaria and Fan Zhendong ALC.
Which is probably as similar as my q968 and the Hayata.
On paper Viscaria and FZDALC is structurally identical, the same way Hayata H2 and q968 is.
But they feel very different to.

Viscaria is harder, less flexy. Very direct.
FZDALC is flexier, softer to the touch, the also a little more powerful.
With butterfly blades I'll probably NOT go higher than 40° hardness. Since they're already hard.
All my blades have Dignics 09c on the backhand and varying hardness of H3 privincial on the forehand, tho the q968 has a national rubber.

I have'nt play a Hinoki blade so can't say anything about that.

Hope this helps!
 
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My main blade is a DHS q968 national, whang chuqins blade.
It's a carbon blade, with ayous core and limba outer plies, carbon is placed after the two limba layers.
Know your own blade. The carbon layer is between the 2 ayous layers, and there is only one limba plies : limba ayous ALC ayous ALC ayous limba
 
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Looking to get a Chinese style rubber that is spinnier, faster than H3N (orange sponge)

Also what blade would pair well with it, my current setup with 3+2 hinoki is too slow.

I do not know where the hinoki blade came from (it was a gift) but seems to have a thick piece in the middle and 2 thinner layers on the outside
As what in a lot of forums said,.nothing compares to boosted hurricane 3. Its strength is, it kicks and dive down..i saw some spins from h3, looks like.it jus slides on the table and not bouncing. But diving directly down.

Some says,.xiom tau 2, which I have tried too. Battle 2 and sanwei national bs. But my clubmates said that h3 is more difficult for them.to block using h3 for spinning as compared to tau 2, battle 2 or sanwei bs.
 
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As what in a lot of forums said,.nothing compares to boosted hurricane 3. Its strength is, it kicks and dive down..i saw some spins from h3, looks like.it jus slides on the table and not bouncing. But diving directly down.

Some says,.xiom tau 2, which I have tried too. Battle 2 and sanwei national bs. But my clubmates said that h3 is more difficult for them.to block using h3 for spinning as compared to tau 2, battle 2 or sanwei bs.
Loki Arthur China (espcially blue sponge) and Yinhe Jupiter 3 are very close. Rxton 9 maybe too but not tested enough to be sure. H3 comes from the fact it was almost alone on the market, and that it has monopole over the Chinese National Team. Hobby players are massively influenced by those factors (and it's very normal).
 
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