Help me to fix my FH loop :/

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From my own observation - when i hit the ball, my elbow is attached to my waist and my swing is path is very small, making the ball spin less.
Maybe the swing path is also wrong? Early force application? Not enough shoulder movement?
I'm trying to follow chinese FH technique, but my hit range is so narrow, so i have to work alot more with my legs.
I've tried alot of different fixes and watched alot of the videos and local coaches also can't help much, since all of them know only EU FH technique.
Changing rackets doesn't help either, originally i play with Hurricane 3, but on the video it's a cheap novice racket just to help me control the ball. The main problem is in my technique, not the racket.
 
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You are hitting, slapping the ball dead on, not making any kind of grip, friction and thus spin. Look at your partner, he blocks your ball with a completely open, even somewhat upwards facing bat. That's a tell tale sign of no spin.

You take the ball as it bounces up, very early, so you actually need to slap it downwards to get it on the table, so your execution makes sense in terms of the timing you are using.

I don't think your comment about EU FH technique makes sense judging by this video only, as any loop technique starts by creating a sense of friction, lifting the ball using the surface grip/tack of the rubber and getting it over the net with an arc.

You can start by rolling the ball towards you and as it rolls off the table, pick it up with the rubbers surface and send it over the net. Keep your bat face vertical so you know you're making friction rather than impact. You can do this with FH as well as BH, but for the FH it's best to stand on the BH corner for this so you can position your body.

Getting one of those balls on a spring is great too, you can try different types of impact and friction and see the resulting spin. I actually need one of those.

When you have done the roller exercise and developed a bit of feeling for this usage of friction, try to take the balls from your opponent around the same height: almost the same level as the table. Start slower, focus on the feeling of the rubber exerting grip on the ball and make a high, safe arc.

Just judging by your ability to repeatedly slap the ball on the table, my guess is you have a decent feel for racket sports. I would strongly advise you to stop dismissing your local coaches and get 6-12 months of training the fundamentals, and spin in particular. You can always choose to evolve your form after that and pursue a more impact-focused "Chinese" looping technique or a more brush focused "Euro" technique.
Actually, eventually you want to learn to do both, as they serve different purposes.
 
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tbh you should not care about chinese techniques or anything alike, if you have coaches around you you should visit them and listen to them! they can help you 100% because the basis is anyway the same
Not many good coaches here, and they say my FH is fine, which is not fine :/
Very little hip rotation. Your upper body should rotate around your hip. This motion gives extra speed to your arm.

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I have the same mistake when i do a big hit rotation. My right hand is always too close to my body and swing is very small.
You are hitting, slapping the ball dead on, not making any kind of grip, friction and thus spin. Look at your partner, he blocks your ball with a completely open, even somewhat upwards facing bat. That's a tell tale sign of no spin.

You take the ball as it bounces up, very early, so you actually need to slap it downwards to get it on the table, so your execution makes sense in terms of the timing you are using.

I don't think your comment about EU FH technique makes sense judging by this video only, as any loop technique starts by creating a sense of friction, lifting the ball using the surface grip/tack of the rubber and getting it over the net with an arc.

You can start by rolling the ball towards you and as it rolls off the table, pick it up with the rubbers surface and send it over the net. Keep your bat face vertical so you know you're making friction rather than impact. You can do this with FH as well as BH, but for the FH it's best to stand on the BH corner for this so you can position your body.

Getting one of those balls on a spring is great too, you can try different types of impact and friction and see the resulting spin. I actually need one of those.

When you have done the roller exercise and developed a bit of feeling for this usage of friction, try to take the balls from your opponent around the same height: almost the same level as the table. Start slower, focus on the feeling of the rubber exerting grip on the ball and make a high, safe arc.

Just judging by your ability to repeatedly slap the ball on the table, my guess is you have a decent feel for racket sports. I would strongly advise you to stop dismissing your local coaches and get 6-12 months of training the fundamentals, and spin in particular. You can always choose to evolve your form after that and pursue a more impact-focused "Chinese" looping technique or a more brush focused "Euro" technique.
Actually, eventually you want to learn to do both, as they serve different purposes.
I know it doesn't look obvious, but my partner isn't simply blocking, his racket is wobbling and he has a weird technique, when he fails to do his thing and simply block, the ball flies in to the sky :)
My brushing was the best in my club, but i had a very little hitting power. So i tried to learn chinese hit+brush technique, but i still can't grasp every aspect of it. I'm using my finger power and rotate my wrist so the spin is decent, but not too good due to small swing direction and right arm is always too close to my body :/
sorry to be off topic kinda but that ping pong park is AWESOME! Where is that? Do you have to bring your own net?
It's here in Budva, Montenegro. You can play for free with your own net, everyone is welcome :)
 
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Not many good coaches here, and they say my FH is fine, which is not fine :/

I have the same mistake when i do a big hit rotation. My right hand is always too close to my body and swing is very small.

I know it doesn't look obvious, but my partner isn't simply blocking, his racket is wobbling and he has a weird technique, when he fails to do his thing and simply block, the ball flies in to the sky :)
My brushing was the best in my club, but i had a very little hitting power. So i tried to learn chinese hit+brush technique, but i still can't grasp every aspect of it. I'm using my finger power and rotate my wrist so the spin is decent, but not too good due to small swing direction and right arm is always too close to my body :/

It's here in Budva, Montenegro. You can play for free with your own net, everyone is welcome :)
Playing outside is a different game…
Anyway, you should turn your hips and rotate your upper body. This should make you hit more forward. In the beginning you will hit long, but closing the angle of your bat should fix this. It requires a lot of training so start playing slowly. Once you get the hang of it start accelerating your bat…

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1. Move to the position, stabilize the stance first, then drive. Hit and move at same time is like texting & driving at the same time = disaster.
2. Too much rely on arm swing & no follow through with the waist.
 
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i find always curious those threads where people say whats wrong with my XXX and they put 100% of their balls on the table ? [you're not missing a single ball !] looks more like bragging to me !
WTF are you unhappy about ? Show me vids of you missing the ball and then i can tell you why...

Against this kind of block (passive, mostly flat) and this speed, you are doing it right for me. maybe looks a little bit stiff.

If you like this kind of practice, to make it a bit more challenging, you can force yourself to put variation:
move voluntarily in and out of the table. out of the table, maybe you need to go lower as the ball will be in descending phase. you could try to put more spin than speed. you can try also to put less power, but try to increase your precision, like have your shots go in the last 10cm of the table or aim for the side of the table.
 
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The stroke looks fine. Improving such things usually comes down to who you have to beat and what tradeoffs you have to make between physical effort, efficiency, pracrice, timing etc. Could you bloop better? Sure. So can Ma Long. What makes Ma Long Ma Long is less technical than it is about athleticism, ttaining, speed, game reading. There are players with worse forehands than you technically who play at a high level. What you can't debate is their athleticism.
 
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1. Move to the position, stabilize the stance first, then drive. Hit and move at same time is like texting & driving at the same time = disaster.
2. Too much rely on arm swing & no follow through with the waist.
Playing outside is a different game…
Anyway, you should turn your hips and rotate your upper body. This should make you hit more forward. In the beginning you will hit long, but closing the angle of your bat should fix this. It requires a lot of training so start playing slowly. Once you get the hang of it start accelerating your bat…

Cheers
L-zr
hey, thanks for the feedback, looks like you both are right. I need to drive forward first, before engaging my forearm. I engage it too soon, before my waist hips and shoulders move. Probably i need to go back to practicing a normal drive and learn proper force application when transitioning from drive to loop.
 
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i find always curious those threads where people say whats wrong with my XXX and they put 100% of their balls on the table ? [you're not missing a single ball !] looks more like bragging to me !
WTF are you unhappy about ? Show me vids of you missing the ball and then i can tell you why...

Against this kind of block (passive, mostly flat) and this speed, you are doing it right for me. maybe looks a little bit stiff.

If you like this kind of practice, to make it a bit more challenging, you can force yourself to put variation:
move voluntarily in and out of the table. out of the table, maybe you need to go lower as the ball will be in descending phase. you could try to put more spin than speed. you can try also to put less power, but try to increase your precision, like have your shots go in the last 10cm of the table or aim for the side of the table.
My stroke is almost perfect, but my critical mistake of engaging forearm early makes it very weak... I polished most of the aspects of FH loop like fingers engagement, and proper whip muscle engagement, but they stop too early after my backswing... If i'll fix it, then it will look like a normal chinese FH loop. I was hoping that people can notice any other mistakes i make, because there are many great players here, and i need a lot more to learn :)
 
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hey, thanks for the feedback, looks like you both are right. I need to drive forward first, before engaging my forearm. I engage it too soon, before my waist hips and shoulders move. Probably i need to go back to practicing a normal drive and learn proper force application when transitioning from drive to loop.
Forward when the incoming ball is flat or has topspin. More upward when incoming ball has underspin...

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i find always curious those threads where people say whats wrong with my XXX and they put 100% of their balls on the table ? [you're not missing a single ball !] looks more like bragging to me !
WTF are you unhappy about ? Show me vids of you missing the ball and then i can tell you why...

Against this kind of block (passive, mostly flat) and this speed, you are doing it right for me. maybe looks a little bit stiff.

If you like this kind of practice, to make it a bit more challenging, you can force yourself to put variation:
move voluntarily in and out of the table. out of the table, maybe you need to go lower as the ball will be in descending phase. you could try to put more spin than speed. you can try also to put less power, but try to increase your precision, like have your shots go in the last 10cm of the table or aim for the side of the table.
This is not about the OP: just because somebody does not miss, doesn´t mean he has perfect or good technique.
For me i have a pretty safe forehand but sometimes i am not happy with my speed or spin. So technique falls apart sometimes.
On the other hand If you look at pros and slow down their technique you can also spot small mistakes. This does not mean they are bad, they are still pros and have amazing touch and so on.
 
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Not many good coaches here, and they say my FH is fine, which is not fine :/
Ah that's a shame. In-person help is always much more useful. Any chance you can make a trip to a city with better options maybe once or twice?
I know it doesn't look obvious, but my partner isn't simply blocking, his racket is wobbling and he has a weird technique, when he fails to do his thing and simply block, the ball flies in to the sky :)
The ball will fly to the sky because he's hitting upward, if he is too far in his swing when he hits the ball, his racket is facing upwards already and the speed will make it shoot off. There is no significant spin in those balls, the trajectory is flat and it bounces up from the table pretty much as high as it came down.
Sure, I wasn't there, but I see no evidence of topspin in those.
My brushing was the best in my club, but i had a very little hitting power. So i tried to learn chinese hit+brush technique, but i still can't grasp every aspect of it. I'm using my finger power and rotate my wrist so the spin is decent, but not too good due to small swing direction and right arm is always too close to my body :/
I will obviously have to take your word for it as this video is really all I have to judge from. It's too bad there's no sound, that might have helped to hear if you're making full flat contact or engaging the rubber more.

I have watched it again, on my PC now instead of my phone. It still looks like you're in the "hit" stage of the "hit+brush" and the ball's trajectory is straight, not arcing. I'm not saying any of these things to make you feel bad - this is just what I can tell from the video.

It is pretty common, to go from hitting too little (as you said you can brush but want to combine it with power) to hitting too much, and now you will have to find the middle ground between these two.

With the information that you know how to make brush and friction contact, I would suggest taking things down a notch. If this video is you doing say, 80% power shots, dial back the power to 50-60%. This is not for your ability to land the ball on the table - you're doing absolutely fine there. But you want to make this ball spin and arc, so make some space for that by dialing back the power. With your landing percentage, you probably don't have to dial back for long - just until you are getting the hang of making the right contact.

Next is your feet, you're hopping to the right on most balls, and then have to return back to the left. Because of that hop, you need to pull your arm inward to stay aligned with the ball - and your point of contact is after the elbow has already snapped inward.
If this hop is part of the idea of getting power transferred, instead of moving left to right, the following might work for you (you can just do it as shadow practice, no ball or table required)

Plant your right leg, knee slightly bent. This leg is your pivot point, your hinge, your fulcrum point. It does not leave its spot, it doesn't bend or straighten (much, a little movement is always going to happen).
Keep your arm up (when you receive neutral or topspin balls, dropping down is not necessary at all) and the elbow only slightly bent.
While keeping your core and arm in the same position, bend your left knee - you will see your upper body rotates around the fulcrum point of your right leg.
Now, this is rotation, but it doesn't store and release energy. This is for coordinating the body's position for the next step.

Return back to the starting position. Now, instead of bending the left knee, keep it in place just like you're keeping the right one in place. Your left foot will anchor the lower body and will allow you to build tension, store energy, with the upper body.
With both your feet planted, make the same rotation as you just did using your knee, but only use the upper body for it. Using a bit of hip is OK, but what you want to feel is your core muscles storing energy. Hold that backswing position for a bit and really feel what it's doing - there should be some strength there just itching to be released!
Now practice releasing it. Don't use your arm. Imagine your arm is broken and in a cast - despite that you're still going to be able to both hit *and* spin the ball. Use your wrist to generate that last bit of friction right at the point of hitting the ball - your forearm will naturally follow a little bit.

When you take these ideas back to the table, it will feel stiff at first. That's fine, just take a couple of sessions to get used to how this feels, what it does to the ball, and really just keep it at 50% for a while before adding explosiveness.

I would still recommend one of those balls-on-a-stick. As simple a training tool as it seems, it gives such good and clear feedback: if the ball spins a lot, you are spinning it good and if it doesn't spin at all, you're not spinning it. If you hit it with power, you will see that, too. So you can see if you're combining spin and impact.

It's here in Budva, Montenegro. You can play for free with your own net, everyone is welcome :)
It looks like a great place! Just hope you don't lose the ball :D
 
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This is not about the OP: just because somebody does not miss, doesn´t mean he has perfect or good technique.
For me i have a pretty safe forehand but sometimes i am not happy with my speed or spin. So technique falls apart sometimes.
On the other hand If you look at pros and slow down their technique you can also spot small mistakes. This does not mean they are bad, they are still pros and have amazing touch and so on.
Technique is a very delicate thing, there are big wrong things and there are small wrong things. Being unhappy with your technique doesn't say much other than that you are not happy with it, but when someone brings technique with small wrong things to the forum, I think Takkyu"s reaction is appropriate. While there is no audio, there is nothing really wrong with OP"s technique. Can it be better, sure, but it checks the boxes. When technique checks the boxes, it is goijg to be hard to improve it on a forum. When it doesn't check the boxes, then obvious advice can be given
 
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