How do I know if a rubber type is for me?

[PenHoldSandro]

First and only question: are you smasher or looper?

Your answer will tell you the kind of rubber.

N. B. Blade matter a lot depending your way of play.

I'm not sure yet...

 

[PenHoldSandro]

I agree this is standart advice also because OP situation seems not a player have experienced and confused, instead just haven't experienced yet enough.

I'm not against the different styles but TT is a spin game. I can't imagine a setup without any inverted rubber, also the game itself is designed for spin. Not have to but an individual should play with an inverted rubber, not only competing also for fully enjoying.

So the training time issue, as because majority of players are double inverted, I don't see this time a waste, you would get know your opponent, how the ball reacts etc. Also If we think, this player will play with at least one side inverted rubber, will have boarder arsenal.

Again, I'm not against the jpen + pips style, everyone is free to choose but I think it's not only disadvantaged also, missing out the Fun of TT. Otherwise it will be hardbat.

Additionally, as I remember, OP is complaining about jpen and pips for a quite time in the forum.

You've put an interesting take. I really like this because it is a great opinion. I do have a question:

...I think it's not only disadvantaged

How is it disadvantaged? I'm fine with the "missing out the fun" because that is your opinion (a really good one ngl), but how does it affect your game?

Otherwise it will be hardbat.

I have never thought of this to be honest, but some SPs do have spin attached to them, so I guess it's okay???


I will try out inverted anyway, I'll keep you guys updated!

 

[PenHoldSandro]

That's an excellent advice. Short pips are no hugely different, You can use more or less the same technique. But since the speed is normally higher it will be in some parts a little more difficult. The good part is that serve receive will be easier. We have BH SP player in my club, he doesn't even twiddle (when serving with BH) but does excellent anyway.

Cheers
L-zr

Oh wow

 

[PenHoldSandro]

after hundred hours, after thousand of dollars I learned my forehand goldilock zone is Tensor / Spring Sponge 42 - 45 ESN hardness while my backhand is 42 below with or without tensor. I have tried 47, 48, 50 and chinese tacky as well... such a long journey I have walked...

shockening

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Does it sound interesting only to me?

Okay, using tenergy or hurricane, viscaria or korbel don't make difference for a coach as training curriculum,

but using LP or inverted, and jpen or double sided changes significantly.

Yeah, but he does teach accordingly.

All he does is teach us based on our setup, and doesn't create ones for us. If I make inverted SH, he will teach me as inverted SH. If I were an MP V-Grip user, he would teach me as such (idk if he knows how to teach that ngl).

 

[PenHoldSandro]

This is standard advice, but I do wonder whether this has something to do with non-topspin oriented styles not doing as well as perhaps they could in competitive scenarios. Why should every player start in this way and only then after a few years switch to an alternative style, when every year spent playing double inverted is a year of training they've then lost training with SP's or LP's etc? Imagine how much better the "non-conventional" styles might prove to be in competitive situations if double inverted was only considered one of multiple styles to pick from, rather than the style that everyone had to train in before considering a switch to any other style!

Imagine we were talking about martial arts and the consensus was that no one should start training in Judo until they'd trained for a few years in Karate. That Judo player will never be as good at Judo as they could have potentially been had they gone straight to Judo to begin with!

Yeah, but I guess you have to try out everything at least once, to know what you like.

You only live once, why use that life for a style you don't want?

 

[Aizen]

You've put an interesting take. I really like this because it is a great opinion. I do have a question:

How is it disadvantaged? I'm fine with the "missing out the fun" because that is your opinion (a really good one ngl), but how does it affect your game?

I have never thought of this to be honest, but some SPs do have spin attached to them, so I guess it's okay???

Yes, of course choice is up to you in the end of day. It's also preference, I just like spinning.

I'm not experienced about pips but spin gives arc, arc gives distance and speed (capacity). So lesser spin lesser attack opportunity. Although pips have own advantages like spin insensitivity, confusing opponent etc.

Combining a setup has both pips and inverted can give you broader opportunity.
But if I were you and stick with Jpen, I would prefer inverted over pips.

Yeah, but he does teach accordingly.

All he does is teach us based on our setup, and doesn't create ones for us. If I make inverted SH, he will teach me as inverted SH. If I were an MP V-Grip user, he would teach me as such (idk if he knows how to teach that ngl).

I see, that's understandable, at first I thought if you come up with new setup everyday, he doesn't care.

Good luck on your journey.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Yes, of course choice is up to you in the end of day. It's also preference, I just like spinning.

I'm not experienced about pips but spin gives arc, arc gives distance and speed (capacity). So lesser spin lesser attack opportunity. Although pips have own advantages like spin insensitivity, confusing opponent etc.

Combining a setup has both pips and inverted can give you broader opportunity.
But if I were you and stick with Jpen, I would prefer inverted over pips.

Yeah I will use inverted for a while to get an understanding of spin before moving back. SP is mainly used for attacking because of the more catapult motion it has, so SP has about the same attack opportunity or more than inverted.

I see, that's understandable, at first I thought if you come up with new setup everyday, he doesn't care.

Good luck on your journey.

Thank you man

 

[Tyce]

I guess I'll have to try it out. Any cheap suggestions for each?

Yes. Don't.

Get something middle of the road, train for a year and learn what you like and dislike

 

[merlin el mago]

I'm not sure yet...

Easy again: what about consistency? You have to play the way you are more!

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Yes. Don't.

Get something middle of the road, train for a year and learn what you like and dislike

What do you mean middle of the road, like rubber quality?

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Easy again: what about consistency? You have to play the way you are more!

Well yeah I guess I smash more, but that's more likely to be the SP I put on my racket :/
Im not consistent

 

[merlin el mago]

SP requires a fast & hard blade also very good timing because you have to impact always when ball raises or his high, not easy....
Also and not less important it's to be effective you have to play close to the table so you requires fast reflexes & fast speed body movement, again no easy.....