How much training and how to train to become a professional?

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yes, you need individual training. It may be that the players train in groups, but not all of them become professionals. Professionals become those who train individually. The coach has to support the player and train a lot 1 on 1
and I can tell you from experience, no professional goes to international stage without group training from the top 4 Asian countries.

Even today, the elite of the world trains in groups most of the time.
Coaches do not really do 1 on 1 with players. Maybe feeding multiball at most, but multiball is not 100% of the training. The players train with each other (hence group training)

I'm not sure how else to explain to you. If you haven't been inside a proper table tennis training center, I guess you will never understand
 
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and I can tell you from experience, no professional goes to international stage without group training from the top 4 Asian countries.

Even today, the elite of the world trains in groups most of the time.
Coaches do not really do 1 on 1 with players. Maybe feeding multiball at most, but multiball is not 100% of the training. The players train with each other (hence group training)

I'm not sure how else to explain to you. If you haven't been inside a proper table tennis training center, I guess you will never understand
I know that group training is important and that many top players train intensively in groups.

But it's not enough to reach a top level. You also need individual training to reach the top. It is necessary for such a complex sport
 
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I know that group training is important and that many top players train intensively in groups.

But it's not enough to reach a top level. You also need individual training to reach the top. It is necessary for such a complex sport
Individual training is necessary but I think you underrate group training which is also very important. IMO if you train 30 hours a week, at most 5-6 hours should be 1 on 1 with a coach, the rest should be practicing and playing matches with other players in group, integrating what you train with the coach into real rallies/game. It’s so beneficial to be able to play with many styles, right hander, left hander, different serves, etc.
 
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I know that group training is important and that many top players train intensively in groups.

But it's not enough to reach a top level. You also need individual training to reach the top. It is necessary for such a complex sport


i'm not sure if you are being silly now or what
You ask your question in OP, and I answered
but now you are trying to teach me something that I know very well in terms of reaching top level, since I am in such environment.
I have answered, and if you feel it is not correct, then that is your problem.
I don't think any player can become a professional in the group. Almost all you need is private training and multiball
China, Japan, Korea and Taiwan is good enough of a benchmark in my opinion on how things work, and that consistent development of new and next generation is possible.
Many players become professional with majority group training backround
 
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All the Top Players the have trained a lot individiual with their cochaes. Boll, Harimoto, Moregardh, Ovchtarov, Pucar.
So many of them.
China is differnt because they have so many players and opportunities
 
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Individual training is necessary but I think you underrate group training which is also very important. IMO if you train 30 hours a week, at most 5-6 hours should be 1 on 1 with a coach, the rest should be practicing and playing matches with other players in group, integrating what you train with the coach into real rallies/game. It’s so beneficial to be able to play with many styles, right hander, left hander, different serves, etc.
Yes I know. But the point is, you have to do something differernt to reach the top Level. If you train in group like everyone. It will not work
 
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You need both a large group of players and a good coach to guide you to reach your full potential. Showing up for group training without a coach or only playing 1 on 1 with a coach will end in disaster. If your technique is lacking then it is probably better to spend time with a coach to fix things because figuring them out on your own is not likely to happen. The CNT assigns individual coaches to their top players and these coaches work alone with the players everyday for part of the training time. The CNT is also big on switiching up practice partners for players to get used to lots of styles. You need both period.
 
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You need both a large group of players and a good coach to guide you to reach your full potential. Showing up for group training without a coach or only playing 1 on 1 with a coach will end in disaster.
The super knowledgeable guy already said, Boll, Harimoto, Moregardh, Ovchtarov, Pucar only had individual trainings with coaches (no group training)
sounds like a troll or someone who has never been inside a high tier training center.
I wonder what is the purpose of this thread, since he is not prepared to take in anything at all
 
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The super knowledgeable guy already said, Boll, Harimoto, Moregardh, Ovchtarov, Pucar only had individual trainings with coaches (no group training)
sounds like a troll or someone who has never been inside a high tier training center.
I wonder what is the purpose of this thread, since he is not prepared to take in anything at all
No, what lightspin said was correct
 
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How much training does a young player who is already at a good level (ages 11-12) need if he wants to become a professional?

I know that it varies how much someone can train. And how much someone has to train. And the quality also has to be right.

But what would be the minimum for a talented player to make it? Is it 2-3 hours a day? Training twice a day? How much fitness training at this age?

And what do you think training should be like? A training group with good players and table tennis exercises?

Or would you rather prefer private training and lots of multiball?
Great question! Developing a young player into a professional requires a balanced approach that takes into account not just the quantity of training but also its quality and variety.

For a talented player aged 11-12, aiming for a professional level, I’d recommend a combination of structured table tennis practice and physical conditioning. Generally, 2-3 hours of table tennis training per day is a solid baseline, but this can be split into two sessions to maintain focus and energy levels. So, training twice a day, with one session focused on technical skills and the other on match play or tactical development, can be very effective.

In addition to table tennis training, fitness is crucial at this age. It’s important to start incorporating strength, agility, and endurance training into their routine—perhaps an additional 1-2 hours a week. However, keep it age-appropriate and focus on developing overall athleticism rather than heavy lifting or intense cardio. Exercises like footwork drills, flexibility training, and core strengthening are key.

As for the type of training, both group sessions and private training have their benefits. A training group with good players can provide a competitive environment that pushes a young player to adapt and improve. It also allows for a variety of playing styles, which is important for developing a well-rounded game.

On the other hand, private training offers the chance to focus on specific areas of the game that need improvement. A mix of private lessons and group training might be ideal. In private sessions, the coach can focus on refining technique through drills like multiball, which are excellent for developing consistency and precision.

Ultimately, the best approach combines high-quality, focused training with variety to keep the player engaged and constantly improving. Regular match play, exposure to different playing styles, and a strong fitness routine will all play vital roles in their development.
 
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Surely you are forgetting one important point and that is having talent. Having talent for a ball sport and possessing an exceptional innate reflex. If you lack either of these, you can assume that it will be very difficult to make it into the top 100.
I know someone who was really very motivated to learn table tennis, admittedly at too late an age, but he knew very well what you had to do to reach any level by training a lot, a lot. In his youth, he had also been a national champion in a combat sport. So he knew the tricks of the trade...
After years of hours and hours of group training in one of the best clubs in the country and then having individual paid training from a top Bosnian player, he realised after a long time that he will never reach any level to become a top 500 player in his country. He could train like the best, normally had no problem with speeds but once a match had to be played everything collapsed like a cardboard house.
It was clear that having talent in a combat sport is not the same as wanting talent in table tennis.
 
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Surely you are forgetting one important point and that is having talent. Having talent for a ball sport and possessing an exceptional innate reflex. If you lack either of these, you can assume that it will be very difficult to make it into the top 100.
I know someone who was really very motivated to learn table tennis, admittedly at too late an age, but he knew very well what you had to do to reach any level by training a lot, a lot. In his youth, he had also been a national champion in a combat sport. So he knew the tricks of the trade...
After years of hours and hours of group training in one of the best clubs in the country and then having individual paid training from a top Bosnian player, he realised after a long time that he will never reach any level to become a top 500 player in his country. He could train like the best, normally had no problem with speeds but once a match had to be played everything collapsed like a cardboard house.
It was clear that having talent in a combat sport is not the same as wanting talent in table tennis.
You bring up a valid point—talent and innate reflexes are important factors in reaching the very top levels of table tennis.

While it’s true that natural talent can make the journey easier, it’s also important to recognize that with the right training, dedication, and mindset, a player can still achieve a professional level, even if they may not reach the absolute elite ranks. Many professional players succeed through a combination of hard work, strategic practice, and strong mental resilience, even if they may not have the same innate gifts as some of their peers.

It’s definitely a tough road, and not everyone will make it to the very top, but becoming a professional is still a realistic and admirable goal for many young, talented players.

Thanks for sharing your perspective—it’s a valuable reminder that the journey to becoming a professional is multifaceted, with talent being just one piece of the puzzle.
 
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Surely you are forgetting one important point and that is having talent. Having talent for a ball sport and possessing an exceptional innate reflex. If you lack either of these, you can assume that it will be very difficult to make it into the top 100.
I know someone who was really very motivated to learn table tennis, admittedly at too late an age, but he knew very well what you had to do to reach any level by training a lot, a lot. In his youth, he had also been a national champion in a combat sport. So he knew the tricks of the trade...
After years of hours and hours of group training in one of the best clubs in the country and then having individual paid training from a top Bosnian player, he realised after a long time that he will never reach any level to become a top 500 player in his country. He could train like the best, normally had no problem with speeds but once a match had to be played everything collapsed like a cardboard house.
It was clear that having talent in a combat sport is not the same as wanting talent in table tennis.
the problem is also, 100 people from age 6, maybe less than 1 make it to the professional space
going back to look at OP and his denial, where coach 1 on 1 is the only route to pro
well, again, less than 1% success, maybe even less than 0.1%.

Look at Taiwan with over 5000 kids playing competitively (train 20+ hours a week, with maybe 1000 of them training closer to 30+ hours a day), maybe less than 12 make it to the national junior team.
and from all the hundreds of national junior team players between age 11 to 19, maybe only 3 or 5 makes it into senior level.

then out of Taiwan's top players, only few is considered proper "professionals".

So, over a period of 15 years of training, maybe only 1 player out of thousands, can challenge the world elite
 
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Some people say that to become expert at just about anything, you simply need to put in cca 10'000 hours. That is what really matters and other things are less important...

So, year has 365 days ~ 52 weeks, lets say I play 3 days in a week (which is not always the case), this makes 156 days, lets say the training is 2,5 hours (again not always the case), this makes cca 400 hours per year... See you all in 25 years...
 
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Some people say that to become expert at just about anything, you simply need to put in cca 10'000 hours. That is what really matters and other things are less important...

So, year has 365 days ~ 52 weeks, lets say I play 3 days in a week (which is not always the case), this makes 156 days, lets say the training is 2,5 hours (again not always the case), this makes cca 400 hours per year... See you all in 25 years...

Hm, let me do the maths of what i can see with some elites hopefuls

from 6 to 8, maybe 3 hours a day x 6, so say 20 hours a week x 3 years.
from 9 to 12, maybe 6 hours a day x 6, so say 36 hours x 4 years.
13 to 18, 8 hours a day x 6, say 48 hours x 6 years
all based on 50 weeks a year

Totals
3000 + 7200 + 14400 = 24600 hours.
and that is still guarantee you will be world champion or ever lift a major trophy/medal, haha
 
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Some people say that to become expert at just about anything, you simply need to put in cca 10'000 hours. That is what really matters and other things are less important...

So, year has 365 days ~ 52 weeks, lets say I play 3 days in a week (which is not always the case), this makes 156 days, lets say the training is 2,5 hours (again not always the case), this makes cca 400 hours per year... See you all in 25 years...
If you use pips, you can less 25% of training time...coz' pips are pathway to things some deem unatural.
 
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If you use pips, you can less 25% of training time...coz' pips are pathway to things some deem unatural.
lol
you wish it was that easy.

as a matter of fact, I think the drop out ratio of pips kids in Taiwan is way higher than inverted.
I don't have the stats, but from what I can see that are still in "premier division", that is clearly the case.

ps. they train the same hours. so, sorry to burst your bubble.
 
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