How to qualify for bundesliga divisions 1 or 2

[KTableTennis]

What you mean? We still don't know how much MLTT pay for players and how to get to Bundesliga division 2 and 3

yea cause all people want to talk about is what my chances are of making it

 

[Tyce]

yea cause all people want to talk about is what my chances are of making it

Naw because you're only reading half and assume everything is unhelpful.

Get a growth mindset, kid

 

[joshmak10]

What you mean? We still don't know how much MLTT pay for players and how to get to Bundesliga division 2 and 3

All of this is not hard to search and also the latter point have been answered already

 

[joshmak10]

yea cause all people want to talk about is what my chances are of making it

Because is that not what the point of this thread is? You even mention in the first post that your goal is to be in the bundesliga, so people are giving you your chances to make it even in the lower bundesliga divisions which are more realistic options as of now, since bundesliga is quite literally filled with the Top 50 players of the world. But right now you are too stubborn to take anyone’s advice and reality opinions and while I admire your determination to make it, your inability to listen and learn from the advice given to you (that you have asked for) just makes people tired and annoyed

 

[KTableTennis]

Because is that not what the point of this thread is? You even mention in the first post that your goal is to be in the bundesliga, so people are giving you your chances to make it even in the lower bundesliga divisions which are more realistic options as of now, since bundesliga is quite literally filled with the Top 50 players of the world. But right now you are too stubborn to take anyone’s advice and reality opinions and while I admire your determination to make it, your inability to listen and learn from the advice given to you (that you have asked for) just makes people tired and annoyed

all i was saying is that I just wanted people to answer the question and not sidtrack to other things

 

[KTableTennis]

Naw because you're only reading half and assume everything is unhelpful.

Get a growth mindset, kid

Lol i'm not assuming everything is unhelpful, many things of what people have said in here are helpful, im talking about the people who can onto the thread and just answered the question I was asking, you are not being very helpful though, your saying unessisary things instead of being the bigger man and stopping the argument. and that is the last thing I want to be doing because I am a child and I dont like arguing with adults and it is quite a bad look, not just for me though.

 

[Ninja26Go]

You intend to already be playing on the national team by the time you move to Germany at 18. On top of that you want to represent the US internationally while still playing in Germany. At least that's what I've gathered from what you've posted.

I don't know if you have rich parents or what, but this is already more expensive than the majority of people can ever afford, and is extremely luck based even if you train extremely hard with the best coaches for 40h/wk like the asians are training. There's probably a hundred million players out there who are better than you and the gap widens every day compared to the people who will become professionals in the future.

To accomplish one or the other is an immense thing already and will take everything you and everyone who supports you has, I don't know where you intend to find the surplus for the other.

I'm not saying to not do it, because you're young and you've improved pretty well, so I think you have a knack for it and should make an attempt, but I've been trying to emphasize that you need to have some serious talks with coaches and your parents in regards to what is actually possible for you and your finances, then find the highest chance avenue (probably still single digit %) and hammer that one. Last I checked you made a thread last year and nothing has changed at all, and probably nothing will change in the future either, you just want people to give you answers and placate your dreams.

To be brutally honest I agree. Because you shouldn’t spend all of your and your parent’s time, energy and resources just for something that has a very small possibility of happening. What happens if they reject you? You move back to USA, are behind on schooling, less money.

 

[Ninja26Go]

yea cause all people want to talk about is what my chances are of making it

then start training and stop reading the thread!

 

[Ninja26Go]

all i was saying is that I just wanted people to answer the question and not sidtrack to other things

If something is related to something else, then people will have to sidetrack.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

because my dream is to play in bundesliga, and sure, if it doesn't work out then I could join mltt, because I know that If I keep training I could definently play in mltt for sure. but my goal is to play for bundesliga and I am going to work for that goal, I didnt open this thread to ask people if I could make bundesliga I opened it to ask people HOW TO MAKE THE TEAM AND WHICH CLUBS I COULD TRAIN AT FULL TIME IN GERMANY IF I GET TO A GOOD ENOUGH LEVEL LIKE 2500-2700+ BY THE TIME I AM 18 AND WANT TO GO TO GERMANY. so please stop giving your opinions on if I will make it or not because I am not listening to them. please answer my questions.

Lol you could play in MLTT for sure? There are 2-3 more World Ranked top 50 joining it next season, and the lowest level male players will be 2650 at minimum. And if it's still around in 5 years when you're graduating high school, the level would be even higher. You think it's some sort of guarantee that you'll hit 2650+ as long as you keep training hard?

yes I get that, but right now I am just asking about clubs that I could train at after highschool years

The answer is the same as it was in your thread from last year. You won't be able to train at any clubs that matter if you aren't like, nearly 2700 by 18. So asking these types of questions until you're anywhere near 2700 is quite literally a total waste of time. You should be spending all of your time thinking about how you're going to get to 2700 at the age of 18 considering you're 1950 at the age of 13. That is something that I am pretty sure has quite literally never been done and I am close with many professionals ranging from 2600 to World top 25.

I think you could use another reminder here that Kanak Jha was over 2600 when he was 13. It is 100 times easier to get from 0 to 1950 than it is to get from 1950 to 2600 so you are around 1% of the player Kanak was at the same age and that might be generous. 0.0001% would be more accurate probably. And there have been many who were not far off his level at that age, but you don't know their names because none of them made it and all of them realized BL1/WR50 dreams were futile. And you are 1950 saying that MLTT is a sure thing one day lol. It is unfortunate that nearly a year out from your first thread, the delusion hasn't changed much.

 

[Singshasha]

All of this is not hard to search and also the latter point have been answered already

It seems like his coaches have already given him a clear answer. Tony, in his previous threads, even set a specific USATT rating target for him to aim toward.

Maybe those answers don’t resonate with him, or he doesn’t fully trust the guidance from his coaches and Tony. Instead, he keeps asking the same question, possibly hoping for a more appealing path, something that makes becoming another Kanak Jha feel more attainable. It’s a bit ironic that he tried to discount Tony’s suggested rating target by 300 points.

Tony’s track record speaks for itself, with 18 players who compete in the top three divisions in Germany. On top of that, the kid himself says his coach has connections with agents who could help him move forward. So the real question is: what exactly is he still looking for?

At this point, it comes across less like he needs information and more like he’s seeking validation or encouragement.

 

[Archosaurus]

all i was saying is that I just wanted people to answer the question and not sidtrack to other things

Sure, I'll answer it literally:

The MLTT doesn't pay you anything. They might not ever pay you anything. How much other people make is their matter.

Lol you could play in MLTT for sure? There are 2-3 more World Ranked top 50 joining it next season, and the lowest level male players will be 2650 at minimum. And if it's still around in 5 years when you're graduating high school, the level would be even higher. You think it's some sort of guarantee that you'll hit 2650+ as long as you keep training hard?



The answer is the same as it was in your thread from last year. You won't be able to train at any clubs that matter if you aren't like, nearly 2700 by 18. So asking these types of questions until you're anywhere near 2700 is quite literally a total waste of time. You should be spending all of your time thinking about how you're going to get to 2700 at the age of 18 considering you're 1950 at the age of 13. That is something that I am pretty sure has quite literally never been done and I am close with many professionals ranging from 2600 to World top 25.

I think you could use another reminder here that Kanak Jha was over 2600 when he was 13. It is 100 times easier to get from 0 to 1950 than it is to get from 1950 to 2600 so you are around 1% of the player Kanak was at the same age and that might be generous. 0.0001% would be more accurate probably. And there have been many who were not far off his level at that age, but you don't know their names because none of them made it and all of them realized BL1/WR50 dreams were futile. And you are 1950 saying that MLTT is a sure thing one day lol. It is unfortunate that nearly a year out from your first thread, the delusion hasn't changed much.

I think young people tend to really underestimate how difficult it is to reach even basic professional competency in something like this. I know I was dramatically underestimating* how difficult it is to reach even 1500 when I started playing.

Reaching 2000 is basically a trivial matter compared to reaching 2600, it's a real goal and a solid play level for millions of adult players, but it's basically where you start. You can't just go from 2000 to 2600 by training, there's a ton of luck, money and randomness involved. Small decisions you make in your life could even stop you from becoming a 2200 player in your prime years, let alone 2600.

There's a reason I said that getting from 1900~ to 1. BL in a couple years would be something that's never been done, ever. If someone can do that, they should forget about BL or MLTT and start thinking about entirely collapsing the CNT and revolutionizing the sport at the elite level.

*Under, not over

 

[Tyce]

Lol i'm not assuming everything is unhelpful, many things of what people have said in here are helpful, im talking about the people who can onto the thread and just answered the question I was asking, you are not being very helpful though, your saying unessisary things instead of being the bigger man and stopping the argument. and that is the last thing I want to be doing because I am a child and I dont like arguing with adults and it is quite a bad look, not just for me though.

If you think I'm being unhelpful and saying unnecessary things, you're either not reading my posts or you're trolling.

 

[joshmak10]

all i was saying is that I just wanted people to answer the question and not sidtrack to other things

And they have. So stop being stubborn and take other people’s advice

 

[joshmak10]

It seems like his coaches have already given him a clear answer. Tony, in his previous threads, even set a specific USATT rating target for him to aim toward.

Maybe those answers don’t resonate with him, or he doesn’t fully trust the guidance from his coaches and Tony. Instead, he keeps asking the same question, possibly hoping for a more appealing path, something that makes becoming another Kanak Jha feel more attainable. It’s a bit ironic that he tried to discount Tony’s suggested rating target by 300 points.

Tony’s track record speaks for itself, with 18 players who compete in the top three divisions in Germany. On top of that, the kid himself says his coach has connections with agents who could help him move forward. So the real question is: what exactly is he still looking for?

At this point, it comes across less like he needs information and more like he’s seeking validation or encouragement.

If you are looking to be professional this is probably the worst place to ask lol

 

[ShakehandJpenCpenEnjoyer]

Just train and build your content creation and community too.
Even if you fail to be a pro, no worries! because you love table tennis so much, being a content creator or trainer or store owner will be a faaaaar better career life than office jobs 😉
If you become a pro, even better!

 

[Archosaurus]

Just train and build your content creation and community too.
Even if you fail to be a pro, no worries! because you love table tennis so much, being a content creator or trainer or store owner will be a faaaaar better career life than office jobs 😉
If you become a pro, even better!

Not everyone needs to be in the men's top 50 rankings. There's a lot of things to do inbetween being an elite fulltime pro and a hobbyist, many of those things which still require advanced skills.