Is Ai Fukuhara a Villain?

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that's a question I would never dare to ask him...

IMO he wasn't in just because he wasn't good enough... Kishikawa, Mizutani, Yoshimura, Niwa, Matsudaira were all better than him. And probably a few others as well, look at his results.

I don't think he was "expelled". He still seemed to be receiving a little bit of money to go to ITTF opens and to receive invites in internal qualification tournaments ?
do you have any proof ?

btw i heard many other rumors about Ai-chan... with Ryusuke Sakamoto as well. looks like she had fun times back then and perhaps didn't change much as an adult
Japanese media has leaked a lot of rumors and allegations to point Ai into a negative light.

Chiang has never made use of those negative news to target and/or attack Ai and avoided all questions relating to it. Chiang has only ever asked for his son back. A year ago and now again. Nothing in between and that is why I said he has been so civil.
He didn't try to make Ai look like the guilty party and I doubt Japanese paparazzi would be on Chiang's payroll.
 
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This is a unpleasant discussion for sure.
I also have a young family and Chiang, a fellow father, has been holding things together for a long time.
Most times when bad things surface, people are quick to think the man is in the wrong and the women is the victim.

I personally think Chiang has been very civil about the matter since Ai's extra-marital affair surface and Ai as everyone knows, has been total silent and only handled matter to save her business and image.

I can't comment on the present, as Chiang has release what he wants the world to know in his media statements. Somehow China loves Ai and western media doesn't cover too much about this whole incident. Japanese and Taiwan netizens seem to be in support of Chiang and disguised by Ai.

But there are some facts and this isn't a gossip

1) Ai was caught with a married man, staying overnight in her house in Japan.
Ai went back to Japan for business (she started a company in Japan), Japanese media saw her going in her house with another man and they only left the next morning.
Ai denied they slept together, and that they slept in two different rooms.
Ai later went on to married this man. This man was also married at the time of the affair and had divorced to marry Ai.

Note, Ai started her young company and spent a lot of time in Japan, while Chiang and the kids was in Taiwan. The kids were still nursing at that time.
The business closed very quickly after and the house was sold. Everyone's life has turned upside down.

2) During the scandal, Ai's mom was in Taiwan all this time, living with Chiang. Ai's mom was in a wheel chair and Chiang continued to share how warm his family is on social media. ie photos of the 2 kids with Ai's mom and Chiang.
This went on for months. Ai didn't return to Taiwan during this time and blamed covid restrictions or something like that. Taiwan had a 2 week mandatory isolation and Ai didn't see that match her schedule.

3) so during this time, both toddlers had no mother. But grandma was there to fill in what the mom voided.
I have no idea how Ai's mom went through all this, since Asian, at least Japanese people have very strong values relating to this kind of matter.
People called Ai a terrible mother and daughter and sacrificed it for another man. Note, no one talked about terrible wife, but focus on the lack of responsiblity as a mother and daughter during this time since what happened between the two couple is their business, however mother and kids are innocent parties.

4) Grandma Ai left to go back to Japan, as the marriage is heading towards a divorce. Chiang, at least in the public image continued to be civil about Ai's mom staying with them. There was also photos of a send off at the airport with the Chiangs and Ai's mom. At that moment, I thought Ai's mom would go back to Japan and try and save the marriage.

5) They divorced. Ai was in Japan when this happened
Ai has been very secretive over the whole matter. Obviously she has a full PR team and strong legal team since being a famous kid.
Chiang is just another every day person and new to this "stardom"

6) Then Ai returned to Taiwan to visit the kids. Chiang kept everything secretively and didn't announce that Ai was returning. It was said that the son went back to Japan with Ai to stay for the summer, but next we know, Chiang announced that Ai has gone radio silent and he can't reach his son and the son isn't coming back apparently and Chiang turned towards a slow legal route and that is been a year or so now.

7) Chiang claimed that when Ai was in Japan all this time and both kids with him. The kids and Ai had video calls daily and continue to keep the door open between mother and kids. Chiang claimed he has not spoken to his son for a year now.

Now, i'm not sure what ugly part of this divorce has caused what has happened today, since there are always two sides to any story, but Chiang has shared family photos, while Ai's one was only leaked from Japanese paparazzi.
Ai seem to remove all Chiang's photos, while Chiang still have family photos posted on his social media.

Ai has always been famous and in the spotlight. Has all the PR manager and Agents to guide her along the way.
Chiang is very different. Chiang, could of become the next Taiwan no1, the next Chuang Chih Yuan (Lin Yunju was still a baby then)
Chiang was a kid prodigy and made the Taiwanese senior team the same age as Lin.
In fact Chiang was the record holder until Lin "tied" it. There has been a new kid now that has broken this record (leave that to another day to discuss), but Chiang could of been very famous, had he not injure himself and couldn't recover fully to the same level and slowly dropped out as a competitive athlete.

Chiang has always been good looking and tall (for Asian standards). A very mismatch (and i'm not just talking wealth) from the get go, but love does bring wonders. According to media, Ai has always dated tall guys.

End of the day, sad with how the daughter (living with Chiang) does not have a mother. And the son (living with Ai) does not have a father.
Ai has remarried. Chiang haven't. Ai is now WTT Japan General Manager.
Chiang went back to work for his "mother TT team", Taiwan Co-op Bank TT team, and does do commercials/filming on the side.

Chiang actually came and sat with our team during a tournament in April. He actually sat next to me, but I don't know him in person. He is good friends with one of the coaches in our team (his senior brother, from the same tt base).
Chiang has a lot of energy and always has a smile. I have no idea how he can be so strong amidst his personal family battle - of which he doesn't talk about in person.

I can't say who is wrong, but kids are being punished. I hope both parents can allow kids to be kids and adult up about parenthood.
Ai-Chan can still be seen on TV sometimes, like last WTTC but for sure she's much less seen than if there were not all these scandals. I can't remember when was the last time I saw her for a commercial. Her image has been affected for sure.
 
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My question is: why is EmRatThich putting this out as if he knows what he is talking about.

And a lot of this sounds like: "guilty until proven innocent!"

Despite a lot of media coverage, we can't really know what happened between two people. Parenting and human emotions are much more complicated than anyone here is taking into account. If any of you are married and have had a complicated relationship and kids, you should know that family and relationships are complicated. Anyone who has a family (all of us have a family in one way or another) should know, family can simply be complicated.

But I will put money on it that the reason ERT is putting this silly nonsense out has a term for it: "CLICKBAIT".

So the question is: is TensorBH putting this out because he wants answers......or for the same reason that ERT put it out.....Is MZ trolling the forum with this emotionally charged issue? :)
 
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My question is: why is EmRatThich putting this out as if he knows what he is talking about.

And a lot of this sounds like: "guilty until proven innocent!"

Despite a lot of media coverage, we can't really know what happened between two people. Parenting and human emotions are much more complicated than anyone here is taking into account. If any of you are married and have had a complicated relationship and kids, you should know that family and relationships are complicated. Anyone who has a family (all of us have a family in one way or another) should know, family can simply be complicated.

But I will put money on it that the reason ERT is putting this silly nonsense out has a term for it: "CLICKBAIT".

So the question is: is TensorBH putting this out because he wants answers......or for the same reason that ERT put it out.....Is MZ trolling the forum with this emotionally charged issue? :)
I didn't even bother play ERT's video in the OP

all his content is clickbait and stolen content.
he probably knows less than MZ on the topic and is a so called content creator

I could easily make a content on this story and get lots of clicks, but that isn't what Chiang wants, so, I have distance myself and only commented on what he shared from his side.
 
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I think there is complexity of International laws mixed in with this ... so its not as black and white as it is being made out to be .. for instance .. check this version of the news ... https://www.hjnews.com/world/in-jap...cle_186afc62-f089-5f1b-a69c-8a724746e6d8.html

Also most of my friends who read either Taiwanese and Chinese media are convinced that Ai is in the wrong .. do we really think that news media is reporting without national bias ? I sincerely doubt we will know the truth from these kind of page 3 reporting...
That version of the news looks black and white to me. Fukuhara has been ordered by a court to return the son. She is willfully in contempt of such order (a criminal offense in most countries). If she doesn't, a criminal case may be started for child abduction.

What is your interpretation of that news article? The Japanese court system has deemed Fukuharu to be in the wrong here so I'm struggling to see what her justification is.
 
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That version of the news looks black and white to me. Fukuhara has been ordered by a court to return the son. She is willfully in contempt of such order (a criminal offense in most countries). If she doesn't, a criminal case may be started for child abduction.

What is your interpretation of that news article? The Japanese court system has deemed Fukuharu to be in the wrong here so I'm struggling to see what her justification is.
I'm no legal expert, but there has been many examples that has surfaced by the media during this case, of how weak Japanese legal system is with these kind of cases (divorce parties with kids and Japanese parent withholding kids from the foreign parent)

It took a year to get to today, i'm not sure if that is slow or normal, but the elder sister is 6 years old today and the younger brother is 4 years old.
 
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That version of the news looks black and white to me. Fukuhara has been ordered by a court to return the son. She is willfully in contempt of such order (a criminal offense in most countries). If she doesn't, a criminal case may be started for child abduction.

What is your interpretation of that news article? The Japanese court system has deemed Fukuharu to be in the wrong here so I'm struggling to see what her justification is.
the problem is alas it will be difficult to enforce any court decision, and there are appeals etc... it could take years before justice "is done" and by then, the son will have grown up without his father.

its really sad
 
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This is true about everything in life, but we need to have good guys and bad guys, lol! And whatever the versions, she was the one that cheated on him. And from what I hear, her mother actually stayed in Taiwan and he has the daughter with him, it is the son that he has been unable to see. The court details definitely don't flatter her.
Yes it is true .. but we don't need to have good guys and bad guys , its only there in fantasies or fairy tells , real life is mostly grey . The problem with this kind of discussion is its not much different than burning a witch on a pyre.

I heard every thing that you heard and more , along with what with Tony wrote , even then the picture is incomplete.

Even if Fukuhara has done all that she has done , nobody acts without a reason . Nobody is born evil . We don't know the circumstances of her life and what she has gone through to act in whichever way she does. And on top of it what may be a compelling reason for you to act in a certain way may not be a compelling reason for me or somebody else .

unfortunately, because they are celebrities we think it gives us right to judge what is moral and what is immoral . Who decides that ? Who gives us the authority and the privilege to sit in judgement of others ?

It s sadly just another kind of depravity, another type of voyeurism. One where we are just peeping tom's in others lives and pretend that we are "holier than thou" . That is what it truly this is .

Lets mind our own business and fight over who hates long pips more .. that is still a much more constructive discussion than what is happening in this thread .
 
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This is a unpleasant discussion for sure.
I also have a young family and Chiang, a fellow father, has been holding things together for a long time.
Most times when bad things surface, people are quick to think the man is in the wrong and the women is the victim.

I personally think Chiang has been very civil about the matter since Ai's extra-marital affair surface and Ai as everyone knows, has been total silent and only handled matter to save her business and image.

I can't comment on the present, as Chiang has release what he wants the world to know in his media statements. Somehow China loves Ai and western media doesn't cover too much about this whole incident. Japanese and Taiwan netizens seem to be in support of Chiang and disguised by Ai.

But there are some facts and this isn't a gossip

1) Ai was caught with a married man, staying overnight in her house in Japan.
Ai went back to Japan for business (she started a company in Japan), Japanese media saw her going in her house with another man and they only left the next morning.
Ai denied they slept together, and that they slept in two different rooms.
Ai later went on to married this man. This man was also married at the time of the affair and had divorced to marry Ai.

Note, Ai started her young company and spent a lot of time in Japan, while Chiang and the kids was in Taiwan. The kids were still nursing at that time.
The business closed very quickly after and the house was sold. Everyone's life has turned upside down.

2) During the scandal, Ai's mom was in Taiwan all this time, living with Chiang. Ai's mom was in a wheel chair and Chiang continued to share how warm his family is on social media. ie photos of the 2 kids with Ai's mom and Chiang.
This went on for months. Ai didn't return to Taiwan during this time and blamed covid restrictions or something like that. Taiwan had a 2 week mandatory isolation and Ai didn't see that match her schedule.

3) so during this time, both toddlers had no mother. But grandma was there to fill in what the mom voided.
I have no idea how Ai's mom went through all this, since Asian, at least Japanese people have very strong values relating to this kind of matter.
People called Ai a terrible mother and daughter and sacrificed it for another man. Note, no one talked about terrible wife, but focus on the lack of responsiblity as a mother and daughter during this time since what happened between the two couple is their business, however mother and kids are innocent parties.

4) Grandma Ai left to go back to Japan, as the marriage is heading towards a divorce. Chiang, at least in the public image continued to be civil about Ai's mom staying with them. There was also photos of a send off at the airport with the Chiangs and Ai's mom. At that moment, I thought Ai's mom would go back to Japan and try and save the marriage.

5) They divorced. Ai was in Japan when this happened
Ai has been very secretive over the whole matter. Obviously she has a full PR team and strong legal team since being a famous kid.
Chiang is just another every day person and new to this "stardom"

6) Then Ai returned to Taiwan to visit the kids. Chiang kept everything secretively and didn't announce that Ai was returning. It was said that the son went back to Japan with Ai to stay for the summer, but next we know, Chiang announced that Ai has gone radio silent and he can't reach his son and the son isn't coming back apparently and Chiang turned towards a slow legal route and that is been a year or so now.

7) Chiang claimed that when Ai was in Japan all this time and both kids with him. The kids and Ai had video calls daily and continue to keep the door open between mother and kids. Chiang claimed he has not spoken to his son for a year now.

Now, i'm not sure what ugly part of this divorce has caused what has happened today, since there are always two sides to any story, but Chiang has shared family photos, while Ai's one was only leaked from Japanese paparazzi.
Ai seem to remove all Chiang's photos, while Chiang still have family photos posted on his social media.

Ai has always been famous and in the spotlight. Has all the PR manager and Agents to guide her along the way.
Chiang is very different. Chiang, could of become the next Taiwan no1, the next Chuang Chih Yuan (Lin Yunju was still a baby then)
Chiang was a kid prodigy and made the Taiwanese senior team the same age as Lin.
In fact Chiang was the record holder until Lin "tied" it. There has been a new kid now that has broken this record (leave that to another day to discuss), but Chiang could of been very famous, had he not injure himself and couldn't recover fully to the same level and slowly dropped out as a competitive athlete.

Chiang has always been good looking and tall (for Asian standards). A very mismatch (and i'm not just talking wealth) from the get go, but love does bring wonders. According to media, Ai has always dated tall guys.

End of the day, sad with how the daughter (living with Chiang) does not have a mother. And the son (living with Ai) does not have a father.
Ai has remarried. Chiang haven't. Ai is now WTT Japan General Manager.
Chiang went back to work for his "mother TT team", Taiwan Co-op Bank TT team, and does do commercials/filming on the side.

Chiang actually came and sat with our team during a tournament in April. He actually sat next to me, but I don't know him in person. He is good friends with one of the coaches in our team (his senior brother, from the same tt base).
Chiang has a lot of energy and always has a smile. I have no idea how he can be so strong amidst his personal family battle - of which he doesn't talk about in person.

I can't say who is wrong, but kids are being punished. I hope both parents can allow kids to be kids and adult up about parenthood.
Pretty good summary!
 
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Yes it is true .. but we don't need to have good guys and bad guys , its only there in fantasies or fairy tells , real life is mostly grey . The problem with this kind of discussion is its not much different than burning a witch on a pyre.

I heard every thing that you heard and more , along with what with Tony wrote , even then the picture is incomplete.

Even if Fukuhara has done all that she has done , nobody acts without a reason . Nobody is born evil . We don't know the circumstances of her life and what she has gone through to act in whichever way she does. And on top of it what may be a compelling reason for you to act in a certain way may not be a compelling reason for me or somebody else .

unfortunately, because they are celebrities we think it gives us right to judge what is moral and what is immoral . Who decides that ? Who gives us the authority and the privilege to sit in judgement of others ?

It s sadly just another kind of depravity, another type of voyeurism. One where we are just peeping tom's in others lives and pretend that we are "holier than thou" . That is what it truly this is .

Lets mind our own business and fight over who hates long pips more .. that is still a much more constructive discussion than what is happening in this thread .
well, if it was ZJK's struggling to get his son back, maybe there will be more voice on forums
but hey, that ZJL thread I started looks way too quiet
That thread should beat this thread with EASE
 
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well, if it was ZJK's struggling to get his son back, maybe there will be more voice on forums
but hey, that ZJL thread I started looks way too quiet
That thread should beat this thread with EASE
Agree. Most people don't know who Chiang is. I do happen to follow his Instagram page and read a bit about this whole divorce thing a year or so back. Really to have both Taiwanese and Japanese press to be on your azz and you happen to be Japanese, you gotta do something really really bad. Japan is one of the most xenophobic societies out there. So if the Japan press is on the foreigner's side, you know what the truth is.
 
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My question is: why is EmRatThich putting this out as if he knows what he is talking about.

And a lot of this sounds like: "guilty until proven innocent!"

Despite a lot of media coverage, we can't really know what happened between two people. Parenting and human emotions are much more complicated than anyone here is taking into account. If any of you are married and have had a complicated relationship and kids, you should know that family and relationships are complicated. Anyone who has a family (all of us have a family in one way or another) should know, family can simply be complicated.

But I will put money on it that the reason ERT is putting this silly nonsense out has a term for it: "CLICKBAIT".

So the question is: is TensorBH putting this out because he wants answers......or for the same reason that ERT put it out.....Is MZ trolling the forum with this emotionally charged issue? :)
Well I have no particular reason or motive at all. The video came up on my Youtube recommendation feed, and I just posted it while watching it because some people might be interested. On another level, I find it very offensive that any mother would abduct their children.

And I just wonder, has Ai really thought this through? Isn't she basically declaring that she never intends to see her own daughter ever again by her actions? Does she just not care about the daughter and prefers to son?
 
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Agree. Most people don't know who Chiang is. I do happen to follow his Instagram page and read a bit about this whole divorce thing a year or so back. Really to have both Taiwanese and Japanese press to be on your azz and you happen to be Japanese, you gotta do something really really bad. Japan is one of the most xenophobic societies out there. So if the Japan press is on the foreigner's side, you know what the truth is.

There was a saying in the press (not sure if it was Japanese or Taiwanese) that
Taiwan gave its best women to Japan
Japan gave its worse women to Taiwan

Both countries has been very close in recent years (since Japan 311 earthquake - in 2011).
I think maybe if it was before 2011, Taiwan would really be isolated and Chiang wouldn't have much support.
Taiwanese relationship with Japan in recent years has probably also aided in the support.

To be honest, I think it could easily be handled better, especially if you are rich and can afford big shots attorneys in both Taiwan and Japan
 
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You just can't know the back story that drove someone to this.

But, if it is Ai's child, why are you guys saying she kidnapped her child when it is her child? Is it possible she feels the kid was TAKEN away from her?
 
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Agree. Most people don't know who Chiang is. I do happen to follow his Instagram page and read a bit about this whole divorce thing a year or so back. Really to have both Taiwanese and Japanese press to be on your azz and you happen to be Japanese, you gotta do something really really bad. Japan is one of the most xenophobic societies out there. So if the Japan press is on the foreigner's side, you know what the truth is.
Can you fill me in? I had read a while back that Fukuhara Ai was being emotionally abused and taken advantage of by Chiang's family. If that really was true, then I can understand her wanting to divorce and re-marry and everything.

But from watching Chiang's treatment of the kids, of Ai's mother... it really doesn't seem like he is the abusive type.
 
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unfortunately, because they are celebrities we think it gives us right to judge what is moral and what is immoral . Who decides that ? Who gives us the authority and the privilege to sit in judgement of others ?

It s sadly just another kind of depravity, another type of voyeurism. One where we are just peeping tom's in others lives and pretend that we are "holier than thou" . That is what it truly this is .

Lets mind our own business and fight over who hates long pips more .. that is still a much more constructive discussion than what is happening in this thread .

I don't go around abducting children illegally. I don't think looking down on people who do so is unfair or gives me a 'holier than thou' air.

The law says Fukuhara must return the the child to the father and she has chosen to disappear instead. We as a society have given a judge the authority to sit in judgement of Fukuharu for doing this. That's a big part of what it means to live in a society. Respecting the rule of law and the non-violent process to settle disputes. She has chosen not to abide by these rules so this creates a presumption of guilt or at least impropriety. This is not in the least bit unfair, as she has her opportunity in court to prove her side of the case.

Custody rights are complex. I know because I have handled family law cases myself. It's not perfect but we can't let parents who have lost custody battles abduct children and go into hiding. Similarly, having a 'devil may care' attitude to illegally abducted children seems unhelpful to the welfare of children as a whole. I hate to play the 'think of the children' card but this time it seems appropriate. Is Fukuharu's privacy really all that important when the issue at hand is that she abducted a child illegally and should be pressured to the child to the rightful parent?
 
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You just can't know the back story that drove someone to this.

But, if it is Ai's child, why are you guys saying she kidnapped her child when it is her child? Is it possible she feels the kid was TAKEN away from her?
Because they have a contract that agreed to joint custody. Both parents must have access to both children. Ai's actions prevent the father from having access to the son. Chiang allowed Ai to have long access to the son, thus he followed his obligation. So her son was not taken away from her, he was with her in Japan.
 
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You just can't know the back story that drove someone to this.

But, if it is Ai's child, why are you guys saying she kidnapped her child when it is her child? Is it possible she feels the kid was TAKEN away from her?

More than 90% of child abductions are committed by the parent without custody. They are treated as kidnappings. There is a long legal process for determining custody, and there is a heavy bias for giving primary custody to the mother.
 
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You just can't know the back story that drove someone to this.

But, if it is Ai's child, why are you guys saying she kidnapped her child when it is her child? Is it possible she feels the kid was TAKEN away from her?
If I understand Tony's story correctly, the Japanese court said she kidnapped her child.

In a divorce situation, generally there is physical custody agreement. Court, upon divorce, renders a judgement, by the judge and signed by the judge, regarding these physical custody agreements. For example, the kids get to spend time with the dad every other weekend. The rest of the time, the kids spend time with the mom. Any party NOT giving the kids back, in direct conflict against the court order is kidnapping the kids, by definition.

In most physical custody agreement there is also a clause saying, kids get to spend Thanksgiving with mom and Christmas with dad.

There is also a clause about if one party wants to bring the kids out of the state, the other party has to give agreement to it.

Yes, it is that detailed. Yes it is that serious. Nobody should try to tempt the court and perform anything outside of what the physical custody agreement says. Just ask a divorce lawyer and he or she will charge you $500 to $600 an hour to explain it to you.
 
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Because they have a contract that agreed to joint custody. Both parents must have access to both children. Ai's actions prevent the father from having access to the son. Chiang allowed Ai to have long access to the son, thus he followed his obligation. So her son was not taken away from her, he was with her in Japan.

I don't know. Until you walk in someone's shoes, I am not sure anyone on here is qualified to judge. She might be wrong. But the only person who had that kid inside of them for 9 months is Ai. And no matter what you say, none of us really know the whole story.

Whether anyone is wrong in this scenario, I would be willing to put money on it, Ai feels she has some reason for what she did. And if nobody knows what her side of the story is, there is a problem with judging.

I doubt anyone is right and the real losers in this whole thing will be the kids.
 
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