Is Ai Fukuhara a Villain?

[TensorBackhand]

I agree its a bad look for WTT.
WTT, where we abduct children and never let them see their father and siblings.

Btw what was Ai's new company and why did it fail?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Btw what was Ai's new company and why did it fail?

There was a name, it didn't really start
the opening of the company was during the same trip to Japan where she got caught
so she kindof disappeared and that company closed its doors before it had opened.
That company was a joint venture between her and that someone else.
that someone else was so innocent...

 

[NextLevel]

Yes it is true .. but we don't need to have good guys and bad guys , its only there in fantasies or fairy tells , real life is mostly grey . The problem with this kind of discussion is its not much different than burning a witch on a pyre.

I heard every thing that you heard and more , along with what with Tony wrote , even then the picture is incomplete.

Even if Fukuhara has done all that she has done , nobody acts without a reason . Nobody is born evil . We don't know the circumstances of her life and what she has gone through to act in whichever way she does. And on top of it what may be a compelling reason for you to act in a certain way may not be a compelling reason for me or somebody else .

unfortunately, because they are celebrities we think it gives us right to judge what is moral and what is immoral . Who decides that ? Who gives us the authority and the privilege to sit in judgement of others ?

It s sadly just another kind of depravity, another type of voyeurism. One where we are just peeping tom's in others lives and pretend that we are "holier than thou" . That is what it truly this is .

Lets mind our own business and fight over who hates long pips more .. that is still a much more constructive discussion than what is happening in this thread .

That's one view. Another is that human beings naturally discuss what is in the public domain. This is true for the wealthy, the leaders, the celebrities. It is part od how a society functions and learns.

As for no one being born evil, that is one view of human nature. There are others, empirically grounded, that show that things may not be that simple. And regardless of whether there is good or evil in someone, the idea that one cannot discuss celebrities is just weird to me. You can surely empathize and withhold judgement as you please. You can also discuss and learn from others and hopefully find lessons that may or may not apply to your circumstances. Or would you prefer that they make a movie and we discuss that?

One doesn't have to discuss. I just don't understand the idea that discussing the news is something perverted. Especially if one is going to read autobiographies and watch movies and TV series after the fact. Or vote for leaders etc.

But it is okay to disagree. I don't gossip as much as I am a defender of free speech. And generally not a fan of holier than thou attitudes that try to restrict it as a learning tool.

 

[NextLevel]

If I understand Tony's story correctly, the Japanese court said she kidnapped her child.

In a divorce situation, generally there is physical custody agreement. Court, upon divorce, renders a judgement, by the judge and signed by the judge, regarding these physical custody agreements. For example, the kids get to spend time with the dad every other weekend. The rest of the time, the kids spend time with the mom. Any party NOT giving the kids back, in direct conflict against the court order is kidnapping the kids, by definition.

In most physical custody agreement there is also a clause saying, kids get to spend Thanksgiving with mom and Christmas with dad.

There is also a clause about if one party wants to bring the kids out of the state, the other party has to give agreement to it.

Yes, it is that detailed. Yes it is that serious. Nobody should try to tempt the court and perform anything outside of what the physical custody agreement says. Just ask a divorce lawyer and he or she will charge you $500 to $600 an hour to explain it to you.

The fact that Japan doesn't have joint custody based on what ttmonster shared is interesting. Whether it is the primary explanation of Ai's behavior is not clear. But ideally parents should act in the best interests of the child. Though what that is can be hard to define, maybe they should just have stayed married in that case.

 

[NextLevel]

Yeah. There is a point here. But have you ever felt, in anything that, no matter what you say, it won't help and the odds are just against you?

There may be a reason for that. It is hard to say what it is. But I am also not so sure it is any of our businesses.

All I can say is, I feel bad for the kids and hope they turn out okay. But we really can't know the inside story on something when nobody knows what that inside story is.

Not knowing the inside story is often an excuse for not learning about what js available. We are now learning things about Japanese law and that there is usually no joint custody in Japan and women win most of the custody cases. So Ai might just be unhappy that she didnt get and win the case in Japan.

But maybe not. Feeling bad for the kids is natural but stories like this help us learn the implications of subtle things like where and who you choose to get married to and where you choose to file divorce. Maybe not how to play a great topspin. But TT has never been solely about topspin for me anyways, it has been a tool for socializing.

 

[NextLevel]

I get the issue now, people are looking at the clickbait title of the thread and getting riled up. Moral of the story - do not use clickbait titles to discuss complex issues even when celebrities are involved

 

[JJ Ng]

I get the issue now, people are looking at the clickbait title of the thread and getting riled up. Moral of the story - do not use clickbait titles to discuss complex issues even when celebrities are involved

I think this forum is pretty tame. I heard something happened in Ohio....

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The fact that Japan doesn't have joint custody based on what ttmonster shared is interesting. Whether it is the primary explanation of Ai's behavior is not clear. But ideally parents should act in the best interests of the child. Though what that is can be hard to define, maybe they should just have stayed married in that case.

Japan doesn't have joint custody, but it does have visitation rights for the other parent that doesn't have custody. So this doesn't mean that you are banned from seeing your child - in the case of Chiang.

The real issue here is (and the one that make many upset is that), the courts in Japan did not declare Ai having full custody and Chiang has none.
Ai decided to do what she is doing and not any court of law.
Even if Ai got Japanese court to give her custody, the court cannot take away Chiang's visitation rights, as there is no evidence to deem Chiang unfit to have visitation rights.

Ai can disregard Taiwan's courts (well that is what she did), so Chiang took the game to Japan now and everyone is waiting for Ai to respond.

In Taiwan, it has been quiet for a long long time and few days ago (this is how Chiang does things, he isn't a big noisy guy and has kept things very quiet to protect his kids), Chiang's team told that they are flying to Japan the next day to give a press conference, and the rest is history.

Ai isn't dumb and she has a deep pocket for big fancy lawyers.
If Chiang was a poor guy and have no fans, Ai would just be another one of those that has "won" (international custody/visitation battle). But Chiang's story has touched a lot of heart of Japanese people and he probably has more support than Ai in Japan at the moment, or atleast I hope so.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Japan doesn't have joint custody, but it does have visitation rights for the other parent that doesn't have custody. So this doesn't mean that you are banned from seeing your child - in the case of Chiang.

The real issue here is (and the one that make many upset is that), the courts in Japan did not declare Ai having full custody and Chiang has none.
Ai decided to do what she is doing and not any court of law.
Even if Ai got Japanese court to give her custody, the court cannot take away Chiang's visitation rights, as there is no evidence to deem Chiang unfit to have visitation rights.

Ai can disregard Taiwan's courts (well that is what she did), so Chiang took the game to Japan now and everyone is waiting for Ai to respond.

In Taiwan, it has been quiet for a long long time and few days ago (this is how Chiang does things, he isn't a big noisy guy and has kept things very quiet to protect his kids), Chiang's team told that they are flying to Japan the next day to give a press conference, and the rest is history.

Ai isn't dumb and she has a deep pocket for big fancy lawyers.
If Chiang was a poor guy and have no fans, Ai would just be another one of those that has "won" (international custody/visitation battle). But Chiang's story has touched a lot of heart of Japanese people and he probably has more support than Ai in Japan at the moment, or atleast I hope so.

Unfortunately in Japan, the other parent doesn't even have visitation rights.
Please learn the case of Vincent Fichot for example who went on hunger strike during the Olympics. His Japanese wife took his children and he hasn't seen them for years.

Ai did what she did, because like many criminals, she thinks she can get away with it.

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I wonder what the little kid will think of his mom in 15 or 20 years, she who deprived him of a father.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Unfortunately in Japan, the other parent doesn't even have visitation rights.
Please learn the case of Vincent Fichot for example who went on hunger strike during the Olympics. His Japanese wife took his children and he hasn't seen them for years.

Ai did what she did, because like many criminals, she thinks she can get away with it.

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I wonder what the little kid will think of his mom in 15 or 20 years, she who deprived him of a father.

i've heard of that story.
But it isn't "fixed on that" from what I heard from Taiwanese media in terms of visitation right.
any ways, Chiang hasn't lost the custody rights to the kids, it is the other way round basically.

Mom is super rich
Dad is not bad himself.
I suggest both to share the kids (as per Taiwanese court), and they can fly around every month (no more covid and the flight is only 4 hours)

But no... its cheaper to hire lawyers and sacrifice public image.

people....have so much time and money to waste

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Well I'm all ears. What's the complex reason the father doesn't deserve to see his son?

I think this goes to the heart of the issue you guys are all having. I am a father. I agree that both parents have rights. But if you are thinking she is doing this to keep the kids away from the father:

a) That might not be why she is doing what she is doing.
b) If she is doing this because she is trying to keep the kid away from the father, did something happen (real or imagined) that caused her to be afraid of having the kid left alone with the father?

Look, have you ever had an uncontrollable urge of any kind? Like, maybe you have eaten a full meal and you know you are not hungry but you still have something in you that says: "I need to eat that ice cream" or "that cookie".....Or you tried someone else's TT equipment and thought: "wow, that really feels good to me, I don't like my setup anywhere near as much" and then, for days or weeks you keep thinking about that blade or rubbers or both until you break down and buy it? Or any other kind of uncontrollable urge that made it so it was hard for you to think until you fulfilled that urge? After it is filled, after you eat the ice cream or buy the Super ALC Viscaria, you might realize, well, I didn't really need it. But until you get it, it invades your brain and it is hard to think about other things. Anything like that ever happen to you?

Okay so, when a women is pregnant, for 9 months, the child is living and growing inside her. The child is actually part of her. And every aspect of her life is completely changed by the child living and growing inside her. Her whole body chemistry changes. This child is ACTUALLY PART OF HER.

After the child is born a whole new set of hormones kick in and her body starts doing new strange things like producing milk to feed the baby. If the child is primarily fed breast milk from the mother for the first 6 months of the kids life, almost every single Atom and Molecule in the child's body would have gone into the child via the mother.

I am not sure you guys appreciate how much of a physical, visceral or emotional bond that creates between the mother and the child.

Men don't experience separation anxiety. I don't know what it feels like but I remember seeing it in my wife and it was not exactly pretty. Now, different women have different responses and different degrees of response to the bond between them and their child after birth. But for some women the child feels like it is really, in some way, a part of them.

Imagine you could take off your arm. But it was your arm and you could put it back on and take it off. And it was living. And it was your arm. Now imagine some court said you have to leave your arm with some guy who (whether real or imagined) had a few moments where he scared the hell out of you for one reason or another (with all those hormones raging through a women's body after childbirth this is actually a frequent occurrence that something that should not have scared them and send them into an emotional tailspin does). And now, this court has told you that you have to leave your arm with this person who you are scared of......

Is that possible? Also, did she really intend to leave one kid and only take the other? Or did she try to take both and simply ran away with the only one she could get out of there with?

We really don't know. And it is possible that she just wants to make sure that the husband does not get to see or spend any time with the kid. But somehow I doubt that is the case.

The father does have rights. I am not saying anyone is right in this situation. But I think you guys are looking at it in such an oversimplified way that you will never understand what is actually going on and that makes it easy to demonize someone without knowing what was actually going on for her.

Is any of what I described above what was going on? Did Ai feel like she was having a deep and emotional part of her taken away from her? I don't know. But I am willing to try and see things from her side. And I have to be honest, it sounds like a predictable response that she does not want to talk about something that for her is very private and has torn her whole life apart.

Is she doing something that is ultimately bad for her, the father of her kids, and most of all her kids? Yes. But I have a feeling that was not what her intention was. And I have a feeling, this had much more to do with internal compulsions and a feeling of desperateness rather than a rational, calculated, malicious act to simply punish the father of her kids and get her way.

Ai did what she did, because like many criminals, she thinks she can get away with it.

Who knows. You might be right. But I have a feeling, what I described above, her feeling like part of her was stolen from her, and then an irrational compulsion, is much more close to what actually went on. Again, what she did will not be good for anyone involved. But if you guys can try to see things how she may have experienced them, you might have a better understanding. Rather than just demonizing her.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

In this scenario:

When the police pulled over and interviewed these two, there biggest concern was if the girl was a danger to the guy. The girl was emotional and scared as hell of telling the police something that would cause the guy to HURT her afterwards. The guy is acting calm and rational and trying to explain the situation as though he is just trying to handle an overly emotional woman and that he has her best interest in mind.

They ignored the reports that caused them to pull the van over which included descriptions of him punching her in the face. They ignored the cuts on her and the lack of physical harm to him.

A few weeks later she was dead. He took her van and her credit cards and her phone and drove across country with them and they still did not pull him in for any of it.

The situation is complicated. What is not complicated is that he killed her and then later, while in hiding, he killed himself.

We really have no idea what went on behind closed doors. We just don't. And those police demonstrated how incapable of understanding the actual scenario even while interviewing them after a report of him assaulting her.

The cases are not related. But it is hard to say what is going on in Ai's mind. It is worth trying to understand some of what she may have been feeling before acting desperately the way she did.

Yes the father should be able to see his kids. But it is worth at least trying to understand the mother's side of things as well.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I think this goes to the heart of the issue you guys are all having. I am a father. I agree that both parents have rights. But if you are thinking she is doing this to keep the kids away from the father:

a) That might not be why she is doing what she is doing.
b) If she is doing this because she is trying to keep the kid away from the father, did something happen (real or imagined) that caused her to be afraid of having the kid left alone with the father?

Look, have you ever had an uncontrollable urge of any kind? Like, maybe you have eaten a full meal and you know you are not hungry but you still have something in you that says: "I need to eat that ice cream" or "that cookie".....Or you tried someone else's TT equipment and thought: "wow, that really feels good to me, I don't like my setup anywhere near as much" and then, for days or weeks you keep thinking about that blade or rubbers or both until you break down and buy it? Or any other kind of uncontrollable urge that made it so it was hard for you to think until you fulfilled that urge? After it is filled, after you eat the ice cream or buy the Super ALC Viscaria, you might realize, well, I didn't really need it. But until you get it, it invades your brain and it is hard to think about other things. Anything like that ever happen to you?

Okay so, when a women is pregnant, for 9 months, the child is living and growing inside her. The child is actually part of her. And every aspect of her life is completely changed by the child living and growing inside her. Her whole body chemistry changes. This child is ACTUALLY PART OF HER.

After the child is born a whole new set of hormones kick in and her body starts doing new strange things like producing milk to feed the baby. If the child is primarily fed breast milk from the mother for the first 6 months of the kids life, almost every single Atom and Molecule in the child's body would have gone into the child via the mother.

I am not sure you guys appreciate how much of a physical, visceral or emotional bond that creates between the mother and the child.

Men don't experience separation anxiety. I don't know what it feels like but I remember seeing it in my wife and it was not exactly pretty. Now, different women have different responses and different degrees of response to the bond between them and their child after birth. But for some women the child feels like it is really, in some way, a part of them.

Imagine you could take off your arm. But it was your arm and you could put it back on and take it off. And it was living. And it was your arm. Now imagine some court said you have to leave your arm with some guy who (whether real or imagined) had a few moments where he scared the hell out of you for one reason or another (with all those hormones raging through a women's body after childbirth this is actually a frequent occurrence that something that should not have scared them and send them into an emotional tailspin does). And now, this court has told you that you have to leave your arm with this person who you are scared of......

Is that possible? Also, did she really intend to leave one kid and only take the other? Or did she try to take both and simply ran away with the only one she could get out of there with?

We really don't know. And it is possible that she just wants to make sure that the husband does not get to see or spend any time with the kid. But somehow I doubt that is the case.

The father does have rights. I am not saying anyone is right in this situation. But I think you guys are looking at it in such an oversimplified way that you will never understand what is actually going on and that makes it easy to demonize someone without knowing what was actually going on for her.

Is any of what I described above what was going on? Did Ai feel like she was having a deep and emotional part of her taken away from her? I don't know. But I am willing to try and see things from her side. And I have to be honest, it sounds like a predictable response that she does not want to talk about something that for her is very private and has torn her whole life apart.

Is she doing something that is ultimately bad for her, the father of her kids, and most of all her kids? Yes. But I have a feeling that was not what her intention was. And I have a feeling, this had much more to do with internal compulsions and a feeling of desperateness rather than a rational, calculated, malicious act to simply punish the father of her kids and get her way.



Who knows. You might be right. But I have a feeling, what I described above, her feeling like part of her was stolen from her, and then an irrational compulsion, is much more close to what actually went on. Again, what she did will not be good for anyone involved. But if you guys can try to see things how she may have experienced them, you might have a better understanding. Rather than just demonizing her.

Of course its difficult for her. Of course its emotional and painful.

But she made the choice to marry this guy, who maybe wasnt right for her. Was she drawn in by his height or good looks? Who knows.

She made the choice to divorce, knowing it would complicate the kids. She chose to cheat and remarry. She agreed to the court ordered joint custody.

Nobody is saying its not emotional for her. But she is responsible for her life decisions.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Of course its difficult for her. Of course its emotional and painful.

But she made the choice to marry this guy, who maybe wasnt right for her. Was she drawn in by his height or good looks? Who knows.

She made the choice to divorce, knowing it would complicate the kids. She chose to cheat and remarry. She agreed to the court ordered joint custody.

Nobody is saying its not emotional for her. But she is responsible for her life decisions.

It is easy to make judgements like this. But it is worth trying to see her side of things.

Those things you are talking about, a lot of things that happen to us in life, we call them choices, we think of them as choices. But we are led by things we are not aware of and often, things we call choices are things that we were swept into more than most people realize.

What is that old saying: "Never judge a man unless you have walked in his shoes." ??

Just try to understand that things may be more complicated than how you are looking at it. I don't know. But since we don't know what was going on for Ai, it is worth at least trying to withhold judgement and see her side even if you CAN ALSO SEE THE FATHER'S SIDE.

It is valid that the father should not have his kids taken away from him. The father should be able to see his kids. I just think it is worth trying to understand some of what may have been going on for Ai that could drive her to what looks like desperate actions from my perspective.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Carl
if there is something wrong with Chiang, Ai has the resources to burn him.
Ai has been in Japan for 2.5 years now.
divorced 2 years

there is zero police complaint on Chiang or anything over this time.
If Chiang is so scary, why did she leave her mom in Chiang care for months?
If Chiang is so terrible, why didn't she seek legal aid the moment she step back in Japan?

Ai is the one with money, fame, lawyers and PR people.
there has been zero complaint other than Ai's "friend who leaked to the media" that Ai was chatting to a close male friend in her home in the middle of the night, because she wasn't happy in Taiwan and how terrible Chiang was and blah blah blah.

If Ai was weak and had no resources, then maybe she would want to hide from the truth and need help to come out and fight. But Ai isn't any small cookie. Things just doesn't add up.

People normally say, there is something wrong with the guy when there is a divorce, or when the wife sleeps around, it is the husbands fault.
Some times yes, some times no.

If Ai moved mom out of the house straight away, or Ai showed some extra action, then maybe, the scale would have tilted.

and since you mention mother and 9 months.... Ai was the one who left the family and left the then 1 year old son in Taiwan to sleep with another man in Japan. Ai was supposed to make it back for son's 2 year old birthday, she didn't. Chiang even posted a video call photo of Ai and the son's birthday with granny, and this was after the scandal was leaked. It felt like that Chiang kept the adult problems away from the kids and mommy just couldn't make it back.

While daddy and granny was looking after the 2 kids, Ai was flying to Japan for business and maybe sleeping around for exactly how long? no one knew and it was the media that broke the news. If Ai wasn't a celebrity, they wouldn't have been paparazzi to leak anything.
Ai is no angel, that is for sure.
So many people in Taiwan have waited for 2.5 years for Ai to say something. She choose to hide and Chiang can only talk to her lawyer. Hopefully with Japanese courts ruling, we can now finally hear something from her.... Chiang does wish for your "suggestion" to come through.

 

[TensorBackhand]

It is easy to make judgements like this. But it is worth trying to see her side of things.

Those things you are talking about, a lot of things that happen to us in life, we call them choices, we think of them as choices. But we are led by things we are not aware of and often, things we call choices are things that we were swept into more than most people realize.

What is that old saying: "Never judge a man unless you have walked in his shoes." ??

Just try to understand that things may be more complicated than how you are looking at it. I don't know. But since we don't know what was going on for Ai, it is worth at least trying to withhold judgement and see her side even if you CAN ALSO SEE THE FATHER'S SIDE.

It is valid that the father should not have his kids taken away from him. The father should be able to see his kids. I just think it is worth trying to understand some of what may have been going on for Ai that could drive her to what looks like desperate actions from my perspective.

Thats why I am all ears. Since she is the one breaking a court order and breaking a contract, I think its reasonable for her to explain what dire situation compelled her to such actions.

Was it out of desperation? Fine then lets hear it.

Was out of selfishness? So far the known facts seem to point to this.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Carl
if there is something wrong with Chiang, Ai has the resources to burn him.
Ai has been in Japan for 2.5 years now.
divorced 2 years

there is zero police complaint on Chiang or anything over this time.
If Chiang is so scary, why did she leave her mom in Chiang care for months?
If Chiang is so terrible, why didn't she seek legal aid the moment she step back in Japan?

Ai is the one with money, fame, lawyers and PR people.
there has been zero complaint other than Ai's "friend who leaked to the media" that Ai was chatting to a close male friend in her home in the middle of the night, because she wasn't happy in Taiwan and how terrible Chiang was and blah blah blah.

If Ai was weak and had no resources, then maybe she would want to hide from the truth and need help to come out and fight. But Ai isn't any small cookie. Things just doesn't add up.

People normally say, there is something wrong with the guy when there is a divorce, or when the wife sleeps around, it is the husbands fault.
Some times yes, some times no.

If Ai moved mom out of the house straight away, or Ai showed some extra action, then maybe, the scale would have tilted.

and since you mention mother and 9 months.... Ai was the one who left the family and left the then 1 year old son in Taiwan to sleep with another man in Japan. Ai was supposed to make it back for son's 2 year old birthday, she didn't. Chiang even posted a video call photo of Ai and the son's birthday with granny, and this was after the scandal was leaked. It felt like that Chiang kept the adult problems away from the kids and mommy just couldn't make it back.

While daddy and granny was looking after the 2 kids, Ai was flying to Japan for business and maybe sleeping around for exactly how long? no one knew and it was the media that broke the news. If Ai wasn't a celebrity, they wouldn't have been paparazzi to leak anything.
Ai is no angel, that is for sure.
So many people in Taiwan have waited for 2.5 years for Ai to say something. She choose to hide and Chiang can only talk to her lawyer. Hopefully with Japanese courts ruling, we can now finally hear something from her.... Chiang does with your "suggestion" comes through.

Yes I also want to know what even forced the divorce in the first place. What was so wrong in their marriage?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I don't know what happened. And again, all I am saying is trying and think of it from her perspective. Just try.

Gabby Petito is not Ai Fukahara. But with the police right there, Gabby said it was all her fault. And the police missed every single cue that, despite what she said, she had been abused. They missed it. And even though the scenario is very different, I just think you guys might be missing some of the stuff that might cause Ai to do something so desperate.

We don't know why Ai isn't speaking. So all we can do is suspend judgement and let things play out.

If I was the father having my kid taken from me, of course I would be upset. But we just don't know what is going on from Ai's perspective. And we probably never will.

That is all I am asking you is to try and understand some of what may be going on for her.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yes I also want to know what even forced the divorce in the first place. What was so wrong in their marriage?

There was rumors leaked in Japan at first of the marriage is not working out, but Ai then denied it (Ai could be the one that leaked it)
This is the most of "what she said"

Wife of Taiwanese table tennis star admits to staying in hotel with another man | Taiwan News | 2021-03-05 11:54:00

Fukuhara Ai insists she, alleged lover slept in separate rooms amid rumor she filed for divorce from Chiang Hung-chieh | 2021-03-05 11:54:00

www.taiwannews.com.tw

and I think when the affair was leaked, there was just a point of no return for her.
She didn't even took part in the divorce proceedings in person

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I don't know what happened. And again, all I am saying is trying and think of it from her perspective. Just try.

Gabby Petito is not Ai Fukahara. But with the police right there, Gabby said it was all her fault.

We don't know why Ai isn't speaking. So all we can do is suspend judgement and let things play out.

If I was the father having my kid taken from me, of course I would be upset. But we just don't know what is going on from Ai's perspective. And we probably never will.

That is all I am asking you is to try and understand some of what may be going on for her.

I tried, it is very difficult to try and understand what may be going on for her.
as you said, did she just give up on the daughter then?

You know, with all this, I even wonder if the son's dna match Chiang's dna