Is super zlc too fast for me?

[zhzhzhz]

what i had to say is p much the same as NextLevel's

dont worry bout it




just use any sidetape your hands can get on if you rly want it

they're all the same....... even a cheapo chinese brand sidetape will work well

for me i dont use sidetape and i dont care that much about my blade hitting the table

hey can you give me tips on rpb I posted a forum but no one replied and I really need tips for my rpb. it goes all over the place and I need to learn to control it.

Sounds like a d*ck. He's asking you to spend money to play like him against your own wish. I don't know how that works in your culture but over here a coach would not get work behaving this way.

I also think I forgot to mention that my coach is a former national player so I just cant help but respect him😅

 

[Sims]

I have been playing for almost a year and when I first got into table tennis one of my seniors gave me an all wood blade with tenergy 05 and dignics 09c before that I was using a recreational racket. my coach has been teaching me with this set up and he told me to get fanzhendong super zlc ( cs because I play penhold ) and without questioning anything I ordered it and it arrives on December I also ordered h3 neo blue sponge (provincial) and a new sheet of 09c. I recently talked to another coach and he told me not to use the setup I ordered for now because it would be too fast for me.
iv been playing with fast rubbers and it does not feel like it is affecting me. I really want to improve so I'm thinking of just getting cheap slow rubbers for now but Im so used to tenergy and dignics it feels so off while using slower rubbers.

( I am currently using a shakehand blade as a penhold blade because I could not find a good all wood cs blade )

You have a coach so this question is really for you and him to decide on. If he recommends it then let him coach you with it. Personally I'd ignore the other coach for now (you have to decide who to listen to) but since you've already ordered it then it seems you've made your choice so no point doubting yourself now. You've got to go all in to make it work.

 

[zhzhzhz]

You have a coach so this question is really for you and him to decide on. If he recommends it then let him coach you with it. Personally I'd ignore the other coach for now (you have to decide who to listen to) but since you've already ordered it then it seems you've made your choice so no point doubting yourself now. You've got to go all in to make it work.

good point. I wanted to get daily coaching (6 times a week) but the coach i am working with does not do that.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

You are playing since 1-3 years ( probably 1-3 times a week for 2 hours and not enormously talented) and you use a blade that 95% of pros (who played tt for 15-30 years, every day for 4-6 hours and are the most talented players in the world) consider to be too fast for them.
Is that enough of an answer?

Source on 95% of pros considering the LYJ SZLC too fast for them?

 

[zhzhzhz]

Source on 95% of pros considering the LYJ SZLC too fast for them?

I did get the FZD SZLC which is almost the same as ZJK SZLC but a bit slower with more control. Even in the ttd video where dan reviewed the ZJK SZLC he said it felt like a sheet of carbon. its not too fast some people just don't like that feeling and it is harder to control the ball with it.
Tamca 5000 and SALC ( I herd somewhere because SALC is has a springy trampoline effect) is considered to be faster than SZLC.
i don't know much tho

 

[Tembel]

Source on 95% of pros considering the LYJ SZLC too fast for them?

Source: WTT broadcasts... Well, most pro's play with slower blades, which means they consider themselves performing better with a slower blade. Therefore I assume Creek means, most probably 99% of us amateurs would perform better with blades that are slower than the ones with SZLC.

That doesn't mean no-one could handle fast blades or could have fun with them. But if the OP is genuinely asking for advice(and is wondering what would make him/her perform better) after playing for less than a year, I think Creek's advice is fair.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Source: WTT broadcasts... Well, most pro's play with slower blades, which means they consider themselves performing better with a slower blade. Therefore I assume Creek means, most probably 99% of us amateurs would perform better with blades that are slower than the ones with SZLC.

That doesn't mean no-one could handle fast blades or could have fun with them. But if the OP is genuinely asking for advice(and is wondering what would make him/her perform better) after playing for less than a year, I think Creek's advice is fair.

Logical fallacy. Just because they do not use it doesn't mean they don't use it because its too fast unless you've heard any state that it is too fast?

Many pros think the LYJ SZLC is too slow actually despite being SZLC. It's much more toned down than the ZJK SZLC.

 

[Tembel]

Logical fallacy. Just because they do not use it doesn't mean they don't use it because its too fast unless you've heard any state that it is too fast?

Many pros think the LYJ SZLC is too slow actually despite being SZLC. It's much more toned down than the ZJK SZLC.

Jun Mizutani is one examples. He played with SZLC for a while and then went back to regular ZLC. You can even read about that on Butterfly's webpage.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Jun Mizutani is one examples. He played with SZLC for a while and then went back to regular ZLC. You can even read about that on Butterfly's webpage.

I don't recall Mizutani playing with the LYJ SZLC

 

[ThePongCommenter]

He played with his own SZLC blade

Which isn't the LYJ SZLC...

 

[Robin0910]

Which isn't the LYJ SZLC...

And it was never stated that he played with that. What was claimed is that he switched back from SZLC to ZLC likely because he found it too fast. So in his case, he switched because he preferred his usual ZLC blade probably because he found SZLC too fast for him

 

[ThePongCommenter]

And it was never stated that he played with that. What was claimed is that he switched back from SZLC to ZLC likely because he found it too fast. So in his case, he switched because he preferred his usual ZLC blade probably because he found SZLC too fast for him

The point I'm making that you aren't getting is that not all blades using the same carbon have the same speed and feeling. The ZJK SZLC is notably faster and harder than the LYJ SZLC. The ZJK ALC is notably harder than the Viscaria. The Timo Boll ALC is harder than the Viscaria.

And I'm skeptical that Butterfly published an article by Mizutani in which they quote him as calling a blade too fast, but even if he did, that's far off from "95% of pros consider the LYJ SZLC too fast".

 

[Sims]

The point I'm making that you aren't getting is that not all blades using the same carbon have the same speed and feeling. The ZJK SZLC is notably faster and harder than the LYJ SZLC. The ZJK ALC is notably harder than the Viscaria. The Timo Boll ALC is harder than the Viscaria.

And I'm skeptical that Butterfly published an article by Mizutani in which they quote him as calling a blade too fast, but even if he did, that's far off from "95% of pros consider the LYJ SZLC too fast".

WhY all the talk about ZM SZLC and LYJ SZLC.

Didn't the OP order a FZD SZLC ?
🤷

 

[zhzhzhz]

WhY all the talk about ZM SZLC and LYJ SZLC.

Didn't the OP order a FZD SZLC ?
🤷

yes i did order FZD sZLC
LYJ sZLC and ZM sZLC are just different blades

 

[pingpongpaddy]

hi zhzhzhz

I think you may be better only being coached 3 times a week. On the other 2 days work on your game with other players. As you don't want to play with LPs like your coach
Learning to think and act for yourself can be a good thing

 

[Tembel]

The point I'm making that you aren't getting is that not all blades using the same carbon have the same speed and feeling. The ZJK SZLC is notably faster and harder than the LYJ SZLC. The ZJK ALC is notably harder than the Viscaria. The Timo Boll ALC is harder than the Viscaria.

And I'm skeptical that Butterfly published an article by Mizutani in which they quote him as calling a blade too fast, but even if he did, that's far off from "95% of pros consider the LYJ SZLC too fast".

https://www.butterfly-global.com/en/story/mizutani_20th/
check 2014-2015. Here is a part of when JM switches back and forth between the blades. The reasoning for the change is a bit vaguely described as that he needs more control now since the playing conditions are so different at different tournaments.

I do not understand why you want to complicate a quite simple question from the OP("Is SZLC too fast for me?") with discussing subtle differences between all these different variants of SZLC blades from butterfly. Still a fact that most pro's prefer to play with non SZLC blades, so most probably the OP with one year experience of playing the game will also perform better with a slower blade. But then of course, if optimal performance is not the most important factor, and more important to hit super hard satisfying drives every once in a while, then sure, SZLC will work fine.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

https://www.butterfly-global.com/en/story/mizutani_20th/
check 2014-2015. Here is a part of when JM switches back and forth between the blades. The reasoning for the change is a bit vaguely described as that he needs more control now since the playing conditions are so different at different tournaments.

I do not understand why you want to complicate a quite simple question from the OP("Is SZLC too fast for me?") with discussing subtle differences between all these different variants of SZLC blades from butterfly. Still a fact that most pro's prefer to play with non SZLC blades, so most probably the OP with one year experience of playing the game will also perform better with a slower blade. But then of course, if optimal performance is not the most important factor, and more important to hit super hard satisfying drives every once in a while, then sure, SZLC will work fine.

I don't disagree that a beginner playing for a year probably shouldn't use SZLC. I do disagree with creating false narratives about why pros do what they do and trying to relate that to amateur players.

 

[zhzhzhz]

I don't disagree that a beginner playing for a year probably shouldn't use SZLC. I do disagree with creating false narratives about why pros do what they do and trying to relate that to amateur players.

can someone just explain the carbon types to me, my coach told me to use sZLC my friends told me to use alc im just confused now.

Btw I have tried zhang jike sZLC and I did not find it too fast. it felt pretty good to use and is the best blade i have tried so far.
i have also tried innerforce zlc, innerforce alc, fang bo b2x

 

[banbekas]

can someone just explain the carbon types to me, my coach told me to use sZLC my friends told me to use alc im just confused now.

Btw I have tried zhang jike sZLC and I did not find it too fast. it felt pretty good to use and is the best blade i have tried so far.
i have also tried innerforce zlc, innerforce alc, fang bo b2x

You think too much, brother.
The feel of each person is different and it would be the same for you too. I'd suggest you to try someone else's blade ALC and SZLC and compare them to see which one you like better.

 

[zhzhzhz]

You think too much, brother.
The feel of each person is different and it would be the same for you too. I'd suggest you to try someone else's blade ALC and SZLC and compare them to see which one you like better.

I did try and i found sZLC better that was the whole point of what I wrote earlier. Im not sure if I'm wording things wrong or if you are not reading it properly. ( I'm not trying to be offensive but it feels like you read my post half way and respond 😅 )