Is this a let/Illegal?

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So i was playing a casual match at my club. In this particular point, i got a lucky edge and raised my hand to say sorry (didnt verbally say sorry just did a hand raise) and my opponent managed to get the ball back and we played the point until i won that point. He said after the point ended it was a let/illegal (not sure which one he said) because it distracted the player but since were playing casual he let it go and didnt replay or take a point. Now im curious, is what i did illegal or a let? What would the outcome be? A point given to the opponent or a replay of the point?
 
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So i was playing a casual match at my club. In this particular point, i got a lucky edge and raised my hand to say sorry (didnt verbally say sorry just did a hand raise) and my opponent managed to get the ball back and we played the point until i won that point. He said after the point ended it was a let/illegal (not sure which one he said) because it distracted the player but since were playing casual he let it go and didnt replay or take a point. Now im curious, is what i did illegal or a let? What would the outcome be? A point given to the opponent or a replay of the point?
Technically it's a fault on you, so point for the opponent, but that's not even called on the pro level. You'll see that from time to time, like someone choing or apologizing before the point was actually over, but I've never seen it called.
 
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Short answer: your hand-raise is not automatically illegal, and it does not automatically make the point a let. However, if your gesture distracted your opponent during the rally, an umpire could rule that the rally should be replayed.

The important distinction is between acknowledging your lucky edge ball and actually distracting your opponent while the point is still in progress.

What do the rules say?​

Under the ITTF Laws of Table Tennis, there is a provision for interruptions when playing conditions are disturbed in a way that could affect the outcome of the rally. The rules also define a let as a rally whose result is not scored.

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Your situation is a little unusual because you weren't trying to gain an advantage. You were simply acknowledging that you got lucky.

What would the outcome be?​

SituationCorrect ruling
You raise your hand briefly to acknowledge the edge, without affecting your opponentPoint stands. You win it.
Your gesture distracts your opponent and could affect the rally's outcomeLet — replay the point.
You deliberately distract your opponent to interfere with their playThis may constitute misconduct and could lead to a warning or penalty, depending on the circumstances.
The distinction between an ordinary let and a point penalty matters: a let means replaying the rally, whereas a point penalty awards the point to your opponent. The relevant rules do not make every distracting movement an automatic point penalty.

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Applying this to your point​

You raised your hand to apologise for a lucky edge, your opponent returned the ball, and the rally continued until you won.

My assessment:

  • If your gesture was brief and natural: I'd let the point stand.
  • If your opponent was genuinely distracted: a let could be justified, even though he managed to return the ball.
  • If you deliberately used the gesture to distract him: that would be a different matter.
One subtlety: the fact that your opponent returned the ball doesn't prove he wasn't distracted. But neither does the fact that he noticed your gesture prove that the gesture affected the rally.

My practical recommendation: keep acknowledging lucky edges with a brief hand raise, ideally without making a sudden or exaggerated movement while the ball is still in play. That's good sportsmanship, and you needn't abandon it.

For your particular incident, I'd lean towards the point standing, unless your opponent was clearly distracted. His decision to let it go during a casual match was a perfectly reasonable way to handle an ambiguous situation.
 
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So i was playing a casual match at my club. In this particular point, i got a lucky edge and raised my hand to say sorry (didnt verbally say sorry just did a hand raise) and my opponent managed to get the ball back and we played the point until i won that point. He said after the point ended it was a let/illegal (not sure which one he said) because it distracted the player but since were playing casual he let it go and didnt replay or take a point. Now im curious, is what i did illegal or a let? What would the outcome be? A point given to the opponent or a replay of the point?
I had a few comments to add but then I read Plunders post.
Best answer possible to this scenario and explains everything perfectly 😁
 
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I had a similar situation in a league where the opponent complained for me saying sorry even though the ball did not hit the floor on his side yet. I think this is a character trait of certain people. Perhaps if they cant play when the opponent does a sound or hand gesture (even though he is supposed to focus on the ball and return it) they shoild not play table tennis at all.
In my case there was even the situation that he complained about me standing behind a barrier as a viewer and he ran back in game trying to reach a ball and complained that he surely would have got it if i would not have stood outside the barriered playing field. Good thing is that we had 2 video recordings of the incident and the club guy responsible formyoutube upload then put both PoVs in the video ridiculing the player and his behaviour... now what do you think happened? They complained and had us taking the video down.

That's good motivation for me if i face him again and hopefully win i will say "so you are not only a bad winner, but also a sore loser".
 
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I had a similar situation in a league where the opponent complained for me saying sorry even though the ball did not hit the floor on his side yet. I think this is a character trait of certain people. Perhaps if they cant play when the opponent does a sound or hand gesture (even though he is supposed to focus on the ball and return it) they shoild not play table tennis at all.
In my case there was even the situation that he complained about me standing behind a barrier as a viewer and he ran back in game trying to reach a ball and complained that he surely would have got it if i would not have stood outside the barriered playing field. Good thing is that we had 2 video recordings of the incident and the club guy responsible formyoutube upload then put both PoVs in the video ridiculing the player and his behaviour... now what do you think happened? They complained and had us taking the video down.
Are you really surprised by that, though?
 
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Technically it's a fault on you, so point for the opponent, but that's not even called on the pro level. You'll see that from time to time, like someone choing or apologizing before the point was actually over, but I've never seen it called.
In a local club play no one cares that much, but in a pro tournament, it's up to the umpire to determine how much of a disturbance was created. There was such a situation at match point fro Christina Kallberg in a match between Zhou Jingyi and Christina Kallberg.
 
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Are you really surprised by that, though?
i was not involved in the upload of the video (and would not even have thought about the second camera angle), but it was nice to see that he was exposed or his club hopefully embarrassed enough to contact the uploader.

For my personally i had made my peace by telling him off when he complained at that very moment. Was i surprised ? I was indeed surprised because i would not have thought that the video upload would get any publicity so that anyone would notice.
 
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i was not involved in the upload of the video (and would not even have thought about the second camera angle), but it was nice to see that he was exposed or his club hopefully embarrassed enough to contact the uploader.

For my personally i had made my peace by telling him off when he complained at that very moment. Was i surprised ? I was indeed surprised because i would not have thought that the video upload would get any publicity so that anyone would notice.
Why do you need to tell anyone off? You can just let people complain about whatever they like, nod and keep playing the game.
 
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It is interesting that this happens quite often in club play. Some of my friends have a habit to say "good one" if their opponents return well. For me, it is a distraction because it will kind of block my brain and I would usually lose that point. But I know they did not do it intentionally.
 
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It is interesting that this happens quite often in club play. Some of my friends have a habit to say "good one" if their opponents return well. For me, it is a distraction because it will kind of block my brain and I would usually lose that point. But I know they did not do it intentionally.
During the point? Bizarre. I've only ever seen it *after*.
 
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Yes, why should it be marked as such?
Like why does it matter?
You either agree with the advice or not, right?
LLMs are good at writing complete garbage in an authoritative way. They're also not genuine opinions based on any kind of empiricism or theories and are purely word guessing.
 
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LLMs are good at writing complete garbage in an authoritative way. They're also not genuine opinions based on any kind of empiricism or theories and are purely word guessing.
I don't think the post in question is a 100% AI generated post.
Only Plunder can confirm but it looks to me that it's his work with the possible input of AI also.

But for someone to ignore the good information and good advice in it and simply label it as AI and scolding that it wasn't already labeled as that, seems weird and off point to me.
 
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Rule of thumb is that if something ambiguous happens that would be a let, like another ball coming onto your court, you can't play the shot or the point and then claim a let afterwards if you miss/lose the rally.

If you play on then you are accepting the outcome.

I think it's also really obvious when something is deliberate or not. Hitting the edge or net and saying sorry or raising a hand is completely normal. As an umpire I wouldn't call a let for that.

If you hit the edge and then made gorilla noises, that'd be a different story (please record if you plan on doing this).

EDIT: I'd stop play if someone was commenting "good one" in the middle of rallies tbh.
 
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