Looking for a backhand-punch rubber

[Amayzde]

Hi folks,

I would like some suggestions regarding a new backhand rubber

I have been playing a few months now with the infamous Nittaku Fastarc G-1 on both sides. While I love it on my forehand, on my backhand its more of a love-hate relationship.

I love the rubber whenever I do slow spinny backhand openups against backspin. It often results in a direct point because the opponent is overwhelmed by the amount of spin I create.

I also love it for doing banana flicks on short sidespin serves. This also often results in a direct point.

But I hate it whenever the rally is open and my opponent starts pressuring my backhand. I feel like Im trapped and can’t do anything else then just put the ball back.

I figured that after my openup, I am more of a backhand punch player. And for some reason I just find it hard to punch with the G-1.

So I am looking for a rubber thats more suited for punching close to the table, but can still create alot of spin on the openup and flicks.

A few rubbers that crossed my mind are:
-Fastarc P-1. Seems the most similar to the G-1 with the same sponge hardnes of 47,5 deg, but with a softer topsheet.
-Fastarc C-1. I believe it has the same topsheet as the G-1, but with a softer sponge.
-Tibhar Hybrid MK. Seems to be a good allrounder with lots of spin capabilities.

Looking forward to suggestions!

 

[kevin.c]

I use nittaku hammond z2 2.0 where its very effective for punch shots. As it's fairly hard, open ups are more difficult as the balls don't sink into the sponge as much as a softer rubber. I think it's a trade-off between a better punch rubber (harder) vs a better spin/flick (softer/catapulty) rubber.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Adriana Diaz of Puerto-Rico, WR No. 9 as of Apr24 is known for her aggressive backhand punch. She uses Dignics 64 on her BH for this purpose.

 

[ViperTableTennis]

Nittaku Goriki Kaisoku might be worth a look. ​

 

[PoorPingPong&PianoPlayer]

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/punch-oriented-backhand-rubbers.33033/

 

[Ultravisitor]

Yinhe Moon 12 in M+ or harder. It's very easy to block and punch, while being spinny in openups. But it has not the same catapult effect.

 

[Zwill]

Hi folks,

I would like some suggestions regarding a new backhand rubber

I have been playing a few months now with the infamous Nittaku Fastarc G-1 on both sides. While I love it on my forehand, on my backhand its more of a love-hate relationship.

I love the rubber whenever I do slow spinny backhand openups against backspin. It often results in a direct point because the opponent is overwhelmed by the amount of spin I create.

I also love it for doing banana flicks on short sidespin serves. This also often results in a direct point.

But I hate it whenever the rally is open and my opponent starts pressuring my backhand. I feel like Im trapped and can’t do anything else then just put the ball back.

I figured that after my openup, I am more of a backhand punch player. And for some reason I just find it hard to punch with the G-1.

So I am looking for a rubber thats more suited for punching close to the table, but can still create alot of spin on the openup and flicks.

A few rubbers that crossed my mind are:
-Fastarc P-1. Seems the most similar to the G-1 with the same sponge hardnes of 47,5 deg, but with a softer topsheet.
-Fastarc C-1. I believe it has the same topsheet as the G-1, but with a softer sponge.
-Tibhar Hybrid MK. Seems to be a good allrounder with lots of spin capabilities.

Looking forward to suggestions!

I guess the problem is if you get a punch oriented rubber you will lose some of the spiny open ups. It's always balance between the two.
If you like German made rubbers the ones that are oriented for fast hits are Rasanter V series, so V47, Xiom Vega Asia (T64-ish), Gewo Nexxus 48 XT (XT is for speed, EL would be more like the G-1). These are all around 47-8degrees sponge hardness like G-1.

From Japanese made rubbers there's obviously Tenergy 64, Stiga Mantra Pro M in this hardness range.

Some alternative might be Tenergy 80, Victas V>15 extra, Tibhar MX-P, these are more balanced rubbers between speed and spin and still have about the same hardness.

From Chinese rubbers you can try the Yinhe Moon 12 M- or M+, but it's not as fast as these other rubbers, but still has some more than sufficient bounce.

I never tried Tibhar Quantum X Pro but should worth a look too. I played against it and it seems like a worthy rubber.

It's worth to note that many German made rubbers don't last long. G-1 lasts very long, and V>15 too. MXP, Vega Asia, Gewo nexxus etc etc not so much.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

speaking of durability, why is G1 also from ESN last so long whereas M1, MX-P et al are infamous for their short useful life. I am baffled...

 

[Manto76]

Rakza 7.

It won't give you quite the same 'venom' in your punch as MXP or V15 Extra, but it's easier to open up with, a bit more forgiving generally, and still generates more than respectable spin.

 

[Zwill]

speaking of durability, why is G1 also from ESN last so long whereas M1, MX-P et al are infamous for their short useful life. I am baffled...

Planned obsolescence? MXP or Rasanter dying after 4 weeks sure helps Tibhar's, Andro's (and ESN's bottom lines)

I don't see an issue using G-1 or V15 Extra for even a year, I have 2 year old black sheet that is not much worse than a new red one to be honest.

Also it's interesting that the Japanese brands don't release so many new rubbers. Like Victas maybe releases a new rubber series every 2 years, Yasaka and Nittaku every 5 years?

The more "hip" brands like Andro, Tibhar, Xiom etc shit out a new lineup every year.

I don't wanna bully any brand, but seems like the Japanese ones are not doing so much of a crash grab.

 

[Arkady]

Hi folks,

I would like some suggestions regarding a new backhand rubber

I have been playing a few months now with the infamous Nittaku Fastarc G-1 on both sides. While I love it on my forehand, on my backhand its more of a love-hate relationship.

I love the rubber whenever I do slow spinny backhand openups against backspin. It often results in a direct point because the opponent is overwhelmed by the amount of spin I create.

I also love it for doing banana flicks on short sidespin serves. This also often results in a direct point.

But I hate it whenever the rally is open and my opponent starts pressuring my backhand. I feel like Im trapped and can’t do anything else then just put the ball back.

I figured that after my openup, I am more of a backhand punch player. And for some reason I just find it hard to punch with the G-1.

So I am looking for a rubber thats more suited for punching close to the table, but can still create alot of spin on the openup and flicks.

A few rubbers that crossed my mind are:
-Fastarc P-1. Seems the most similar to the G-1 with the same sponge hardnes of 47,5 deg, but with a softer topsheet.
-Fastarc C-1. I believe it has the same topsheet as the G-1, but with a softer sponge.
-Tibhar Hybrid MK. Seems to be a good allrounder with lots of spin capabilities.

Looking forward to suggestions!

I was playing with the same setup (G1 on both sides), and I was looking -exactly like you- for a backhand rubber good for blocking and backhand punches, as my game relies heavily on these shots.

The best rubbers that I've tried in these areas are:
-Tenergy 64. Excellent for blocking, superb in backahnd punch shot but a it's a bit fast and uncontrollable for long pushes.
-Victas V>11. This is my current choice. It is spin insensitive, perfect for blocking and backhand shots but it's not the best choice for flicks or lifting underspin balls. But you can't have it all....

 

[Lazer]

speaking of durability, why is G1 also from ESN last so long whereas M1, MX-P et al are infamous for their short useful life. I am baffled...

I think bounciness costs in lifetime.
More bounce = less life. The high tension also wears on the top sheet…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Reaper]

my style is also backhand puncher/chopper, I use 61second Kangaroo on 1.5mm 42°, i suggest you to get the 2.2mm version if you dont chop

 

[banbekas]

G1 itself is very good for backhand punch. You'd be hard pressed to find something that can do everything as well as G1. Part of me would like you to keep trying backhand punch using G1 but since you asked for a different rubber than look no further than Vega Europe or stiga DNA.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I think bounciness costs in lifetime.
More bounce = less life. The high tension also wears on the top sheet…

Cheers
L-zr

then it would be safe to assume those non tension non speed glue effect rubber would last a long long time. Am I correct to say such a statement?

 

[Lazer]

then it would be safe to assume those non tension non speed glue effect rubber would last a long long time. Am I correct to say such a statement?

With the same quality components it would last longer, how long… hard to say…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Amayzde]

G1 itself is very good for backhand punch. You'd be hard pressed to find something that can do everything as well as G1. Part of me would like you to keep trying backhand punch using G1 but since you asked for a different rubber than look no further than Vega Europe or stiga DNA.

Yes, you are right. Like I said its not that I don’t like G-1 on bh at all. Just when the opponent pressures my bh it becomes a weak point.

So maybe I put the title a bit wrong. Im not looking for too big of a change. But rather something similar with more control that allows me to have more feeling.

Thats why I mentioned the C-1 and P-1. Those have a softer feel that might be more foregiving.

 

[latej]

Yes, you are right. Like I said its not that I don’t like G-1 on bh at all. Just when the opponent pressures my bh it becomes a weak point.

So maybe I put the title a bit wrong. Im not looking for too big of a change. But rather something similar with more control that allows me to have more feeling.

Thats why I mentioned the C-1 and P-1. Those have a softer feel that might be more foregiving.

Yes, the G-1 has a bit harder top-sheet. It's good but I also prefer slightly softer top-sheet, while having similar sponge hardness, on the BH. It's more easily accessible on the BH. So I can follow your feeling that you try to describe. I can suggest Vega Pro or Vega X. Vega Pro feels a bit softer than Vega X. Both feel better on the BH for me. Vega X is more powerful. It's hard to estimate which one of those 2 you'd like more. I think you could start with Vega Pro. Cheers.

 

[jonyer80]

The way I see it, G1 is a quite dependent rubbers since it's requires quite a fast blade to unleash it's potential. Be as it may: G1 It's a well rounded rubber that stands out in consistency, but doesn't have neither the springiness of any of the fastest tensor nor the spin of D05/T05.


I've tried on Innerforce ZLC as a BH rubber but it turned out to be the same: it lacks power when it comes to rallying and pushing,

 

[KLooper]

Hi @Amayzde ,

No sure if the problem statement has been properly defined. As there may be combination of multiple issues with different weightage.

You may further explore their weightage along with validation by another observing player:

1. Blade characteristics (stiffness, hardness, weight, feel, speed, control)

2. Rubber characteristics (same but I'm combination with various blades if you have alternative ones)

3. Backhand stroke and technique for open play. No limited to mid distance quick flick-smash (especially this one for quick counter attack), powerful loopdrive, spinny loop, supporting footworks. Sometimes it is not about (just) the equipment.