Looking for a Fh Rubber

[Zezima]

Thanks for the reply.

Honestly, I feel that Occam's Razor should be the order of the day here: ie -- the simplest solution is most likely the right one.

My advice is find yourself a sheet of Loki Rxton 3 Blue, try it for at least 3 months on your FH side, and see how you go.

I would also only practice your FH drive with it for the first month at least, and only start looping with it in the second half of the trial period, once you're far more used to it. It's a great rubber IMO, but it's also VERY different to your current Dignics.

Why this rubber, and why this method?

- it has pretty dense sponge, and should provide you lots of good quality feedback on a Korbel.

- it has LOTS more catapult than a standard H3, but also has a LOT less catapult that every top-line tensor out there.

- It's spinny, it's versatile, and has no obvious flaws in its capabilities.

- It's a surprisingly fast rubber when you get your technique right, and it spins like a right mofo when you get your brush right. Just like with an H3, these things never really bottom out, they only move the ball faster, and add more spin. Unlike with a H3 however, their baseline catapult speed is still pretty high considering the harder-than-average feeling it's sponge has.

-It's right in that catapult sweet spot I described earlier -- i.e.: its genuinely closer to a H3 than a Tenergy, but it's still somewhere towards the middle of that spectrum between the two.

- It's pretty low throw. Not as low as H3, but definitely low enough that it will force you to adjust your loop. It will also force you to hit more forwards if you just drive with it for just a month or so, . Then when you try looping with it later, you soon realise executing an effective (and destructive!) FH loop with it, is a hugely similar stroke to FH driving with one... Which is exactly how it's supposed to be.

- It's moderately tacky, but it's moderately fast sponge gives it a distinctly more hybrid-like playing feel, unlike a bog standard H3.

- It has roughly similar levels of tack to a Dignics, so it's friction point should still feel pretty familiar to your sense of touch.

- If you keep it very clean and away from oxygen between matches, then it's a long lasting and hard wearing rubber. I find one sheet can last you up to 6 months of regular play (at least 60 hours of hard hitting... It lasts far less however if you don't look after it however).

- If you transfer your weight properly with it during FH loops, it is a viscous, wild, attacking predatory beast of a rubber that can genuinely compete with rubbers twice it's price!

- If you *don't* weight transfer however, it's more like a large grumpy snarling dog standing behind a fence (ie: it has plenty of attacking potential, but it doesn't really scare anybody until you learn to let it off the chain. In other words, it will keep your FH technique honest and give you instant feedback during mistakes, but it also won't completely bury you for your technique errors. If your opponents are struggling against it, then you're doing something right.... And If they're not wrestling with the spin and speed, then you're doing something wrong.

- It is just utterly ridiculous value for money as far as rubbers go. It's not just pretty affordable, it's downright bloody cheap by every measure. If you don't like it, you've only spent less than €25 euro, including postage. Using it even just for a week will teach you a hell of a lot about what your money can get you in real terms.

- Most importantly it will allow you to still compete and have fun, even as you are learning and adapting your FH game.

There are many, many other rubbers out there could will do an equally good job. An R3Blue however will do exactly the same thing as they will, without also costing you anything remotely substantial. So why spend more than you have to? At best it's potentially a partial solution to your problem, at worst it's a harmless experiment that cost you chicken feed.

For someone in your situation, the R3Blue is genuinely a no-lose, no-brainer option worth trying. It's good enough to impress most players right out of the wrapper, and is good enough to have you genuinely competing and going toe to toe with your opponents.... Assuming that is, that you personally have technique that's good enough to bring out the best in it.

You can find them for sale on Aliexpress, Alibaba, or on countless other SE Asian TT retail websites out there. Otherwise try looking up some of the many R3 Blue reviews from European players that exist on YouTube.... Some of them are bound to have some online sales affiliate links in the comments.

Don't even bother about trying to shop around to get the lowest price you can on one -- just find a store you've heard of that stocks them, and buy one from there. You'll still be able to pick up four of them for the same price as a Dignics.(Shopping around for a cheaper R3Blue is a bit like shopping around for a cheaper box of matches, or a cheaper HB pencil - sure you can do it, but why would anyone ever bother?

PS: some of the older stock of R3 Blues had QA issues, but in my experience at least those were all fixed ages ago.

PPS: If you can't get an R3 Blue, get an Rxton 3 Pink instead. It's essentially the exact same rubber, with the exact same features. The only differences it has to the R3 Blue are its colour, it's marginally softer sponge, it's marginally lower catapult, and it's marginally lighter weight. Everything else about it is exactly the same (frankly the R3 Pink is are one of my all time favourite FH rubbers to use, and I say that based entirely on its performance, playing feel, spin and speed... The fact it is also dirt cheap is frankly irrelevant, and has nothing to do with imy love of it whatsoever... Game recognise game! 😎😎😎

Have you looked into xiom vega europe H ?
Also what do you mean by 3months only do drives? I can do drives already and doing no topspins for 3 months will def make my topspins worse might aswell stop play tabletennis lol.

I am not a big fan of buying rubbers from places like aliexpress. I think it also takes long to ship and extra toll costs or something idk.
Also do you mean rxton 3 blue sponge or blue color? If its the color it wont work since I play d09c in red on my bh already.

I do want to have a rubber that literally "forces" me to loop into the ball and forwards. I think in theory it has to be a rubber that gives me not much speed but the softness of the rubber + throw angle has to fit to my technique. If its too hard to activate I am busy activating the sponge instead of focusing on my swing directory aswell. I think this is what people call when they say its easier to place the ball wherever you want. Because they don't need to focus on penetrating the sponge as much and can focus more on the direction.
Right now I can loop anywhere on the table (I can go parallel and even loop to the elbow in drills) The problem is the quality is super bad and the feedback is more from watching the ball land on the other side than a good contactfeeling in my hands from the sponge. It's just too hard to feel the difference. With a coach I would stick with this rubber still but without I need something where I can correct myself easier.

 

[Zezima]

only my humble opinion - (I haven't been playing for that long).

I can tell you're really trying to improve and you invest A LOT of time writing posts and analyzing equipment. I think you said you've been playing for 5+ years already.

In my opinion, after watching your video - I would suggest doing anything possible to either find a coach or start playing with better players on the regular.

It's not really about the equipment (even if your current setup isn't ideal), and the way to get significantly better is not by spending a lot of time debating on the forum.

IMO what will really help you a lot more is :

1. Coach
2. Better playing partners
3. More training.

If you can combine all 3 - great. But even 2 of them can really help you make a jump.

Personally I had very little theoretical knowledge when I started playing, alot less then you do.

But I found the best players I could and played them as much as I could. And it worked for me.

I know but I have no opportunity since there is no coach. Better players don't train or train only with their same skilled teammate. Since they are 40+ old they also just do casual drills. No hard systemtrainings.

So only option 3 is left. And the fact that I still asked better players to train with me 2 said yes but will see if it actually turns into something consistent (never played together so far).

Thats why I want to switch to a rubber where I can get easier feedback on the "right" feeling and is not so hard to penetrate the rubber as d09c.

But either way training with better players wont magically make my fhs better. If anything it will look worse under pressure.

 

[MORTtheORT]

I know but I have no opportunity since there is no coach. Better players don't train or train only with their same skilled teammate. Since they are 40+ old they also just do casual drills. No hard systemtrainings.

So only option 3 is left. And the fact that I still asked better players to train with me 2 said yes but will see if it actually turns into something consistent (never played together so far).

Thats why I want to switch to a rubber where I can get easier feedback on the "right" feeling and is not so hard to penetrate the rubber as d09c.

But either way training with better players wont magically make my fhs better. If anything it will look worse under pressure.

Is it the only club in the area? Have you directly asked the better players if they could spend 10 minutes helping you?

 

[Zezima]

also I randomly found a comment by lokigermany on youtube:

@lokigermany ​

vor 8 Monaten

Hardness depends on which h3 u buy. h3 40 degrees is about the same as the rxton3 blue. neo is already boosted, rxton 3 blue needs boost to get closer to the h3. its still going to be slower than h3 though and therefore tiny bit less spin aswell

Reading this comment I don't think thats the rubber I should go for.

Is it the only club in the area? Have you directly asked the better players if they could spend 10 minutes helping you?

Yes I asked the 1700 player but that was in november last year. Then he got sick he went on vacation a couple weeks, his back hurts.. not sure he is supposed to write me this or next week latest so lets see. The female player offered tomorrow and monday. But Tomorrow I have a match so I will take up the offer on this monday.

Edit:
No there are many clubs like 10 or more if I look over to switzerland aswell. But noone at or better than me who would be willing to train. There was another club but they wanted to train only together with his teammate. He was like I train once a week and that he should train with his teammate.

 

[Amayzde]

Last 7 years I havent had anything softer than 47,5° rubber on my fh. So I don't even know how that would feel. Played the likes of g1, aurus prime, r48,mx-p,g09c,r7, mx-d

Please recommend some rubbers you think it would greatly benefit and get more confident in using my fh even if I am standing not perfect to the ball but still easier to activate the sponge.

I mean I dont know what you want us to tell you. All these rubbers you mentioned are good and have been good for over a decade now. Maybe with the exception of Glayzer 09C. You used to play with G-1 on FH and R7 on BH, right? I think you should go back to that, and stick with them for... well... forever(!).

And I have to admit I have been in this situation as well. Looking for the rubber that is a perfect fit for your technique. Asking recomendations on this forum only for people to recommend the same rubbers I have already played with. But the truth is that the reason these keep getting mentioned is because they work, and they have been working for over 15 years now.

Yeah yeah, I know these rubbers are boring, and these Dignics or Hybrid or the new Zyre rubbers seem more prestigious. But they are expensive, and amateurs like us cant even use them to their fullest potential. Maybe on a good multiball feed, but definetely not in match type of situations.

I myself went from my Innerforce ZLC back to my old Ma Lin Carbon. I was pretty good with the Innerforce. I played a full year with many highs and lows. When it came down to the wire I would just make a couple unforced errors that would cost me the match. I have to admit that playing with the Ma Lin doesnt feel as sharp as the Innerforce, especially for my backhand it was quite a downgrade. But it allows me to win more matches because I can make my shots hit the table more often. Even in tight matches.

So yeah my advise might be a bit boring and not the answer you are looking for. But Im only saying this because I have your best interest for improving your consistency in training as well as match performance.

 

[MORTtheORT]

also I randomly found a comment by lokigermany on youtube:

@lokigermany ​

vor 8 Monaten

Hardness depends on which h3 u buy. h3 40 degrees is about the same as the rxton3 blue. neo is already boosted, rxton 3 blue needs boost to get closer to the h3. its still going to be slower than h3 though and therefore tiny bit less spin aswell

Reading this comment I don't think thats the rubber I should go for.



Yes I asked the 1700 player but that was in november last year. Then he got sick he went on vacation a couple weeks, his back hurts.. not sure he is supposed to write me this or next week latest so lets see. The female player offered tomorrow and monday. But Tomorrow I have a match so I will take up the offer on this monday.

Edit:
No there are many clubs like 10 or more if I look over to switzerland aswell. But noone at or better than me who would be willing to train. There was another club but they wanted to train only together with his teammate. He was like I train once a week and that he should train with his teammate.

Maybe worth just randomly playing at these other clubs to see if there is that player who can share some wisdom or small corrections. Keep an eye out for that player who might not be as good as you in ratings etc but knows the game. Sometimes coaches are not necessarily particularly high rated players themselves but understand how to teach the game. I do know a lady who is in the low 1000s herself but is an excellent coach with a great eye.

Just seems like players around you are not so willing to help which from my experience is unusual. You do have to be careful when you don't have a coach from taking advise from too many directions as well and this is a problem that lots of players experience. It can be a way of picking up bad habits but you have to do what you have to do with whatever resources are available to you.

A left field solution is signing up to a known coaches online training system. They review your videos and give you examples and drills etc to work on. This could be the best solution for your situation to improve and remove doubt and installing clear progression direction that will ultimately lead you to being the player you are working towards.

 

[Tyce]

also I randomly found a comment by lokigermany on youtube:

@lokigermany ​

vor 8 Monaten

Hardness depends on which h3 u buy. h3 40 degrees is about the same as the rxton3 blue. neo is already boosted, rxton 3 blue needs boost to get closer to the h3. its still going to be slower than h3 though and therefore tiny bit less spin aswell

Reading this comment I don't think thats the rubber I should go for.

Loki's advertised 40 degrees on Rxton 3 Pro (the blue sponge one).... It really isn't. It's softer than 39 degree Hurricane. But to be honest, you are reading too much, nitpicking on properties that are really not dealbreakers, overthinking and overcomplicating things.
Also, don't trust any claims from Loki about anything.

Yes I asked the 1700 player but that was in november last year. Then he got sick he went on vacation a couple weeks, his back hurts.. not sure he is supposed to write me this or next week latest so lets see. The female player offered tomorrow and monday. But Tomorrow I have a match so I will take up the offer on this monday.

Edit:
No there are many clubs like 10 or more if I look over to switzerland aswell. But noone at or better than me who would be willing to train. There was another club but they wanted to train only together with his teammate. He was like I train once a week and that he should train with his teammate.

Are there no other clubs that offer coached training once a week or so? Yes, you would benefit from playing better players, but you would also benefit from playing worse players under the guidance of a good coach.

 

[Zezima]

I mean I dont know what you want us to tell you. All these rubbers you mentioned are good and have been good for over a decade now. Maybe with the exception of Glayzer 09C. You used to play with G-1 on FH and R7 on BH, right? I think you should go back to that, and stick with them for... well... forever(!).

And I have to admit I have been in this situation as well. Looking for the rubber that is a perfect fit for your technique. Asking recomendations on this forum only for people to recommend the same rubbers I have already played with. But the truth is that the reason these keep getting mentioned is because they work, and they have been working for over 15 years now.

Yeah yeah, I know these rubbers are boring, and these Dignics or Hybrid or the new Zyre rubbers seem more prestigious. But they are expensive, and amateurs like us cant even use them to their fullest potential. Maybe on a good multiball feed, but definetely not in match type of situations.

I myself went from my Innerforce ZLC back to my old Ma Lin Carbon. I was pretty good with the Innerforce. I played a full year with many highs and lows. When it came down to the wire I would just make a couple unforced errors that would cost me the match. I have to admit that playing with the Ma Lin doesnt feel as sharp as the Innerforce, especially for my backhand it was quite a downgrade. But it allows me to win more matches because I can make my shots hit the table more often. Even in tight matches.

So yeah my advise might be a bit boring and not the answer you are looking for. But Im only saying this because I have your best interest for improving your consistency in training as well as match performance.

Yes I agree but deep down I want to go and play something like xiom vega europe(there seems so be a hybrid version aswell) type of soft rubber on my fh. Even softer than G1 actually. Just so I can tell the direction I want to go with my fh. Because as you said I could not tell you the difference between g1 and d09c because I am not consistently hitting the way I should especially in matches.

All I know is I don't want R7 on my bh the d09c on my bh felt like a huge upgrade and finally I can see in my videos that I am actively using my bh aswell and even win the rallys. I also think I have a good bh technique especially against blockballs and decent enough vs backspin (here the motion could be more shorter). Here if I can get my footwork and anticipation better I can use and win more points. For this I dont need a coach. Biggest trouble is still serve receive and thats cause I am too bad to read serves properly.

 

[Zezima]

Loki's advertised 40 degrees on Rxton 3 Pro (the blue sponge one).... It really isn't. It's softer than 39 degree Hurricane. But to be honest, you are reading too much, nitpicking on properties that are really not dealbreakers, overthinking and overcomplicating things.
Also, don't trust any claims from Loki about anything.

Are there no other clubs that offer coached training once a week or so? Yes, you would benefit from playing better players, but you would also benefit from playing worse players under the guidance of a good coach.

no clue but either way my rubber color has to be black.
Isn't the rubber from loki? if anything you have to trust the seller telling you the truth of their rubber.

Noone does coached training let alone systemtraining together. These are 40+ players who play to keep up their skillelevel. Looking at their RC Graph they all seem to have the same rating for years or slowly dropping. I am one of the very few people who is going up in rating over the years.

 

[Zezima]

I think to summarize I would like some recommendation that is a rubber you would recommend someone who thinks g1 is still too hard.

I currently think about these type of rubbers:
Vega europe (H), R45, T19 (people say its easier to use than T05 and if I don't like it I can give it to my brother)
all in max thickness.

Thoughts?

 

[jk1980]

Then try the nuzn 45. It is softer than the g-1 and still quite linear with not too much catapult at least that is what they say

 

[Wakkibatty]

Have you looked into xiom vega europe H ?
Also what do you mean by 3months only do drives? I can do drives already and doing no topspins for 3 months will def make my topspins worse might aswell stop play tabletennis lol.

I am not a big fan of buying rubbers from places like aliexpress. I think it also takes long to ship and extra toll costs or something idk.
Also do you mean rxton 3 blue sponge or blue color? If its the color it wont work since I play d09c in red on my bh already.

I do want to have a rubber that literally "forces" me to loop into the ball and forwards. I think in theory it has to be a rubber that gives me not much speed but the softness of the rubber + throw angle has to fit to my technique. If its too hard to activate I am busy activating the sponge instead of focusing on my swing directory aswell. I think this is what people call when they say its easier to place the ball wherever you want. Because they don't need to focus on penetrating the sponge as much and can focus more on the direction.
Right now I can loop anywhere on the table (I can go parallel and even loop to the elbow in drills) The problem is the quality is super bad and the feedback is more from watching the ball land on the other side than a good contactfeeling in my hands from the sponge. It's just too hard to feel the difference. With a coach I would stick with this rubber still but without I need something where I can correct myself easier.

Check your PMs 🙂

 

[ThePongCommenter]

no clue but either way my rubber color has to be black.
Isn't the rubber from loki? if anything you have to trust the seller telling you the truth of their rubber.

Noone does coached training let alone systemtraining together. These are 40+ players who play to keep up their skillelevel. Looking at their RC Graph they all seem to have the same rating for years or slowly dropping. I am one of the very few people who is going up in rating over the years.

You would probably be better off traveling to the nearest club with a good coach and good players, and just going all in on training and getting feedback for a few days or a week. You will have to spend money probably. Take the valuable lessons with you. In the end, that will be less time than rambling online for another year.

 

[Zezima]

You would probably be better off traveling to the nearest club with a good coach and good players, and just going all in on training and getting feedback for a few days or a week. You will have to spend money probably. Take the valuable lessons with you. In the end, that will be less time than rambling online for another year.

I went to a trainingscamp in germany for 4 days. They all said my technique is fine I should work on my footwork instead. I was training with better players so my playing level was also much better especially on the 2nd day. It has gotten much worse since I am back here again playing with worse players.

Either way it was more of a camp to just train with better players than to get actual detailed feedback. As long as you brought the ball back on the table they were fine with it.

But I do think of joining a different camp somewhere else just don't know where it would be good. We plan to go to London in May so maybe I will go to a club nearby there for a few days.

 

[Zezima]

Then try the nuzn 45. It is softer than the g-1 and still quite linear with not too much catapult at least that is what they say

yeah looks interesting aswell I just would prefer to hear from someone who has actually used that rubber. I might watch some reviews online about this rubber.

 

[Amayzde]

All I know is I don't want R7 on my bh the d09c on my bh felt like a huge upgrade and finally I can see in my videos that I am actively using my bh aswell and even win the rallys. I also think I have a good bh technique especially against blockballs and decent enough vs backspin (here the motion could be more shorter). Here if I can get my footwork and anticipation better I can use and win more points. For this I dont need a coach. Biggest trouble is still serve receive and thats cause I am too bad to read serves properly.

I know what you mean man . This is exactly what happened to my backhand when I upgraded my blade to Innerforce ZLC. My 'just okay' backhand changed into a deadly weapon. But serve recieve was tough. And guess what? Every rally starts with a serve. Now I went for kind of a double downgrade with changing back to Ma Lin Carbon for my blade and changing my BH from G1 to R7. And although my backhand isnt as deadly in the rallies anymore. I do win more matched because its easier to keep the ball low on recieve. I picked consistency over potential.

BTW I dont wanna convince you to change your BH rubber, just sharing my personal experience on this.

I think to summarize I would like some recommendation that is a rubber you would recommend someone who thinks g1 is still too hard.

I currently think about these type of rubbers:
Vega europe (H), R45, T19 (people say its easier to use than T05 and if I don't like it I can give it to my brother)
all in max thickness.

Thoughts?

As for your forehand I think you should stay away from the hybrid versions of rubbers. Since they will generally all feel as hard if not harder then G1.

T19 is definetly softer, but its not a linear rubber as you asked for in the OP. I think R45 can work, but the older line like the R47 is more linear. NUZN 45 or 48 can also work but I have no personal experience with these.

I went to a trainingscamp in germany for 4 days. They all said my technique is fine I should work on my footwork instead.

I agree with this. I mentioned in your other post about "Technique correction" that your technique itself is good enough to the point you dont need to focus on these micro-details. You just need to adjust it better to different match-type situations. If there is 1 thing I have learned it is: you cant use your technique if you are not standing correctly according to the incoming ball.

I was personally shocked at how much my forehand improved after doing multiballs on a weekly basis. And it wasnt nessecarely my technique that got better, it was my ability to adjust my feet correctly for every incoming ball.

 

[NetProphet]

Yeah getting advice on a forum where most people are anonymous is definitely a gamble, but since that is the one he has clearly chosen to take in a very intense way, he would probably be better off not exhausting all the people who have tried to help. I am also not sure if his end goal is to truly be openminded and try new things or just have people tell him that what he's thinking is all right, and whether he has taken this approach because he doesn't have access to coaching or just doesn't want to spend the money.

Yeah.
I get that idea in my head sometimes too and find myself being quite skeptical (basically judgemental) when someone says "I really want to get better at Table Tennis" and yet a year later they still haven't had any real coaching.
Of course it's not impossible to improve without going to organised and formal coaching but it's definitely going to be harder.
My observation is they usually end up confused from the varius differing opinions they receive, often from well meaning people, and they find themsel changing tack far too often.
I remember a comment from an advanced player who was helping me at a new (quite successful) club I'd joined when I mentioned about how helpful everyone was being.
He simply said my biggest problem in that regard was going to be deciding who to ignore 😂
How right he was!

 

[NextLevel]

Well I'm talking about practicing with lower players so one is prepared in higher level tourments against lower level balls. Because every now and then even FZD will fart out a totally noob ball and if you are prepared for that you will slap FZD on his ass at that moment. If you are not prepared you will get slapped.
Most players are not FZD so they will release more noob balls. I say better practice to slap those balls. Who to practice those with? With noobs.

This is overstated. There is some value to play players below your level or players with weird styles once in a while. But doing it too often or almost exclusively except as part of regular training will degrade your level. You need quality opponents who play with the right speed and quality to stay sharp. Playing inconsistent players who are too slow will lead to forming bad habits. But that is why when you can find a better player to play you, you need to show gratitude and find ways to reward them. Many people take it for granted and don't understand what to do in those situations - they don't understand that they benefit just by hitting with the better player and should try to do everything the better player asks so that the better player wants to repeat the experience or finds value in it. The better player usually doesn't want your power, he wants your control.

 

[songdavid98]

yes no doubt they are better than me (all 3 of them in the vid). I just thought it would be easier for me to get into the game if I go to a softer rubber that gives me better control when I am mostly reacting. So even though I will be not in optimal position it might give me the confidence to still try and go for the shot. My biggest problem is anticipation and where to move after I hit a shot. And as you correctly said I need to get exposed to these players more. We just have 8 rounds so 8 weeks of 2-3 matches per gameday then 2months break and another 8 rounds. After that its 6months break... So I don't get the chance to play vs these players let alone train with them. So I am finding other ways to get to their level somehow

offtopic:
I actually wrote the female player after our match and asked to train together sometime. I think we will play on Monday. So that will help if we can train more often. She is currently #2 These 3 players are top 5 currently in the league. The bh serving player around 4min is known for his bh service and bh killing topspin which he did against me. In the video it looks a bit slower but in real it's too fast and spinny + he had back problems and still beat me.

"damn i can't read their serves. can you guys recommend me which long pips to use?"

that's what you sound like.

 

[Zezima]

I know what you mean man . This is exactly what happened to my backhand when I upgraded my blade to Innerforce ZLC. My 'just okay' backhand changed into a deadly weapon. But serve recieve was tough. And guess what? Every rally starts with a serve. Now I went for kind of a double downgrade with changing back to Ma Lin Carbon for my blade and changing my BH from G1 to R7. And although my backhand isnt as deadly in the rallies anymore. I do win more matched because its easier to keep the ball low on recieve. I picked consistency over potential.

BTW I dont wanna convince you to change your BH rubber, just sharing my personal experience on this.



As for your forehand I think you should stay away from the hybrid versions of rubbers. Since they will generally all feel as hard if not harder then G1.

T19 is definetly softer, but its not a linear rubber as you asked for in the OP. I think R45 can work, but the older line like the R47 is more linear. NUZN 45 or 48 can also work but I have no personal experience with these.


I agree with this. I mentioned in your other post about "Technique correction" that your technique itself is good enough to the point you dont need to focus on these micro-details. You just need to adjust it better to different match-type situations. If there is 1 thing I have learned it is: you cant use your technique if you are not standing correctly according to the incoming ball.

I was personally shocked at how much my forehand improved after doing multiballs on a weekly basis. And it wasnt nessecarely my technique that got better, it was my ability to adjust my feet correctly for every incoming ball.

I do agree with you that I can go a bit softer on my bh so I am more consistent in matches and not just in training. But I don't want to change everything at the same time. Right now my focus is on the fh because I was fundamentally playing it wrong or rather very spin oriented I would say (barely and hit component) just recently understood what it meant to activate the sponge means ~2months ago.
So I will definetly come back to this but more so in offseason.

Oh okey I didn't know hybrid feels harder. I just remember trying out someones racket 5 years ago and he had a very soft feeling which I really liked but stupid me didn't write down his racket and rubber name. And back then I didn't really care about what rubber I was playing with. That's why I want to finally give a softer rubber a chance but even g1 feels hard and doesn't feel the same as that setup back then. I could literally feel the ball penetrate the sponge. And I don't think it was a super soft rubber because that player had a strong spinny fh always engaging the sponge. But again I can only make guesses I don't know what he was playing with.

I only tried R48 it was still hard. Tbh with my technique it doesn't make a whole difference if I play with R48 or a d09c hard rubber. They all feel the same hardness. One part is because I am not really activating the sponge and looped with topsheet only. So I wonder if I will feel a difference now. But somehow I want to go for 45 to further see and feel that difference. Later on I can still decide to stay around 45 or realize ok now I understand and clearly see why I have to go for a harder rubber. Right now I have been playing with these hard rubbers without really grasping why a soft rubber would be bad.

I am also not sure about the linear characteristic. I think what could work aswell would be a kick effect so nonlinearity if I hit the ball hard. Like as if I turned on turbo and get 10-20% additional speed when hitting through the sponge. The dopamine I would get would make me play those shots more frequently. Because I realized playing rubbers like h3n 39° does the opposite effect. It felt so draining to loop and get speed into the ball that I rather wanted to do a different stroke (more slapping to make the ball go faster and still not a good feeling)

tldr: need a rubber that activates faster than g1 and d09c but still makes me enjoy looping and is not dead like h3n and I guess R7?