Modern Defender FH rubber

[MarcAnt01]

Don't worry about going off-topic. Most threads in this forum end up going that way 😂
At my level of play nobody cares or inspects rubbers or blades. It is more a ping pong play and ITTF rules are far far away.
One also does not really get an unfair advantage from playing with a boosted rubber because most boosted rubbers
would have equivalent qualities as some shop-bought rubber

If you don't get any fair advantage from boosting, why wouldn't you just purchase regular rubbers?

 

[Attitude]

If you don't get any fair advantage from boosting, why wouldn't you just purchase regular rubbers?

Lodro plays 5€ rubbers while you play 30-50€ rubbers
/case closed

 

[lodro]

Lodro plays 5€ rubbers while you play 30-50€ rubbers
/case closed

you got it nearly correct. In NZ $ it even sounds more drastic.
I pay NZ$ 18 but a dignics costs $ 135

Of course when starting with a very hard rubber us boosters have the chance to get exactly what we want
If one just buys the rubber and use it , one gets what the manufacturer wants us to have

 

[mocker88]

If you don't get any fair advantage from boosting, why wouldn't you just purchase regular rubbers?

The advantage is that you get a little softer touch and a little more bounce out from the hard sponged Chinese rubbers with their harder, tacky top sheet. Most of us don't want that "super bounce" that most of the tensor rubbers today have, because you lose the control that you have with Chinese rubbers. And the effect you get from brushing the ball with a Chinese rubber like DHS H3, 729 Battle II, Sanwei Target National etc. can't be reproduced with a tensor or a hybrid rubber like Tenergy, Dignics 09C, Rakza Z etc.

About boosting. I had a chat with a representative from the ITTF, and it feels like a big grey zone to me. Well. It's actually really black and white from the ITTF's point of view. Boosting is not allowed, they say. And any cleaning of the rubber that affects the performance of the rubber is not allowed (like Falco Life Expander etc.)

As it's only the top sheets that are approved by ITTF you may put any sponge on an OX rubber and play with it, as long as it doesn't alter the rubbers characteristics. But you may not boost the sponge before gluing it to the top sheet (but you may use any sponge you want)

I also asked if gluing is allowed, as the glue works as a treatment for the sponge, and it pours down into the pores. This works differently as there are different viscosities in different glues, so I thought this would be relevant as well, but I never got a good answer in this question.

 

[lodro]

The advantage is that you get a little softer touch and a little more bounce out from the hard sponged Chinese rubbers with their harder, tacky top sheet. Most of us don't want that "super bounce" that most of the tensor rubbers today have, because you lose the control that you have with Chinese rubbers. And the effect you get from brushing the ball with a Chinese rubber like DHS H3, 729 Battle II, Sanwei Target National etc. can't be reproduced with a tensor or a hybrid rubber like Tenergy, Dignics 09C, Rakza Z etc.

About boosting. I had a chat with a representative from the ITTF, and it feels like a big grey zone to me. Well. It's actually really black and white from the ITTF's point of view. Boosting is not allowed, they say. And any cleaning of the rubber that affects the performance of the rubber is not allowed (like Falco Life Expander etc.)

As it's only the top sheets that are approved by ITTF you may put any sponge on an OX rubber and play with it, as long as it doesn't alter the rubbers characteristics. But you may not boost the sponge before gluing it to the top sheet (but you may use any sponge you want)

I also asked if gluing is allowed, as the glue works as a treatment for the sponge, and it pours down into the pores. This works differently as there are different viscosities in different glues, so I thought this would be relevant as well, but I never got a good answer in this question.

nicely summed up.
It is a bit like during the prohibition in the US, easy to make a law but impossible to police and we know what happened in the end 😁
As the rules can not be policed what remains is the argument of "honesty". Well, my name is Lodro -- i am a dishonest cheat
but I get a lot of fun out of my TT anyway. Here in NZ the ITTF is soooo far away it might as well be on Mars, nobody cares.

 

[TensorBackhand]

The advantage is that you get a little softer touch and a little more bounce out from the hard sponged Chinese rubbers with their harder, tacky top sheet. Most of us don't want that "super bounce" that most of the tensor rubbers today have, because you lose the control that you have with Chinese rubbers. And the effect you get from brushing the ball with a Chinese rubber like DHS H3, 729 Battle II, Sanwei Target National etc. can't be reproduced with a tensor or a hybrid rubber like Tenergy, Dignics 09C, Rakza Z etc.

About boosting. I had a chat with a representative from the ITTF, and it feels like a big grey zone to me. Well. It's actually really black and white from the ITTF's point of view. Boosting is not allowed, they say. And any cleaning of the rubber that affects the performance of the rubber is not allowed (like Falco Life Expander etc.)

As it's only the top sheets that are approved by ITTF you may put any sponge on an OX rubber and play with it, as long as it doesn't alter the rubbers characteristics. But you may not boost the sponge before gluing it to the top sheet (but you may use any sponge you want)

I also asked if gluing is allowed, as the glue works as a treatment for the sponge, and it pours down into the pores. This works differently as there are different viscosities in different glues, so I thought this would be relevant as well, but I never got a good answer in this question.

I'm pretty sure pro players use cleaning solution on their rubber even during a live match. Why hasn't ittf busted them?

 

[mocker88]

I'm pretty sure pro players use cleaning solution on their rubber even during a live match. Why hasn't ittf busted them?

There are different kinds of cleaning liquids, so the Falco Life Expander is a more reviving liquid that perhaps sinks into the top sheet, but everyday cleaners don't. I don't really know and I think it's plain stupid to create rules that you can't enforce.

Now I know that many top players in the world, and Sweden use boosters as well, and I don't understand what the problem with this is actually. Unless you see that someone suddenly can use their rubbers in a way that's impossible without booster and gets a big advantage from it, just let it be, right?

 

[ZFT]

Mental gymnastics: could you in theory reject an instruction to wipe an obvious sweat spot off on the grounds of not wanting to chemically change the topsheet?

 

[lodro]

Mental gymnastics: could you in theory reject an instruction to wipe an obvious sweat spot off on the grounds of not wanting to chemically change the topsheet?

please don't push this kind of thinking or we will all be forced to play with surgical rubber gloves 😂

 

[ZFT]

please don't push this kind of thinking or we will all be forced to play with surgical rubber gloves 😂

Against your wisdom I’ve thought about it abit further… efficiency can be achieved by a camel bak type device that can divert the salty counter booster juice down an arm autobahn.

The points will be short and oh so horrifyingly disgusting.

 

[lodro]

Against your wisdom I’ve thought about it abit further… efficiency can be achieved by a camel bak type device that can divert the salty counter booster juice down an arm autobahn.

The points will be short and oh so horrifyingly disgusting.

Ohhh YES !
Now yer talkin 👍 🤣

 

[ridderz65]

Hi, I play modern defence and I'm not particularly aggressive on forehand side and often rely on the chop. I use a Victas VS > 401 It's a rubber specially thought for the forehand of modern defenders. It has hard sponge and soft topsheet. It allows me to have both a good control,placement and variation for forehand, for flat attacking it's quite easy to use, but having a hard sponge you need a good technique for forehand topspin loop.If you want something slower you could consider Tackiness Chop, but that would affect your ability to attack with forehand.

What thickness do you use for the 401?