New Equipment -- Budding EJ

[ThePongCommenter]

🤣🤣🤣Because it is a beginners grade rubber.

Why I get less spin, You don’t understand this?

I am playing in the largest club in my country. Jan-Ove Waldner and Mikael Appelgren are trainers here. And guess what my cloud recommend to beginners if you ask…
Appelgren allplay with Mark V.

I don’t use it substantially but enough. A lot of the players uses Mark V u to an intermediate level and it works fine for them too…

Cheers
L-zr

Yes I just wanted to know why someone who couldn't remember the characteristics of Mark V and admittedly hadn't used it in a while 3 years ago from today, suddenly has such clear memories about the playing characteristics and feasibility of it.


Here's what Yasaka says on their official website, what do you know that they don't know?

Mark V rubber, renowned for its speed and spin, is perfect for aggressive players using modern, fast techniques. Available in thicknesses from 1.0 to Max, it combines superior quality with consistent performance, ideal for competitive play.

Mark V rubber stands as a benchmark in table tennis, renowned for its superior quality and consistent performance. Favored by champions for decades, it excels in delivering unmatched speed and spin, making it ideal for aggressive players who master modern, fast techniques close to the table. Available in thicknesses from 1.0 to Max, it adapts to various play styles while maintaining durability. The Mark V continues to evolve, meeting the demands of top players and offering unique possibilities for competitive play.

Your anecdote about Sparvagens is just as useful as my multiple anecdotes of clubs and top coaches that start beginners on Rozena or something similar, but would not let a new player use Sriver in this day and age.

 

[Lazer]

Not quite true, but we are just running around in circles at this point.

So much for not responding…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[ThePongCommenter]

So much for not responding…

Cheers
L-zr

I'm still responding - do you have an explanation for why your interpretation of who should use and would benefit from Mark V varies so greatly from Yasaka's? And why you are so confidently speaking to it's capabilities when 3 years ago you couldn't even remember if its a bouncy rubber or not?

 

[Lazer]

I'm still responding - do you have an explanation for why your interpretation of who should use and would benefit from Mark V varies so greatly from Yasaka's? And why you are so confidently speaking to it's capabilities when 3 years ago you couldn't even remember if its a bouncy rubber or not?

You are funny. I don’t see a difference between Yasaka’s description and mine. I became an EJ after this and have tried all kinds of rubbers. If I said this I probably didn’t care… can’t remember the post…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[ThePongCommenter]

You said on the last page that it is a beginner's grade rubber but that it can be used "up to an intermediate level" and Yasaka is saying it delivers unmatched speed and spin ideal for aggressive players and that it meets the demand of top players. So either your assessment is wrong or Yasaka's is outdated. The difference is obvious but you are clearly just trolling at this point.

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[greenbeanmachine]

At least greenbean had the decency to bow out of the thread entirely after embarrassing himself.

Dude, you need to take a chill pill. I bowed out of this thread because I'm not interested in raising my blood pressure over an argument about rubber on the internet. You aren't the 100% infallible authority on this issue. There are people who are better than you who disagree with you. I play in a club with 2 olympians, and they recommend that beginners start with low-tension rubbers.

Maybe if you are trying to produce high-level competitors and olympians then you can argue that Sriver is a bad option. But not everyone is trying to be the next Ma Long. I help people with brain damage learn how to play ping pong for rehabilitation, and it is unquestionably better for these people to use low-tension rubbers. I think low-tension is also a good decision for many club-level players, especially those who start later in life and don't have ambitions beyond playing at the club. These aren't unreasonable perspectives, so please stop pretending like they are.

 

[piligrim]

Dude, you need to take a chill pill. I bowed out of this thread because I'm not interested in raising my blood pressure over an argument about rubber on the internet. You aren't the 100% infallible authority on this issue. There are people who are better than you who disagree with you. I play in a club with 2 olympians, and they recommend that beginners start with low-tension rubbers.

Maybe if you are trying to produce high-level competitors and olympians then you can argue that Sriver is a bad option. But not everyone is trying to be the next Ma Long. I help people with brain damage learn how to play ping pong for rehabilitation, and it is unquestionably better for these people to use low-tension rubbers. I think low-tension is also a good decision for many club-level players, especially those who start later in life and don't have ambitions beyond playing at the club. These aren't unreasonable perspectives, so please stop pretending like they are.

Sriver and Mark V is not low tension rubbers

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Maybe if you are trying to produce high-level competitors and olympians then you can argue that Sriver is a bad option. But not everyone is trying to be the next Ma Long. I help people with brain damage learn how to play ping pong for rehabilitation, and it is unquestionably better for these people to use low-tension rubbers. I think low-tension is also a good decision for many club-level players, especially those who start later in life and don't have ambitions beyond playing at the club. These aren't unreasonable perspectives, so please stop pretending like they are.

This is a valid point. In the context of most discussions here I maybe assume that most people are trying to reach the highest level that they can and get the closest to a professional style as they can, but there is certainly a segment of players for which if they are playing for recreation then a slowest possible racket focusing on control has its benefits.

Thank you for the work you do in using table tennis as rehabilitation.

 

[Lazer]

You said on the last page that it is a beginner's grade rubber but that it can be used "up to an intermediate level" and Yasaka is saying it delivers unmatched speed and spin ideal for aggressive players and that it meets the demand of top players. So either your assessment is wrong or Yasaka's is outdated. The difference is obvious but you are clearly just trolling at this point.

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I am saying that you are wrong to say that starting with Mark V should be detrimental in any size shape or form. It is still a valid choice, even the right choice sometimes.
My club says the same thing.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I am saying that you are wrong to say that starting with Mark V should be detrimental in any size shape or form. It is still a valid choice, even the right choice sometimes.
My club says the same thing.

Cheers
L-zr

Who are some of these excellent players coming out of your club recently that substantially used Mark V in their developmental years during the 40+ plastic ball era?

 

[Gozo Aruna]

Who are some of these excellent players coming out of your club recently that substantially used Mark V in their developmental years during the 40+ plastic ball era?

Uncle Wang, Old Man Lee, Madam Chen et al....

Oops, for Lazer's case it should be:

Sven, Olaf and Anna et al.

 

[Lazer]

Who are some of these excellent players coming out of your club recently that substantially used Mark V in their developmental years during the 40+ plastic ball era?

We are currently only the around 3:rd or 4:rth in the highest league and our best player (I think) doesn’t play internationally much anymore. And you are ridiculous if you think I keep track of everyone’s rubber. 🤣.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[ThePongCommenter]

We are currently only the around 3:rd or 4:rth in the highest league and our best player (I think) doesn’t play internationally much anymore. And you are ridiculous if you think I keep track of everyone’s rubber. 🤣.

Cheers
L-zr

So sounds like not a lot of great talent is being developed at your club? Or am I missing something?

If you don't keep track of people's rubbers then how do you know there are frequently successful outcomes for those who were brought up on Mark V?

 

[Lazer]

So sounds like not a lot of great talent is being developed at your club? Or am I missing something?

If you don't keep track of people's rubbers then how do you know there are frequently successful outcomes for those who were brought up on Mark V?

Ha ha, it goes up and down. No we do not have any Truls, Anton, Kristian or Mattias right now, but we are doing great with our young players… Thanks to our great coaches..

Cheers
L-zr

 

[JJ Ng]

I use Mark V to slow down a blade that is too fast for me, it works excellent. Of course I get less spin but that’s it.

Cheers
L-zr

Lol, I use Xiom Vega Europe to help me slow down a fast blade. Everyone has their favorites rubber to help them slow down a fast blade.

My forehand on slow or fast blades remains H3.

For my backhand, my rules are as followed:

1) All wood blade: I like G-1 on the backhand quite a bit. I have also tried MX-S there with all wood blade and I like how it feels. as well.

2) fast carbon blade. l like C-1, Acuda S2, Barracuda, EL-P, Rakza 7 soft, etc. (I tried MX-S and G-1 on various carbon blades and I could not get used to it).

3) Very very fast carbon blade (for me, it is Nittaku Acoustic outer carbon), then Xiom Vega Europe. I have not assembled a super fast carbon blades for a long time, probably none in the past 2 years. I have other super fast carbon blades in my inventory but I don't have any desire to put rubbers on them yet.

4) Inner carbon from Butterfly, ALC or ZLC: Dignics 64 and Rosanter C-45. This the latest set of blades I am experimenting right now and I have no clue what works the best. One blade (Ovtcharov inner ALC) has Dignics 64 while another blade (Franziska inner ZLC) has C-45 on the backhand side. I am still trying to figure out what is the best rubber there. It is work in progress.

 

[_JW]

Well, that turned into an interesting read!
OP, if you're still here, I'm sure you'll be fine.
Play the game and enjoy it! Good luck on your journey

 

[Lazer]

Lol, I use Xiom Vega Europe to help me slow down a fast blade. Everyone has their favorites rubber to help them slow down a fast blade.

My forehand on slow or fast blades remains H3.

For my backhand, my rules are as followed:

1) All wood blade: I like G-1 on the backhand quite a bit. I have also tried MX-S there with all wood blade and I like how it feels. as well.

2) fast carbon blade. l like C-1, Acuda S2, Barracuda, EL-P, Rakza 7 soft, etc. (I tried MX-S and G-1 on various carbon blades and I could not get used to it).

3) Very very fast carbon blade (for me, it is Nittaku Acoustic outer carbon), then Xiom Vega Europe. I have not assembled a super fast carbon blades for a long time, probably none in the past 2 years. I have other super fast carbon blades in my inventory but I don't have any desire to put rubbers on them yet.

4) Inner carbon from Butterfly, ALC or ZLC: Dignics 64 and Rosanter C-45. This the latest set of blades I am experimenting right now and I have no clue what works the best. One blade (Ovtcharov inner ALC) has Dignics 64 while another blade (Franziska inner ZLC) has C-45 on the backhand side. I am still trying to figure out what is the best rubber there. It is work in progress.

I use it mostly to evaluate the blade for speed.

But now I have an easier method to compare a new blade:

Keep a reference blade that you know the characteristics of. Keep it naked. Then bounce a ball on both of them and compare. Pretty soon you will learn what the sound and bounce of the new blade means. You will learn how to to pretty accurately judge the speed of the new blade. Also by trying to bend it and compare you can estimate the flex.
It works every time.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Nakira]

Hi Nakira,

Thank you for spending time on my quest. I really appreciate it. I am very intrigued by the idea of ElevenVR since it may allow me to introduce my son to Table Tennis also help me develop. Could you please tell me what hardware/ equipment and software I need to get started with elevenVR. I appreciate it in advance

Hi TableTennisBD,

I bought a "Meta Quest 3s" Virtual Reality Device: 330€
I also bought the "Meta Quest Elite Strap" (80 €) and the "Breathable facial interface" (50€) for more comfort.
The game itself, "ElevenVR", costs ~30€. You buy it online with the meta app store.

If you have vision issues, you can buy some eyes lenses at your correction; On my side I need multifocal glasses, not really compatible with the meta quest. So I decided just to play without glasses.

For your kid, I would say, it depends on the reason why you want to make him play table tennis:
* if he is interested by himself, you may much better practice at home with him: With elevenVR he may just learn bad habits, because kids are mostly interested to win, and not training. With you, in addition, it's a great moment you can spend together.
* if it is because he's a coach potatoes, only interested in smartphones or video games, so definitively, it's a good idea. Just, pay extra attention to his eyes, because they are growing and Virtual Reality can mess them up if too much of use.

 

[piligrim]

Hi TableTennisBD,

I bought a "Meta Quest 3s" Virtual Reality Device: 330€
I also bought the "Meta Quest Elite Strap" (80 €) and the "Breathable facial interface" (50€) for more comfort.
The game itself, "ElevenVR", costs ~30€. You buy it online with the meta app store.

If you have vision issues, you can buy some eyes lenses at your correction; On my side I need multifocal glasses, not really compatible with the meta quest. So I decided just to play without glasses.

For your kid, I would say, it depends on the reason why you want to make him play table tennis:
* if he is interested by himself, you may much better practice at home with him: With elevenVR he may just learn bad habits, because kids are mostly interested to win, and not training. With you, in addition, it's a great moment you can spend together.
* if it is because he's a coach potatoes, only interested in smartphones or video games, so definitively, it's a good idea. Just, pay extra attention to his eyes, because they are growing and Virtual Reality can mess them up if too much of use.

Does it have option to play with pips?

 

[Nakira]

Does it have option to play with pips?

No, unfortunately. It could be a great user experience, with more different play styles.

You can customize the rubbers to make them behave more like your equipment.

Currently I have DHS H3 type on both side, according to a french FFTT guide. I cannot say of they are boosted or not.