New to PIPS! Some questions!

[piligrim]

Thanks for replies, yes I saw Manika Batra did what you explained, block on topspin and on backspin swap to FH and attack. I will test a friends SpinLord Dornenglanz 2 in few days on Stiga plus 4. Just to see how it feels.

Do you think Dornenglanz 1 or 2 is best here? Will probably order one of them in OX since its only available in OX here.

About grass will ask around and have a think about OX or 0,5 and order one of those too, Thanks!

I am not familiar with Dornenglanz so can't say something about it. From reviews on internet it should be suitable for what you want. You also can check Helfire. I read many good reviews about it.

Your other option is antispin

 

[the-don]

i understand, i dont seek an easy new option, short pimples is more for offensive play I think. as ive explained im looking more for defensive blocking and long pips seems better for that, will practise hard and learn it

maybe something like manika batra is what you imagine

she plays tibhar grass ox
viscaria blade

the dornenglanz ox is used by a chopper from sweden (gustaf ericson)

the third option you also have it in this last video.
the antitop.
that is used by markus johanson.

 

[Siyata]

maybe something like manika batra is what you imagine

she plays tibhar grass ox
viscaria blade

the dornenglanz ox is used by a chopper from sweden (gustaf ericson)

the third option you also have it in this last video.
the antitop.
that is used by markus johanson.

Yes thanks. I think i will buy Grass OX and dornenglanz OX as it looks now. dornenglanz 1 seemed better than 2 to my research.
Use grass on my main blade and try make it work with lots of work.
Put dornenglanz on 2nd blade as a backup incase it feels better i can swap it to main blade.

 

[the-don]

Yes thanks. I think i will buy Grass OX and dornenglanz OX as it looks now. dornenglanz 1 seemed better than 2 to my research.
Use grass on my main blade and try make it work with lots of work.
Put dornenglanz on 2nd blade as a backup incase it feels better i can swap it to main blade.

I've been playing with grass a couple times lately.
1.2mm sponge.
it's not easy to control coming from inverted.
also the better players seem unbothered by it.
blocking it depends, if it's a slow loop it's fine. but a hard loop like a drive it's very hard to block.
maybe that's why there are no men playing ox blocking in high level.
antitop seems the better alternative for this.

but when you see some of the players these antitop guys play against.... they seem like total novices.
yet they are pros.
like here

so I don't know what to think really...
maybe it's all a conspiracy to make us buy anti rubbers lol

 

[piligrim]

maybe that's why there are no men playing ox blocking in high level.

Chu Long Nie and Batix Ylane

 

[the-don]

Chu Long Nie and Batix Ylane

backs my theory that high level is just a weird cult.

you are telling me levenko can't loop a simple push with the pimples to his fh?
that's like a super novice amateur level.
yet somehow he is playing world tour

 

[belllfador]

IMO, you need inverted rubber with good spin and medium to low speed. For me, harder rubbers are better in block. So, my suggestion is prov. H3N OS.

With pips you will be able to put some spin on pushes, but not much. The meaning of spin reversal is to return the opponent's spin with reversed direction. If your opponent doesn't spin the ball - your returns will not be spiny. And guess what will happen when you are providing easy balls, slow and not spiny.

Another option is to learn how to twiddle your racket and use the pips only for blocking and serve return. For pips suggestion, I would recommend 388D-1 0.5mm or Ilius B 1.3mm.

 

[andymagata]

Do not overthink it. Buy cheap lp rubber, put on a spare blade or cheap blade and start using it. Only when you have some experience playing with it your thoughts and research will be meaningful.

You might find out that lp have no meaning with the group of people you play with.

Thin inverted is a good alternative that was mentioned, it gives amateurs the best of two worlds (off and def) in many cases.

 

[Royfi]

Yes thanks. I think i will buy Grass OX and dornenglanz OX as it looks now. dornenglanz 1 seemed better than 2 to my research.
Use grass on my main blade and try make it work with lots of work.
Put dornenglanz on 2nd blade as a backup incase it feels better i can swap it to main blade.

There is not much difference between ox pips. The blade is more important. Dtecs ox obvious choice, if it's price is not too high. I have seen many players rating boost immediately with move to ox pips when their BH with inverted is nothing to write home about. The greatest advantage of ox pips is the serve receive. You need just half an hour to get uset to ox pips. Just keep blade vertical and take ball right from the bounce. After getting timing, angle and force right you don't have to do much. You can pair ox pips with fast blades, but unforced error rate goes up. The grippy pips with sponge is totally different and requires lot of practice to be efficient. And fast legs too. With ox pips you can play in decent levels even if your moving ability is not that great.

Cheapest way is to borrow blade from pip player or just ask for a sheet of pips to try. Start with your current blades with some cheap or free ox pip to get the feeling.

 

[Dominikk85]

You could also use anti like winter.

Or a short or medium pip

 

[Ultravisitor]

Dtecs OX is very good and deceptive but very hard to play cuz its bouncy. Very hard to control. Start with 955 or 388d-1 you'll thank me later. If you can handle these you can always upgrade.
But again none of the pips will let you push with lots of spin

 

[igorponger]

BOGEYMAN SUPERNATURAL

In general, most people would feel strongly against pimpled players. Bogeyman люди привыкли относиться

Menacing materials is how casual folks would view the pips. Bogeyman threatening figure using dishonest rubbers treated up to non friction condition
Пугало-обманщик - это то, как они воспринимают зернышки. Пугало

The Creature Threatful is how they perceive the pips. Speaking with all honesty ---Long Pips rubber is not socially welcome anyway, because of the deceptive and abnormal gameplay the pips promote to.

DISCLAIMER
THE GRAPH IS NOT GOING TO DISPARAGE INDIVIDULS PERSONALLY.
JUST A PIECE OF SUGGESTIVE SATIRE.

 

[Draycott old man]

My suggestion is Medium pimples, I changed from inverted 3 years ago and my B.H is now a real weapon!! If you decide to change to pimples you have realise you will have to be patient as it's going to take a lot of practice to use them effectively . I Use Dr Neubauer Aggressor Pro 1.5 mm, all my fellow members of my club have said how hard my B.H is so hard to adapt to as you can change the amount of spin (or lack of spin ) just by relaxing your grip. I believe there are more benefits from playing Medium pimples you just have to be patient!!!

 

[Siyata]

Do not overthink it. Buy cheap lp rubber, put on a spare blade or cheap blade and start using it. Only when you have some experience playing with it your thoughts and research will be meaningful.

You might find out that lp have no meaning with the group of people you play with.

Thin inverted is a good alternative that was mentioned, it gives amateurs the best of two worlds (off and def) in many cases.

Its hard to take information about table tennis. People say Soft and thinner rubbers are easier. But for me I tried Rakza 7 / Rakza 7 Soft / Rakza Z. All of these was super hard on BH, i can barely chop/push they fly too far and blocks not as reliable. I "overthink" and try dignics 09c with innerforce blade and its MUCH easier. I feel everyone is just recommending bullshit because "pros are too good dont copy them". but in reality copy them is what gave me the most success with inverted rubbers on both BH+FH. Everyone has such different opinions and circumstances. People recommend stuff about rubbers when they have totally different blades etc too. I think its important to do research and "overthink" to get some kind of understanding where everything is coming from and try to really learn how things work.

As I mentioned i'm going to try Spinlord Dornenglanz II from a friend soon and if I like the style of long pips ill go ahead and test it out for real. Dornenglanz 1 and Grass those 2 is what most people recommend and seem to match what I want the most.

 

[Siyata]

There is not much difference between ox pips. The blade is more important. Dtecs ox obvious choice, if it's price is not too high. I have seen many players rating boost immediately with move to ox pips when their BH with inverted is nothing to write home about. The greatest advantage of ox pips is the serve receive. You need just half an hour to get uset to ox pips. Just keep blade vertical and take ball right from the bounce. After getting timing, angle and force right you don't have to do much. You can pair ox pips with fast blades, but unforced error rate goes up. The grippy pips with sponge is totally different and requires lot of practice to be efficient. And fast legs too. With ox pips you can play in decent levels even if your moving ability is not that great.

Cheapest way is to borrow blade from pip player or just ask for a sheet of pips to try. Start with your current blades with some cheap or free ox pip to get the feeling.

Thanks for advice will keep in mind!

 

[Siyata]

IMO, you need inverted rubber with good spin and medium to low speed. For me, harder rubbers are better in block. So, my suggestion is prov. H3N OS.

With pips you will be able to put some spin on pushes, but not much. The meaning of spin reversal is to return the opponent's spin with reversed direction. If your opponent doesn't spin the ball - your returns will not be spiny. And guess what will happen when you are providing easy balls, slow and not spiny.

Another option is to learn how to twiddle your racket and use the pips only for blocking and serve return. For pips suggestion, I would recommend 388D-1 0.5mm or Ilius B 1.3mm.

DHS Hurricane 3 National Orange Sponge - interesting. It is true I never tried this rubber only rakza Z / dignics 09c. Maybe it would work better and help me being offensive with BH yes but I dont think any rubber can magically fix a stroke that is way off. I mean i have an okay loop on BH but only in practise, adapting it to matches where its way more spin is harder. but yeah ill note this down and if i wanna try another inverted maybe this could be it, Thx.
But also im skeptic cuz rakza Z is kinda similar i think? Rakza Z for me worked okay offensively but i had big problems with pushing (ball fly far) and some problem blocking, like 2 months and then Dignics 09c solved everything.

 

[piligrim]

Its hard to take information about table tennis. People say Soft and thinner rubbers are easier. But for me I tried Rakza 7 / Rakza 7 Soft / Rakza Z. All of these was super hard on BH, i can barely chop/push they fly too far and blocks not as reliable. I "overthink" and try dignics 09c with innerforce blade and its MUCH easier. I feel everyone is just recommending bullshit because "pros are too good dont copy them". but in reality copy them is what gave me the most success with inverted rubbers on both BH+FH. Everyone has such different opinions and circumstances. People recommend stuff about rubbers when they have totally different blades etc too. I think its important to do research and "overthink" to get some kind of understanding where everything is coming from and try to really learn how things work.

As I mentioned i'm going to try Spinlord Dornenglanz II from a friend soon and if I like the style of long pips ill go ahead and test it out for real. Dornenglanz 1 and Grass those 2 is what most people recommend and seem to match what I want the most.

It happen to me all the time as well. Does why you have to try by yourself. All reviews almost useless.

 

[the-don]

it's all relative in the end.
there was a guy here who played lp ox with a gergely alpha.
and he was pretty good, used to beat me.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

and he was pretty good, used to beat me.

before you got the golden viscaria?

 

[MORTtheORT]

Very good post thank you! The only experience I have is that i do a lot of short underspin strokes close table where i brush the ball a lot(Short chop?). Some kind of defensive way but feels safer with more spin and sometimes ppl just hit the ball in the net. So looking at your description this is not something you're doing with pips. Its either do these long chops far away which I think looks ridicilous or some kind of "aggressive blocking" style, which sounds way more closer to what I think i could manage and enjoy. I also saw some videos on Manika Batra performing this style, and yeah it was more blocking than "short choping".

So reading your info on each rubber it seems like Dorneglanz 1 or Grass DTecs OX could be good then. But the second option many people say is hard to learn. However i have 2 blades I could just buy one of each and try both these 2 out. If grass is too hard I can probably learn Dorneglanz 1. The only issue left would be I dont have a defensive blade which you recommended. At the moment using Inneforce layer ALC and as backup blade i have a Viscaria ST. (Manika Batra is using Viscaria also)

EDIT: missed your recommendation of Yinhe Neptune. At my shop here in sweden it says they dont sell it anymore, would you say its better than the other two i mentioned for close table?

Der Materialspezialist could be an option? I just recently played against two of their rubbers for the first time, and it did a lot to the ball. I normally find long pips fairly easy to play against, but I did find these rubbers (player) difficult to play against as they were doing a lot to the ball, and they could also attack (real attack with generated spin) with the long pips, which was interesting.