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**Short Answer**
Yes it's a real thing. Thinner sponge can *sometimes* result in far more speed (than you would otherwise normally get), if teamed with a Hinoki blade.

All that being said, here come the disclaimers:

- it depends an lot on the particular blade and rubber involved,
- the amount of extra speed you get varies widely, depending on the combined density and overall elastic potential of both sponge and blade,
- the results you get with this method can (and do) vary widely as a result of all the above,
- it's typically a tricky situation to try and get all the various factors 'just right' so you end up seeing the desired speed boost, and...
- the particular blade/rubber combo you describe is far from the only (or the best) way to see this particular phenomenon in action.

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**Much Longer More Detailed Answer:*"
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Most of the time, these kind of claims are referring to a physics phenomenon I call 'blade effect', for want of a better term (it's a highly misleading term IMO that was first coined by 729 ages back, but I still use it here anyway, as nothing better at describing the necessary physics seems to have been invented yet).

Blade effect basically refers to an extra "kick" of rebound speed that a blade can add to your strokes, thereby making your shots faster than what your rubber should theoretically otherwise be able to provide.

Blade effect often *feels* most pronounced when thinner sponge rubbers are combined with Hinoki blades (especially one ply blades), as this combination of blade and rubber allows blade effect to be detected far more clearly (this is not however the ideal way to achieve it... More on this later).

You can usually get some level of blade effect out of almost *any* blade, depending on the rubbers you've attached to it. You don't need to use Hinoki per se, It's just a lot easier to create the effect while using a super springy wood like Hinoki.

Blade effect is the reason why some specific rubber and blade combinations really 'click' well together and just feel fantastic (it's also the reason why others rubber / blade combos never quite gel properly and just feel kind of 'off'.)

With blade effect, rubber and blade synergistically become more than the sum of their parts, and perform better as a team. They are basically feeding off each other, and helping each other out more

When lots of blade effect is present between rubber and blade in your set up, other 'better and typically more expensive rubbers' can sometimes feel a bit dead and lifeless in comparison when strapped to the exact same blade.

I've meet hosts of players over the years who have found that for them personally, "Rubber A" performs better, and feels faster on their normal blade that Rubber B does ...even though on paper, Rubber B may be a far better product.

In most cases, they can have trouble pinpointing exactly why some rubbers just perform a lot better on their blade than other similar ones do.
The answer in my experience typically comes down to how much blade effect is present in their set up, (though there may be other factors at work too).

Blade effect, is basically a function of the relationship that exists between your rubber's average density & elastic potential on one side, and the density / hardness / elastic potential of the wood in your blade on the other.

Sponge thickness plays a part in this relationship yes, but the respective density and elasticity present in both your rubber and blade (and how they interact) matters far more than rubber thickness.

In its simplest terms, to create good blade effect, your playing rubber has to kind of 'partially bottom out' a lot during play... with emphasis on the word 'partially'.

To create blade effect, **just the right amount** of impact forces from ball hitting rubber, has to pass through the rubber completely and reach the outer surface of your blade.

"Regular" bottoming out tends to slow your shots down, as the hard surface of your blade stops your rubber stretching, and this limits the amount of elastic rebound it can impart to the ball.

With the "partial and synergistic" bottoming out that occurs with blade effect, the ball actually speeds up, because your blade basically starts acting like an extra layer of sponge, adding it's own catapult effect to the mix.

In this scenario, the wood of your blade blade (assuming it has just the right properties) will gets just enough impact energy from the ball, and is just flexible and elastic enough :

A: to allow your rubber to stretch and contract properly, without being hampered by the blade, while...

B: ...at the same time, adding its own inherent elastic reaction and extra energy into the mix, via elastic deformation the wood undergoes during impact, imparted by the energy that managed to reach the woods surface.

While this sort of reaction happens to some degree during every ball impact, that occurs on every blade and rubber, the elastic reaction of the blade and rubber often partially interfere with each other a bit, and get in each other's way. ie: their elastic reactions are slightly out of synch.

Good blade effect comes from rubber and blade being similar enough to work together, stretch together, and push back against the ball together, WITHOUT interfering with each other in the process.

When this happens, your blade's surface starts acting exactly like an extra layer of sponge underneath your playing rubber.

Instead of feeling like your playing with regular 1.5mm, 2.0mm or 2.2 mm rubber glued to a hard, immobile lifeless surface, your blade and rubber push back against the ball, at the same time in a highly cooperative manner, which feels a bit like you're actually using 3mm, 4mm or even 5mm sponge.

Blade effect happens more often with Hinoki blades, because hinoki is naturally springy and bouncy -- ie: it has greater elastic potential in a blade than most other woods.During impact, the Hinoki adds it's own elastic potential to the elastic potential inherent to your rubber, and you get that extra speed.

Now then -- in the situation you described in your post, all that thinner rubber is doing, is providing less resistance to the ball's impact forces than a thicker rubber would.

More impact force reaches the wood's surface with thinner sponge, so more energy is free to be returned to the ball by the blade's elastic potential.

The whole set up feels fast and lively as a result, even though the rubber itself is only very slow...but using thin sponge isn't really the best way to do it.

Really, to get the blade effect speed boost you're after, instead of using thinner sponge (which is always inherently slower than thicker sponge), you should instead use rubbers:

- that have thick sponge,
- that are springy and linear,
- and that are bit more towards the medium-soft / less dense end of the spectrum.

Just because a sponge is thinner, doesn't mean enough energy is going to reach the surface by default.

Dense dead sponge can still block a lot of energy from reaching the blade. For example, try strapping a regular H3, or 729 Super FX with blue sponge to a Hinoki one ply and see for yourself.

Even with 1.5mm sponge, it's still not going to feel like a very lively set-up -- the sponge is just too dense to allow much energy to get through easily.

These old dense rubbers are actively designed to act as impact dampers for your blade. They never really bottom out, so very little energy ever reaches the blade's surface.

Additionally, any extra rebound energy that actually does manage to reach the wood and bounce back, is just going to be dampened again even further as it passes back through that hard, dense, inelastic sponge on its way back towards the surface... The blade still feels dead as a result.

WIth thicker, springy, lower density sponge however (as opposed to thin sponge) you're still getting lots of impact energy reaching the blade's playing surface.

Low density sponge has more air in it... so just like with your thinner sponge scenario, more energy reaches the playing surface, as there is less intervening mass between ball and wood.

But in my scenario with the thicker less dense sponge, you're also not lumbered with trying to get more speed out of a thin sponge... You're still using thicker sponge, which always has higher net elastic potential and greater inherent speed to it than thinner sponge does, simply because there's more of it.

Granted, some softer low density sponges are inelastic, and feel downright 'mushy' to play with.

These rubbers are great at absorbing impact energy, but lousy at returning it, because the sponge simply isn't very elastic, and doesn't want to quickly snap back into its original shape.

These sort of low density sponge rubbers actively fight against and interfere with blade effect as well, as they prevent energy from reaching the blade's surface, and should therefore be avoided if you're seeking that extra speed (I'm looking at you 729 Top Point!).

The most efficient blade-effect combo I've personally ever seen, I discovered purely by accident, while developing up my own line of one-ply blades.

The wood I use is hugely springy and very similar to hinoki. I tried fitting the blade with regular T05 rubbers, but it really didn't feel particularly different or distinctive -- it was no faster than any regular standard blade would be, when fitted with butterfly Tenergys.

When I swapped the T05s out for a set of Palio AK-47 Blues however, the blade just went nuts! Speed and spin were off the charts, and the consensus was that the palio rubbers were clearly faster than the T05s, when fitted to this particular test blade.

Nobody in their right mind would expect AK47s to outperform T05s under normal circumstances... but here, the springiness of the blade, and the springiness of the rubber, were in perfect synch.

They pulled together, combined their elastic potential without impediment, and the ball went zooming away at bloody ridiculous speed.

They only out-performed the T05s, because their respective densities and elastic potential were a closer match for each other. The butterfly speed sponge however was just a little bit too thick and dense... The blades elastic potential wasn't engaged, not enough impact energy reached the blade, and speed was lower as a result.


Getting just the right combination of sponge thickness, sponge density, sponge elasticity, wood density, wood Janka rating (hardness) wood MOR (stiffness) and Wood MOE (elasticity), in order to get maximum blade effect with your set up, is a process of pure trial and error.

It's often (but not always) a long-term, Goldilocks-type of bat-tuning endeavor frankly, and I wish you luck with it.

The good news however, is you always know when you finally get all the various factors above 'just right', ...because your entire set-up suddenly turns into a goddamn rocket launcher.

With my one-ply blades I got lucky - the AK47s really are a gift from God when strapped to those particular blades, and using them together is just a downright hoot.

Hope all my blathering makes sense to you, hope it helps you out more that it confuses.

Further questions are welcome, best of luck with it all.
 
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**Short Answer**
Yes it's a real thing. Thinner sponge can *sometimes* result in far more speed (than you would otherwise normally get), if teamed with a Hinoki blade.

All that being said, here come the disclaimers:

- it depends an lot on the particular blade and rubber involved,
- the amount of extra speed you get varies widely, depending on the combined density and overall elastic potential of both sponge and blade,
- the results you get with this method can (and do) vary widely as a result of all the above,
- it's typically a tricky situation to try and get all the various factors 'just right' so you end up seeing the desired speed boost, and...
- the particular blade/rubber combo you describe is far from the only (or the best) way to see this particular phenomenon in action.

=========
**Much Longer More Detailed Answer:*"
=========

Most of the time, these kind of claims are referring to a physics phenomenon I call 'blade effect', for want of a better term (it's a highly misleading term IMO that was first coined by 729 ages back, but I still use it here anyway, as nothing better at describing the necessary physics seems to have been invented yet).

Blade effect basically refers to an extra "kick" of rebound speed that a blade can add to your strokes, thereby making your shots faster than what your rubber should theoretically otherwise be able to provide.

Blade effect often *feels* most pronounced when thinner sponge rubbers are combined with Hinoki blades (especially one ply blades), as this combination of blade and rubber allows blade effect to be detected far more clearly (this is not however the ideal way to achieve it... More on this later).

You can usually get some level of blade effect out of almost *any* blade, depending on the rubbers you've attached to it. You don't need to use Hinoki per se, It's just a lot easier to create the effect while using a super springy wood like Hinoki.

Blade effect is the reason why some specific rubber and blade combinations really 'click' well together and just feel fantastic (it's also the reason why others rubber / blade combos never quite gel properly and just feel kind of 'off'.)

With blade effect, rubber and blade synergistically become more than the sum of their parts, and perform better as a team. They are basically feeding off each other, and helping each other out more

When lots of blade effect is present between rubber and blade in your set up, other 'better and typically more expensive rubbers' can sometimes feel a bit dead and lifeless in comparison when strapped to the exact same blade.

I've meet hosts of players over the years who have found that for them personally, "Rubber A" performs better, and feels faster on their normal blade that Rubber B does ...even though on paper, Rubber B may be a far better product.

In most cases, they can have trouble pinpointing exactly why some rubbers just perform a lot better on their blade than other similar ones do.
The answer in my experience typically comes down to how much blade effect is present in their set up, (though there may be other factors at work too).

Blade effect, is basically a function of the relationship that exists between your rubber's average density & elastic potential on one side, and the density / hardness / elastic potential of the wood in your blade on the other.

Sponge thickness plays a part in this relationship yes, but the respective density and elasticity present in both your rubber and blade (and how they interact) matters far more than rubber thickness.

In its simplest terms, to create good blade effect, your playing rubber has to kind of 'partially bottom out' a lot during play... with emphasis on the word 'partially'.

To create blade effect, **just the right amount** of impact forces from ball hitting rubber, has to pass through the rubber completely and reach the outer surface of your blade.

"Regular" bottoming out tends to slow your shots down, as the hard surface of your blade stops your rubber stretching, and this limits the amount of elastic rebound it can impart to the ball.

With the "partial and synergistic" bottoming out that occurs with blade effect, the ball actually speeds up, because your blade basically starts acting like an extra layer of sponge, adding it's own catapult effect to the mix.

In this scenario, the wood of your blade blade (assuming it has just the right properties) will gets just enough impact energy from the ball, and is just flexible and elastic enough :

A: to allow your rubber to stretch and contract properly, without being hampered by the blade, while...

B: ...at the same time, adding its own inherent elastic reaction and extra energy into the mix, via elastic deformation the wood undergoes during impact, imparted by the energy that managed to reach the woods surface.

While this sort of reaction happens to some degree during every ball impact, that occurs on every blade and rubber, the elastic reaction of the blade and rubber often partially interfere with each other a bit, and get in each other's way. ie: their elastic reactions are slightly out of synch.

Good blade effect comes from rubber and blade being similar enough to work together, stretch together, and push back against the ball together, WITHOUT interfering with each other in the process.

When this happens, your blade's surface starts acting exactly like an extra layer of sponge underneath your playing rubber.

Instead of feeling like your playing with regular 1.5mm, 2.0mm or 2.2 mm rubber glued to a hard, immobile lifeless surface, your blade and rubber push back against the ball, at the same time in a highly cooperative manner, which feels a bit like you're actually using 3mm, 4mm or even 5mm sponge.

Blade effect happens more often with Hinoki blades, because hinoki is naturally springy and bouncy -- ie: it has greater elastic potential in a blade than most other woods.During impact, the Hinoki adds it's own elastic potential to the elastic potential inherent to your rubber, and you get that extra speed.

Now then -- in the situation you described in your post, all that thinner rubber is doing, is providing less resistance to the ball's impact forces than a thicker rubber would.

More impact force reaches the wood's surface with thinner sponge, so more energy is free to be returned to the ball by the blade's elastic potential.

The whole set up feels fast and lively as a result, even though the rubber itself is only very slow...but using thin sponge isn't really the best way to do it.

Really, to get the blade effect speed boost you're after, instead of using thinner sponge (which is always inherently slower than thicker sponge), you should instead use rubbers:

- that have thick sponge,
- that are springy and linear,
- and that are bit more towards the medium-soft / less dense end of the spectrum.

Just because a sponge is thinner, doesn't mean enough energy is going to reach the surface by default.

Dense dead sponge can still block a lot of energy from reaching the blade. For example, try strapping a regular H3, or 729 Super FX with blue sponge to a Hinoki one ply and see for yourself.

Even with 1.5mm sponge, it's still not going to feel like a very lively set-up -- the sponge is just too dense to allow much energy to get through easily.

These old dense rubbers are actively designed to act as impact dampers for your blade. They never really bottom out, so very little energy ever reaches the blade's surface.

Additionally, any extra rebound energy that actually does manage to reach the wood and bounce back, is just going to be dampened again even further as it passes back through that hard, dense, inelastic sponge on its way back towards the surface... The blade still feels dead as a result.

WIth thicker, springy, lower density sponge however (as opposed to thin sponge) you're still getting lots of impact energy reaching the blade's playing surface.

Low density sponge has more air in it... so just like with your thinner sponge scenario, more energy reaches the playing surface, as there is less intervening mass between ball and wood.

But in my scenario with the thicker less dense sponge, you're also not lumbered with trying to get more speed out of a thin sponge... You're still using thicker sponge, which always has higher net elastic potential and greater inherent speed to it than thinner sponge does, simply because there's more of it.

Granted, some softer low density sponges are inelastic, and feel downright 'mushy' to play with.

These rubbers are great at absorbing impact energy, but lousy at returning it, because the sponge simply isn't very elastic, and doesn't want to quickly snap back into its original shape.

These sort of low density sponge rubbers actively fight against and interfere with blade effect as well, as they prevent energy from reaching the blade's surface, and should therefore be avoided if you're seeking that extra speed (I'm looking at you 729 Top Point!).

The most efficient blade-effect combo I've personally ever seen, I discovered purely by accident, while developing up my own line of one-ply blades.

The wood I use is hugely springy and very similar to hinoki. I tried fitting the blade with regular T05 rubbers, but it really didn't feel particularly different or distinctive -- it was no faster than any regular standard blade would be, when fitted with butterfly Tenergys.

When I swapped the T05s out for a set of Palio AK-47 Blues however, the blade just went nuts! Speed and spin were off the charts, and the consensus was that the palio rubbers were clearly faster than the T05s, when fitted to this particular test blade.

Nobody in their right mind would expect AK47s to outperform T05s under normal circumstances... but here, the springiness of the blade, and the springiness of the rubber, were in perfect synch.

They pulled together, combined their elastic potential without impediment, and the ball went zooming away at bloody ridiculous speed.

They only out-performed the T05s, because their respective densities and elastic potential were a closer match for each other. The butterfly speed sponge however was just a little bit too thick and dense... The blades elastic potential wasn't engaged, not enough impact energy reached the blade, and speed was lower as a result.


Getting just the right combination of sponge thickness, sponge density, sponge elasticity, wood density, wood Janka rating (hardness) wood MOR (stiffness) and Wood MOE (elasticity), in order to get maximum blade effect with your set up, is a process of pure trial and error.

It's often (but not always) a long-term, Goldilocks-type of bat-tuning endeavor frankly, and I wish you luck with it.

The good news however, is you always know when you finally get all the various factors above 'just right', ...because your entire set-up suddenly turns into a goddamn rocket launcher.

With my one-ply blades I got lucky - the AK47s really are a gift from God when strapped to those particular blades, and using them together is just a downright hoot.

Hope all my blathering makes sense to you, hope it helps you out more that it confuses.

Further questions are welcome, best of luck with it all.
Wow ! Thanks you so much for this detail answer dude :) appreciate. Do you think Septear with 1.8mm T05 or Fastarc G-1 will be good ?
 
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Wow ! Thanks you so much for this detail answer dude :) appreciate. Do you think Septear with 1.8mm T05 or Fastarc G-1 will be good ?
Out of the two rubbers you mention, I've only played very little with the G-1, while the only T05s I've ever used all had max sponge. For that reason I'm hesitant to recommend either sorry (I have heard third hand that T05 in 1.9mm goes great on hinoki one plys, but I cant confirm that myself...make of that what you will.)

I haven't used G-1 in a very long time, so I'm having trouble remembering just how dense that sponge on it is (it might also come in different sponge hardness, which complicates the matter).

And as for the Septear, I've never tried it, nor any other 7-ply all hinoki blades sorry... but I'm willing to bet their feel and performance is close enough to a hinoki One-Ply for the following comments to be reasonably close to the mark (if there's any Septear uses in the audience who know better, please feel free to correct me 🙂).

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A Short Side Note
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So far I've been using Friendship's 729 term of 'Blade Effect" to describe this whole phenomenon, as to me it's the most accurate phrase for it going around.

729 doesn't provide much info about blade effect with their blades, but thankfully Butterfly does. They use the different proprietary term of "Reaction Property" to describe it, but (so far as I can tell) its referring to the exact same thing.

If you check out Butterfly's blade matrix (link here: https://www.butterfly-global.com/en/products/blade/matrix.html) it lists the vibration and reaction property for all their blades. Note that their only hinoki One-Ply models are penhold blades, but they also score highest out of all their blades for 'rebound effect' by a fair margin.

I note Butterfly fail to mention that 'reaction property' will vary depending on a rubber's sponge density, which to me makes this whole matrix a bit misleading... but it's still reasonably useful for general discussion purposes.

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Best way I can probably help you us here, is to give you examples of rubbers:

1. That I have personally tried and am pretty familiar with, and

2. That I already know team pretty well (or somewhat poorly) with hinoki One-Plys to create lots of blade effect.


Good Rubbers to get lots of blade effect from a hinoki one ply:

- Joola Energy Xtra Green Power - 2.0mm (highly recommended! This rubber when mounted on my own one ply actually matched the max sponge T05 mounted on the other side for both speed and spin) Thicker versions of the Joola became too 'mushy', but the 2.0mm sponge was a killer!

- Palio AK47 - both Red and blue sponge versions - 2.1mm sponge. Both are really great hinoki one ply rubbers!!

- Almost any pips out rubber with 1.0mm sponge

- Some of the softer sponge Hexers go well in 2.0mm - can't remember exactly which hardness though sorry.

- Mark V in 1.8mm, if you're feeling nostalgic.

- mid hard Focus 3 Snipe in 2.0mm is pretty good too


Poor Blade Effect Rubbers:

- Stock standard non-boosted H3 in max. Never has the old H3 'pig skin' deserved it's nickname more, then when strapped to a hinoki one ply. The blade just feels dead as fried chicken.. the standard sponge is just way too dense.

- 729 Super FX : (blue sponge 1.5mm) and (orange sponge 1.8mm) -- they both suck, despite being thinner spinny sticky rubbers... again its because the sponge is just too dense to get much blade effect at all.

- T05 in max sponge. Yes it's a fast spinny rubber, but a Hinoki one ply doesn't make it any faster, or spinnier... The sponge doesn't let enough energy through to engage the hinoki's rebound / blade effect...it just feels exactly the same as always, and is frankly wasted on a Hinoki blade IMO.(maybe 1.8mm is okay?... But I doubt it.)

My advice: in a nutshell, if it's a springy Hinoki blade you're using, and you want lots of blade effect, then go with either the 2.0mm Joola rubber or the AK47s as listed above. You get Tenergy/tensor like performance from them everytime, but at real bargain-basement prices.

Hope this helps. Good luck! 🙂
 
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Out of the two rubbers you mention, I've only played very little with the G-1, while the only T05s I've ever used all had max sponge. For that reason I'm hesitant to recommend either sorry (I have heard third hand that T05 in 1.9mm goes great on hinoki one plys, but I cant confirm that myself...make of that what you will.)

I haven't used G-1 in a very long time, so I'm having trouble remembering just how dense that sponge on it is (it might also come in different sponge hardness, which complicates the matter).

And as for the Septear, I've never tried it, nor any other 7-ply all hinoki blades sorry... but I'm willing to bet their feel and performance is close enough to a hinoki One-Ply for the following comments to be reasonably close to the mark (if there's any Septear uses in the audience who know better, please feel free to correct me 🙂).

*****************
A Short Side Note
*****************
So far I've been using Friendship's 729 term of 'Blade Effect" to describe this whole phenomenon, as to me it's the most accurate phrase for it going around.

729 doesn't provide much info about blade effect with their blades, but thankfully Butterfly does. They use the different proprietary term of "Reaction Property" to describe it, but (so far as I can tell) its referring to the exact same thing.

If you check out Butterfly's blade matrix (link here: https://www.butterfly-global.com/en/products/blade/matrix.html) it lists the vibration and reaction property for all their blades. Note that their only hinoki One-Ply models are penhold blades, but they also score highest out of all their blades for 'rebound effect' by a fair margin.

I note Butterfly fail to mention that 'reaction property' will vary depending on a rubber's sponge density, which to me makes this whole matrix a bit misleading... but it's still reasonably useful for general discussion purposes.

*******************
*******************

Best way I can probably help you us here, is to give you examples of rubbers:

1. That I have personally tried and am pretty familiar with, and

2. That I already know team pretty well (or somewhat poorly) with hinoki One-Plys to create lots of blade effect.


Good Rubbers to get lots of blade effect from a hinoki one ply:

- Joola Energy Xtra Green Power - 2.0mm (highly recommended! This rubber when mounted on my own one ply actually matched the max sponge T05 mounted on the other side for both speed and spin) Thicker versions of the Joola became too 'mushy', but the 2.0mm sponge was a killer!

- Palio AK47 - both Red and blue sponge versions - 2.1mm sponge. Both are really great hinoki one ply rubbers!!

- Almost any pips out rubber with 1.0mm sponge

- Some of the softer sponge Hexers go well in 2.0mm - can't remember exactly which hardness though sorry.

- Mark V in 1.8mm, if you're feeling nostalgic.

- mid hard Focus 3 Snipe in 2.0mm is pretty good too


Poor Blade Effect Rubbers:

- Stock standard non-boosted H3 in max. Never has the old H3 'pig skin' deserved it's nickname more, then when strapped to a hinoki one ply. The blade just feels dead as fried chicken.. the standard sponge is just way too dense.

- 729 Super FX : (blue sponge 1.5mm) and (orange sponge 1.8mm) -- they both suck, despite being thinner spinny sticky rubbers... again its because the sponge is just too dense to get much blade effect at all.

- T05 in max sponge. Yes it's a fast spinny rubber, but a Hinoki one ply doesn't make it any faster, or spinnier... The sponge doesn't let enough energy through to engage the hinoki's rebound / blade effect...it just feels exactly the same as always, and is frankly wasted on a Hinoki blade IMO.(maybe 1.8mm is okay?... But I doubt it.)

My advice: in a nutshell, if it's a springy Hinoki blade you're using, and you want lots of blade effect, then go with either the 2.0mm Joola rubber or the AK47s as listed above. You get Tenergy/tensor like performance from them everytime, but at real bargain-basement prices.

Hope this helps. Good luck! 🙂
Thank you again !

I'll take a look then, it helped me a lot ;-)
 
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Out of the two rubbers you mention, I've only played very little with the G-1, while the only T05s I've ever used all had max sponge. For that reason I'm hesitant to recommend either sorry (I have heard third hand that T05 in 1.9mm goes great on hinoki one plys, but I cant confirm that myself...make of that what you will.)

I haven't used G-1 in a very long time, so I'm having trouble remembering just how dense that sponge on it is (it might also come in different sponge hardness, which complicates the matter).

And as for the Septear, I've never tried it, nor any other 7-ply all hinoki blades sorry... but I'm willing to bet their feel and performance is close enough to a hinoki One-Ply for the following comments to be reasonably close to the mark (if there's any Septear uses in the audience who know better, please feel free to correct me 🙂).

*****************
A Short Side Note
*****************
So far I've been using Friendship's 729 term of 'Blade Effect" to describe this whole phenomenon, as to me it's the most accurate phrase for it going around.

729 doesn't provide much info about blade effect with their blades, but thankfully Butterfly does. They use the different proprietary term of "Reaction Property" to describe it, but (so far as I can tell) its referring to the exact same thing.

If you check out Butterfly's blade matrix (link here: https://www.butterfly-global.com/en/products/blade/matrix.html) it lists the vibration and reaction property for all their blades. Note that their only hinoki One-Ply models are penhold blades, but they also score highest out of all their blades for 'rebound effect' by a fair margin.

I note Butterfly fail to mention that 'reaction property' will vary depending on a rubber's sponge density, which to me makes this whole matrix a bit misleading... but it's still reasonably useful for general discussion purposes.

*******************
*******************

Best way I can probably help you us here, is to give you examples of rubbers:

1. That I have personally tried and am pretty familiar with, and

2. That I already know team pretty well (or somewhat poorly) with hinoki One-Plys to create lots of blade effect.


Good Rubbers to get lots of blade effect from a hinoki one ply:

- Joola Energy Xtra Green Power - 2.0mm (highly recommended! This rubber when mounted on my own one ply actually matched the max sponge T05 mounted on the other side for both speed and spin) Thicker versions of the Joola became too 'mushy', but the 2.0mm sponge was a killer!

- Palio AK47 - both Red and blue sponge versions - 2.1mm sponge. Both are really great hinoki one ply rubbers!!

- Almost any pips out rubber with 1.0mm sponge

- Some of the softer sponge Hexers go well in 2.0mm - can't remember exactly which hardness though sorry.

- Mark V in 1.8mm, if you're feeling nostalgic.

- mid hard Focus 3 Snipe in 2.0mm is pretty good too


Poor Blade Effect Rubbers:

- Stock standard non-boosted H3 in max. Never has the old H3 'pig skin' deserved it's nickname more, then when strapped to a hinoki one ply. The blade just feels dead as fried chicken.. the standard sponge is just way too dense.

- 729 Super FX : (blue sponge 1.5mm) and (orange sponge 1.8mm) -- they both suck, despite being thinner spinny sticky rubbers... again its because the sponge is just too dense to get much blade effect at all.

- T05 in max sponge. Yes it's a fast spinny rubber, but a Hinoki one ply doesn't make it any faster, or spinnier... The sponge doesn't let enough energy through to engage the hinoki's rebound / blade effect...it just feels exactly the same as always, and is frankly wasted on a Hinoki blade IMO.(maybe 1.8mm is okay?... But I doubt it.)

My advice: in a nutshell, if it's a springy Hinoki blade you're using, and you want lots of blade effect, then go with either the 2.0mm Joola rubber or the AK47s as listed above. You get Tenergy/tensor like performance from them everytime, but at real bargain-basement prices.

Hope this helps. Good luck! 🙂
So when Ryu Seung Min was using tenergy 05 on his one ply hinoki his performance was actually hindered by this blade rubber combination?
 
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So when Ryu Seung Min was using tenergy 05 on his one ply hinoki his performance was actually hindered by this blade rubber combination?
Despite this "question" sounding awfully trollish, I'll bite and offer some possibilities.

1) We don't know what thickness he was using. Perhaps it was the "magic" 1.9mm that has been championed elsewhere.

2) Wakibatty can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe their argument was purely focused on speed/rebound effect, not spin. Also, to a lesser extent, budget. It's pretty well agreed upon that T05 has outstanding grip and spin potential and I don't think anyone would argue AK47 comes close. A professional with no budgetary concerns would likely choose the best combination of speed and spin potential. Wakibatty didn't say T05 played poorly, they said it didn't play any differently; that is to say, still plenty good.

3) Sponsorship. When was the last time you saw a pro sponsored by Palio?
 
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So when Ryu Seung Min was using tenergy 05 on his one ply hinoki his performance was actually hindered by this blade rubber combination?
...pretty much what golden-son said.

But just to clarify for the record:
  • My comments were explaining exactly which rubbers in my own personal opinion perform best on hinoki and other inherently elastic, high rebound softwoods

  • My comments were also geared towards answering a specific question - i.e.: which rubber and blade combinations allow a player to achieve the highest levels of hinoki-driven blade effect when using a one ply blade

  • I stand by my earlier comments: while Tenergy 05 (and Butterfly spring sponge in general) are both fantastic rubbers, they also in my experience are not completely optimal at maximising the extra blade effect speed / popping catapult you get from hinoki, cypress and other similar woods, when teamed with a one-ply blade.
The reason for this has to do with the density of the sponge layer -- Max thickness spring sponge is sufficiently thick and dense to partially isolate the blade's playing surface from receiving the bulk of the ball's impact forces. Thinner sponge of the same density however tends to let more of the impact forces reach the blades playing surface, so the blade is therefore able to add extra speed to the ball.

I.e.: in order to get the maximum amount of blade effect out of a one-ply, you need the rubber to bottom out **just a tiny bit.**

Too much bottoming out means you lose speed from the sponge layer. Too little bottoming out however prevents the blade's popping catapult from coming into play.... the whole thing very much a Goldilocks-like situation.

Moreover, I would also go further than my earlier comments, and say that out of all the rubbers I've personally tried, those from Butterfly that feature Tenergy-like spring sponge, seem to be the LEAST susceptible to blade effect forces.

More specifically, by this I mean that in my experience, Tenergy rubbers are far more likely to perform pretty much the same, regardless of which blade you strap them to.

There are plenty of other, perfectly decent rubbers out there that really need to be teamed with certain blades to get the very best out of them. This doesn't seem to be the case for Tenergy rubbers however (or at least, it seems to be far less of a factor.)

In other words, I find that Tenergy rubbers don't need to be strapped to the "right" blade in order to achieve their best... they tend to perform at largely the same level no matter what blade you strap them to, largely because they are so good at isolating the blade from impact forces.

The flip side of this being, other, cheaper, and more blade-sensitive rubbers, have the potential to out perform a Tenergy if they are strapped to the RIGHT blade.

In such cases the inherent impact dynamics of the blade perfectly augment and combine with the properties of the rubber, and together they achieve levels of combined speed and spin that a stock-standard Tenergy simply couldn't achieve on its own.

As for whether Ryu Seung Min was using a sub-optimal set up.... I honestly couldn't say:

  • What is an optimal set up for one player, might be a sub-optimal set up for another.
  • I honestly don't know what thickness the sponge layer was on his blade at the time. It's possible (albeit very unlikely) they might have been using be a custom sponge / toposheet combo (which is still legal in competition IIRC)

  • As I said in my disclaimers above, the whole "blade-effect synergy" thing I'm trying to describe here varies a lot from blade to blade, and rubber to rubber. What's necessary is creating the right relationship between the thickness and density of the rubber and its sponge layer on one hand, and the amount of inherent elastic bounce (or popping catapult / reaction force / elastic potential / whatever-else-you-want-to-call-it) that exists in the blade on the other.
This whole process lies at the heart of Tuning Your Set-up, something every competitive player goes through at some time or another.

Hope this helps.
 
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Despite this "question" sounding awfully trollish, I'll bite and offer some possibilities.

1) We don't know what thickness he was using. Perhaps it was the "magic" 1.9mm that has been championed elsewhere.

2) Wakibatty can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe their argument was purely focused on speed/rebound effect, not spin. Also, to a lesser extent, budget. It's pretty well agreed upon that T05 has outstanding grip and spin potential and I don't think anyone would argue AK47 comes close. A professional with no budgetary concerns would likely choose the best combination of speed and spin potential. Wakibatty didn't say T05 played poorly, they said it didn't play any differently; that is to say, still plenty good.

3) Sponsorship. When was the last time you saw a pro sponsored by Palio?
You're right. Reading his post again I must have misread it as I thought he said Tenergy 05 pairs poorly with one ply hinoki, but he was actually saying it just doesn't add or take from T05 performance (it's neutral?). I suppose my follow up question for that would then be what does add to T05 performance? Or does it not matter what blade you have underneath as T05 will perform the same on all of them?

And yes sponsorship, this was the likely answer I had in my mind as of course being a butterfly sponsored player at the time he would have to use a butterfly rubber.
 
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...pretty much what golden-son said.

But just to clarify for the record:
  • My comments were explaining exactly which rubbers in my own personal opinion perform best on hinoki and other inherently elastic, high rebound softwoods

  • My comments were also geared towards answering a specific question - i.e.: which rubber and blade combinations allow a player to achieve the highest levels of hinoki-driven blade effect when using a one ply blade

  • I stand by my earlier comments: while Tenergy 05 (and Butterfly spring sponge in general) are both fantastic rubbers, they also in my experience are not completely optimal at maximising the extra blade effect speed / popping catapult you get from hinoki, cypress and other similar woods, when teamed with a one-ply blade.
The reason for this has to do with the density of the sponge layer -- Max thickness spring sponge is sufficiently thick and dense to partially isolate the blade's playing surface from receiving the bulk of the ball's impact forces. Thinner sponge of the same density however tends to let more of the impact forces reach the blades playing surface, so the blade is therefore able to add extra speed to the ball.

I.e.: in order to get the maximum amount of blade effect out of a one-ply, you need the rubber to bottom out **just a tiny bit.**

Too much bottoming out means you lose speed from the sponge layer. Too little bottoming out however prevents the blade's popping catapult from coming into play.... the whole thing very much a Goldilocks-like situation.

Moreover, I would also go further than my earlier comments, and say that out of all the rubbers I've personally tried, those from Butterfly that feature Tenergy-like spring sponge, seem to be the LEAST susceptible to blade effect forces.

More specifically, by this I mean that in my experience, Tenergy rubbers are far more likely to perform pretty much the same, regardless of which blade you strap them to.

There are plenty of other, perfectly decent rubbers out there that really need to be teamed with certain blades to get the very best out of them. This doesn't seem to be the case for Tenergy rubbers however (or at least, it seems to be far less of a factor.)

In other words, I find that Tenergy rubbers don't need to be strapped to the "right" blade in order to achieve their best... they tend to perform at largely the same level no matter what blade you strap them to, largely because they are so good at isolating the blade from impact forces.

The flip side of this being, other, cheaper, and more blade-sensitive rubbers, have the potential to out perform a Tenergy if they are strapped to the RIGHT blade.

In such cases the inherent impact dynamics of the blade perfectly augment and combine with the properties of the rubber, and together they achieve levels of combined speed and spin that a stock-standard Tenergy simply couldn't achieve on its own.

As for whether Ryu Seung Min was using a sub-optimal set up.... I honestly couldn't say:

  • What is an optimal set up for one player, might be a sub-optimal set up for another.
  • I honestly don't know what thickness the sponge layer was on his blade at the time. It's possible (albeit very unlikely) they might have been using be a custom sponge / toposheet combo (which is still legal in competition IIRC)

  • As I said in my disclaimers above, the whole "blade-effect synergy" thing I'm trying to describe here varies a lot from blade to blade, and rubber to rubber. What's necessary is creating the right relationship between the thickness and density of the rubber and its sponge layer on one hand, and the amount of inherent elastic bounce (or popping catapult / reaction force / elastic potential / whatever-else-you-want-to-call-it) that exists in the blade on the other.
This whole process lies at the heart of Tuning Your Set-up, something every competitive player goes through at some time or another.

Hope this helps.
Thank you Wakkibatty. You've given a very detailed reply and I couldn't ask for more. You've even answered my follow up question in my earlier post. I guess it'll just be good ol' trial and error to see what rubbers play well on the blades I have.

About the sponge thickness though, I do have doubts about how much of a difference say 1.9mm has to 2.1mm. We're talking about a 0.2mm difference here, and in the first place the ITTF restricted the thickness of a rubber to be no more than 4mm for probably a good reason. Otherwise I would without hesitation go for thicker rubbers as soon as they allow it. If some bottoming out is required, just go for a softer sponge if the one you're trying is too hard? Because I would say even the hardest sponges still don't come close to matching the hardness of the underlying wood, so trying to get blade/rubber synergy there is futile?
 
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Thank you Wakkibatty. You've given a very detailed reply and I couldn't ask for more. You've even answered my follow up question in my earlier post. I guess it'll just be good ol' trial and error to see what rubbers play well on the blades I have.

About the sponge thickness though, I do have doubts about how much of a difference say 1.9mm has to 2.1mm. We're talking about a 0.2mm difference here, and in the first place the ITTF restricted the thickness of a rubber to be no more than 4mm for probably a good reason. Otherwise I would without hesitation go for thicker rubbers as soon as they allow it. If some bottoming out is required, just go for a softer sponge if the one you're trying is too hard? Because I would say even the hardest sponges still don't come close to matching the hardness of the underlying wood, so trying to get blade/rubber synergy there is futile?
You're welcome :) Genuinely glad I could help.

In response to your follow up questions and comments above:

  • Do high-rebound softwoods in a blade (eg: hinoki) meaningfully improve the performance of Tenergy rubbers?

    In my personal experience, no they don't --or at least not so much that I notice it hugely. Spin, speed and control feels roughly the same to me. Other players might report a bigger difference, but to my hand, it still just feels and plays just like a typical Tenergy, and the presence or absence of any hinoki / cypress / etc in the blade doesn't affect the end result very much as all.

    Please note I'm referring specifically here to the T05 in max sponge, as its the Tenergy rubber I have most experience with. I still have yet to try ANY 1.9mm Tenergy rubber on a hinoki blade or one of my Sköllawood one-plys / multi plys, so I can't personally comment on that one. I've have however tried the T05 Max on all sorts of various blades over the years, including on various hinoki / cypress / Sköllawood models, and I just don't notice very much difference at all between them. That said, enough people who's opinions I trust have told me the 1.9mm Tenergy works well on a hinoki blade, so for that reason alone I sometimes include the 1.9mm T05 on my list of hinoki-friendly rubbers, despite never having tried this particular combo myself.

    I have however tried plenty of OTHER various rubber lines in both 1.9mm and MAX, and usually find a significant difference in performance with most of them, regardless of the blade. I only ever specifically exclude the 1.9mm T05 because I haven't actually tried one personally, and because of all the various rubbers lines out there I've tried over the years, it's the Tenergy line of rubbers in particular that feel the most homogenous and consistent to my hand, regardless of the blade they're strapped to.



  • Can a 0.2mm difference in thickness really make that much difference to bat performance?

    Oh God yes!

    I appreciate 0.2mm doesn't sound like much, but trust me -- in terms of either making a blade, or in terms of inverted sponge thickness, 0.2mm is a considerable difference.

    Whether or not the difference is enough for you personally to notice it right away during play, I honestly cannot say. Some people are very sensitive to such changes in their equipment, others are far less so.
    When I'm making a blade however, I find that in the majority of cases, a 0.2mm reduction in material thickness, implemented in just the right location, is all that's required to turn an otherwise OFF or OFF+ rated blade, into an OFF- or ALL++ rated blade.

    This phenomenon is especially true with the higher rebound softwoods (eg: Hinoki, Cypress, Sköllawood, and to a lesser degree with semi-bouncy softwoods like Western Red Cedar and Spruce). All these woods work very much like the accelerator pedal for your blade. The more of these woods that are included in a blade, the faster the blade tends to be. Small increases in the amount of these particular woods in a blade (eg: going from 1.3mm layer thickness up to 1.5mm) works a lot like shifting out of third gear in a car, and into fourth.



  • Will you get a bigger blade effect performance boost (out of high-rebound woods in general), if you switch to an inverted rubber with soft or semi soft sponge?

    Yep!! :cool: ...sure do! 😁😁
    Quite frankly IMO, this is the best way of all to achieve maximum blade-effect out of high-rebound softwoods, and is precisely the sort of thing that justifies all the hype around hinoki blades in the first place.

    High rebound woods like hinoki make very little difference to the performance of premium rubbers with dense springy sponge (eg: a T05 rubber in MAX sponge). The sponge is just too think and far too hard.
    But they make an absolutely PHENOMENAL amount of difference to something that has max thickness mid-soft sponge, like for example a Palio AK47 Blue, or Yasaka R7 Soft. The difference is literally chalk and cheese.

    Strapping an AK47 Blue in MAX sponge onto a multi-ply blade with hinoki outers (or better yet, a hinoki one ply!) is the best way I know of to get Tenergy level performance, out of a $20 bargain-basement inverted rubber. Go with a set of MAX Rakza 7 Softs instead however, and you can get reasonably close to Dignics-like levels spin and speed out of your set-up, for roughly half the price.

    I did an experiment some years back on this whole phenomenon by fitting a red T05 in max sponge to one side of my own personal Skolla Mk 1 one ply, with a max sponge Palio AK47 Blue fitted on the other side.

    Despite the $100 difference between these rubbers in purchase price, during my subsequent play tests, the Palio rubber quite comfortably matched the T05 for spin, speed and control.
    Incredulous, I then swapped out the brand new AK47 for a well-used Joola Xtra Energy Green Power with 2.0mm sponge... and I got the exact same result: the Joola comfortably matched the T05 for spin speed and control, DESPITE it also having thinner sponge.

    (**EDIT - Sorry, just noticed I mentioned this exact experience earlier in the thread... my apologies**)

    I could literally talk for hours about how much better hinoki / cypress / Sköllawood blades perform when teamed with mid-soft inverted rubbers, or precisely why it is you see such a change in performance... but I don't need to describe anything, as its a very easy thing to experience for yourself:


    -- Go buy two sheets of AK47 Blue in max sponge from Aliexpress. It'll cost you about $40 Australian, plus postage. Myself I prefer the AK47B with a red top sheet, but choose whichever one you fancy.

    --Fit one AK47B rubber to any regular blade with hinoki outer layers, and the other one to a blade of comparable speed, weight and thickness that DOESN'T have ANY high-rebound softwood in it.

    -- Be sure to use the same rubber glue on both blades, in the same quantities... you want to do everything you can to ensure both the rubbers are properly mounted

    --DON'T stretch the rubbers AT ALL when mounting them, and don't think about boosting them either - it'll just ruin your fun.

    -- Finally, go find a robot or training partner somewhere, and try out both blades side by side, to see if the "hinoki + mid-soft sponge" combo makes any discernible difference to rubber performance* Don't be shy with your strokes either - remember, you WANT the AK47 to bottom out a bit in order to get the best out of it, and ensure the hinoki layers do their thing.

(* It will, …and you're welcome 😁.)

Hope this helps.
 
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You're welcome :) Genuinely glad I could help.

In response to your follow up questions and comments above:

  • Do high-rebound softwoods in a blade (eg: hinoki) meaningfully improve the performance of Tenergy rubbers?

    In my personal experience, no they don't --or at least not so much that I notice it hugely. Spin, speed and control feels roughly the same to me. Other players might report a bigger difference, but to my hand, it still just feels and plays just like a typical Tenergy, and the presence or absence of any hinoki / cypress / etc in the blade doesn't affect the end result very much as all.

    Please note I'm referring specifically here to the T05 in max sponge, as its the Tenergy rubber I have most experience with. I still have yet to try ANY 1.9mm Tenergy rubber on a hinoki blade or one of my Sköllawood one-plys / multi plys, so I can't personally comment on that one. I've have however tried the T05 Max on all sorts of various blades over the years, including on various hinoki / cypress / Sköllawood models, and I just don't notice very much difference at all between them. That said, enough people who's opinions I trust have told me the 1.9mm Tenergy works well on a hinoki blade, so for that reason alone I sometimes include the 1.9mm T05 on my list of hinoki-friendly rubbers, despite never having tried this particular combo myself.

    I have however tried plenty of OTHER various rubber lines in both 1.9mm and MAX, and usually find a significant difference in performance with most of them, regardless of the blade. I only ever specifically exclude the 1.9mm T05 because I haven't actually tried one personally, and because of all the various rubbers lines out there I've tried over the years, it's the Tenergy line of rubbers in particular that feel the most homogenous and consistent to my hand, regardless of the blade they're strapped to.



  • Can a 0.2mm difference in thickness really make that much difference to bat performance?

    Oh God yes!

    I appreciate 0.2mm doesn't sound like much, but trust me -- in terms of either making a blade, or in terms of inverted sponge thickness, 0.2mm is a considerable difference.

    Whether or not the difference is enough for you personally to notice it right away during play, I honestly cannot say. Some people are very sensitive to such changes in their equipment, others are far less so.
    When I'm making a blade however, I find that in the majority of cases, a 0.2mm reduction in material thickness, implemented in just the right location, is all that's required to turn an otherwise OFF or OFF+ rated blade, into an OFF- or ALL++ rated blade.

    This phenomenon is especially true with the higher rebound softwoods (eg: Hinoki, Cypress, Sköllawood, and to a lesser degree with semi-bouncy softwoods like Western Red Cedar and Spruce). All these woods work very much like the accelerator pedal for your blade. The more of these woods that are included in a blade, the faster the blade tends to be. Small increases in the amount of these particular woods in a blade (eg: going from 1.3mm layer thickness up to 1.5mm) works a lot like shifting out of third gear in a car, and into fourth.



  • Will you get a bigger blade effect performance boost (out of high-rebound woods in general), if you switch to an inverted rubber with soft or semi soft sponge?

    Yep!! :cool: ...sure do! 😁😁
    Quite frankly IMO, this is the best way of all to achieve maximum blade-effect out of high-rebound softwoods, and is precisely the sort of thing that justifies all the hype around hinoki blades in the first place.

    High rebound woods like hinoki make very little difference to the performance of premium rubbers with dense springy sponge (eg: a T05 rubber in MAX sponge). The sponge is just too think and far too hard.
    But they make an absolutely PHENOMENAL amount of difference to something that has max thickness mid-soft sponge, like for example a Palio AK47 Blue, or Yasaka R7 Soft. The difference is literally chalk and cheese.

    Strapping an AK47 Blue in MAX sponge onto a multi-ply blade with hinoki outers (or better yet, a hinoki one ply!) is the best way I know of to get Tenergy level performance, out of a $20 bargain-basement inverted rubber. Go with a set of MAX Rakza 7 Softs instead however, and you can get reasonably close to Dignics-like levels spin and speed out of your set-up, for roughly half the price.

    I did an experiment some years back on this whole phenomenon by fitting a red T05 in max sponge to one side of my own personal Skolla Mk 1 one ply, with a max sponge Palio AK47 Blue fitted on the other side.

    Despite the $100 difference between these rubbers in purchase price, during my subsequent play tests, the Palio rubber quite comfortably matched the T05 for spin, speed and control.
    Incredulous, I then swapped out the brand new AK47 for a well-used Joola Xtra Energy Green Power with 2.0mm sponge... and I got the exact same result: the Joola comfortably matched the T05 for spin speed and control, DESPITE it also having thinner sponge.

    (**EDIT - Sorry, just noticed I mentioned this exact experience earlier in the thread... my apologies**)

    I could literally talk for hours about how much better hinoki / cypress / Sköllawood blades perform when teamed with mid-soft inverted rubbers, or precisely why it is you see such a change in performance... but I don't need to describe anything, as its a very easy thing to experience for yourself:


    -- Go buy two sheets of AK47 Blue in max sponge from Aliexpress. It'll cost you about $40 Australian, plus postage. Myself I prefer the AK47B with a red top sheet, but choose whichever one you fancy.

    --Fit one AK47B rubber to any regular blade with hinoki outer layers, and the other one to a blade of comparable speed, weight and thickness that DOESN'T have ANY high-rebound softwood in it.

    -- Be sure to use the same rubber glue on both blades, in the same quantities... you want to do everything you can to ensure both the rubbers are properly mounted

    --DON'T stretch the rubbers AT ALL when mounting them, and don't think about boosting them either - it'll just ruin your fun.

    -- Finally, go find a robot or training partner somewhere, and try out both blades side by side, to see if the "hinoki + mid-soft sponge" combo makes any discernible difference to rubber performance* Don't be shy with your strokes either - remember, you WANT the AK47 to bottom out a bit in order to get the best out of it, and ensure the hinoki layers do their thing.

(* It will, …and you're welcome 😁.)

Hope this helps.
Thanks again Wakkibatty. Do you have any experience with T05 FX? On my cheap butterfly jpen, I've been using that rubber for a few months now and believe the sponge is too soft as I feel it is bottoming out too easily. I bought a hinoki one ply blade that I've just received today and plan to change both blades rubbers to T05 hard tomorrow. This way I can compare the difference in feel between T05FX and T05H on the same blade, and between different blades with the same rubber. I had given up on T05FX but maybe after a few months of use I should give it another shot but this time on my hinoki one ply?

Also, I don't muck around with sponge thickness, I just go max everytime. Thanks to your comment though, maybe I'll experiment with it in the future but I don't see myself doing so anytime soon. But your comment about the blade thickness (what a 0.2mm increase in blade thickness can do) has me intrigued. I ordered a 10mm thick hinoki blade, should I go thicker in the future? Would the difference between 10mm and 10.2mm be noticeable? Or even between 10mm and 12mm? What's the limit? How far should I go? I'm now thinking of wanting a 20mm thick blade 😂.
 
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@ Wakkibatty:

I tried to contact you with pm 2 days ago, but I did not get ana reaction up to now.
Can you tell me the price of such a Skölla blade (shipping to Germany included)?
Unfortunately there isn`t any price information on your website.
 
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