Rating progress evaluation

[z0uLess]

Is this four year progress of my rating acceptable for someone born in 1984 who never tried any racket sports before, or should I re-evaluate my training methods / training environment?

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Is this four year progress of my rating acceptable for someone born in 1984 who never tried any racket sports before, or should I re-evaluate my training methods / training environment?

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as long as you were better than your yesterday self, you have won!

the above is applicable for hobby player, not applicable for those who derive income from this activity.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

"Acceptable" is up to you to define, but if you are training and trying to improve and this is the USATT system, then 1000-1200 in 4 years is probably a good indication you should revisit your training methods.

 

[boretennis]

i assume this is ELO rating?
just by the trajectory i think i started off similar, first evaluation of a start rating made by my trainer after seeing me play in training, then some drop due to the reality of real life match and tournament play, and then a slow but steady upwards trajectory due to regular training and gaining experience against all those different players out there.

 

[ToH]

I think its not like the US system, but not far from it. I think for lower rated player the level is higher in Norway.
If i look at your development from Juli 2023 to today i think you have a good progress. It also depends if you play only league or tournaments? Do you play in Oslo area? Wich division?

 

[Yuomay]

i assume this is ELO rating?
just by the trajectory i think i started off similar, first evaluation of a start rating made by my trainer after seeing me play in training, then some drop due to the reality of real life match and tournament play, and then a slow but steady upwards trajectory due to regular training and gaining experience against all those different players out there.

Same here

 

[latej]

It is hard for non-Norway people to answer your question, because we don't know the ELO ranges. But important is, you're going up. I'd add that you should compare also with other people in Norway, e.g. the club-members. Are they also going up this way, or are they stagnating but on higher ELO level? These things we can't answer, but you can...

 

[NextLevel]

Is this four year progress of my rating acceptable for someone born in 1984 who never tried any racket sports before, or should I re-evaluate my training methods / training environment?

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One has to have a feel for the national level this indicates and the typical progress at that national level to know. Sometimes percentile ranking is easier to translate across countries.

Even if you have played racket sports before, your improvement is up to you yo figure out and accept. I support what coach Liu Gozoliang said, when you dont play for money, all the progress parameters and goals are up to you.

If this was the USATT system, this would not be unusual, but it would definitely not be exceptional and one could definitely seek some intervention before deciding whether this is close to your peak or not. But the fact that you are still progressing means that you can still wait for another plateau before serious self-investigation.

 

[z0uLess]

I think its not like the US system, but not far from it. I think for lower rated player the level is higher in Norway.
If i look at your development from Juli 2023 to today i think you have a good progress. It also depends if you play only league or tournaments? Do you play in Oslo area? Wich division?

Yes, I live in Oslo. I started directly in fourth division and I try to play some tournaments here and there. We have six divisions in total now, I think. I probably dont participate in enough tournaments. Some stalling over summer, but I play outdoors in the park then. I also play the league for companies in third divison where I dont get rating points.

 

[z0uLess]

It is hard for non-Norway people to answer your question, because we don't know the ELO ranges. But important is, you're going up. I'd add that you should compare also with other people in Norway, e.g. the club-members. Are they also going up this way, or are they stagnating but on higher ELO level? These things we can't answer, but you can...

I tend to ask players I face how long they have played and in the start I felt I could keep up with most people that had played 1-2 years, but some young players shoot up to 1600-2000 after four years ... they do have a bit of a two dimensional game tho, and they get way way more coaching ... feeding them balls and playing every day. I played against one teenager a couple of weekends ago that had played five years in a club, and I could almost keep up with him, but I'd say he had 100-300 ranking points above me in terms of skill level

So right now, I accept that I cant keep up with these teenagers. Most of it has to do with how much training I am physically able to handle, but also limitations in how players at my level still dont know how to consistently block to do drills properly. I used to train with a robot. It did help me develop opening up vs underspin, but it made me severly understimulated in game sense, rythm and understanding spin based on watching my opponent ... but it was also dangerously close to injuring me badly for the repeditive motions. So I sold it.

One adult player in my club who tried following the young players trajectory has ben out with injury for a year now. I also got jumpers knee when training to topspin with the chinese technique, but I just did some physical therapy and the knee works ok now. The good thing is that I am able to handle about 4-5 trainings per week, and I try to stick to this load for a while and possibly have strong enough tendons to increase training in the long run.

 

[z0uLess]

"Acceptable" is up to you to define, but if you are training and trying to improve and this is the USATT system, then 1000-1200 in 4 years is probably a good indication you should revisit your training methods.

As far as I understand, there is a norm of setting 1000 ELO on every player that has zero experience and 1250 on adult players that played when they were younger, but there has been a wave of adult players coming to the sport in Norway after a television show, so I believe there is a bit of an inflation in the system, if thats what you would call it. If I were to translate my level when I started, I would consider it lower than some of the 1000 players that started at the same time.

One of the better adult players in my training group started one year earlier than me and has 1400 rating now. He is 30 years old.

 

[Yuomay]

I tend to ask players I face how long they have played and in the start I felt I could keep up with most people that had played 1-2 years, but some young players shoot up to 1600-2000 after four years ... they do have a bit of a two dimensional game tho, and they get way way more coaching ... feeding them balls and playing every day. I played against one teenager a couple of weekends ago that had played five years in a club, and I could almost keep up with him, but I'd say he had 100-300 ranking points above me in terms of skill level

So right now, I accept that I cant keep up with these teenagers. Most of it has to do with how much training I am physically able to handle, but also limitations in how players at my level still dont know how to consistently block to do drills properly. I used to train with a robot. It did help me develop opening up vs underspin, but it made me severly understimulated in game sense, rythm and understanding spin based on watching my opponent ... but it was also dangerously close to injuring me badly for the repeditive motions. So I sold it.

One adult player in my club who tried following the young players trajectory has ben out with injury for a year now. I also got jumpers knee when training to topspin with the chinese technique, but I just did some physical therapy and the knee works ok now. The good thing is that I am able to handle about 4-5 trainings per week, and I try to stick to this load for a while and possibly have strong enough tendons to increase training in the long run.

Not being able to keep up with youngsters that train more and better than you is totally normal.

You’d need individual training to get somewhat close to their progression

 

[SlowPower]

Maybe Tony could help here ;-)

 

[lightspin]

I have no idea what the rating system of your country means skillwise. However, if you didn't start playing seriously before age 9, and you aren't training 6-8 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you (like 99.999% of the world) are playing for fun. So the only way to answer your question is: Are you having fun? If the answer is yes, then your progress is fine.

 

[ToH]

Yes, I live in Oslo. I started directly in fourth division and I try to play some tournaments here and there. We have six divisions in total now, I think. I probably dont participate in enough tournaments. Some stalling over summer, but I play outdoors in the park then. I also play the league for companies in third divison where I dont get rating points.

I play in the Oslo area myself, started in 2023 at the age of 47. I played 6 months in 1991, other than that i have not played before. I am also playing in the 4 division. My rating is 1320. So it sees that we have around the same progress. I Practice with 3-5 times a week. Write me a PM if you want to practise sometime.

 

[Table10Ice]

My rating is 1320.

Do you know what that would corespond to in the Swedish ranking system? In Sweden, as a beginner you start at 750 ranking points.

I'm from Finland, but since TT is such a small sport here, me and my club mates often goes to tournaments in Sweden. In my local club, almost no one has a playing level of 1500 or higher (Swedish ranking). Only one guy is about 2000 or higher and he also competes for a Swedish div 1 club.

 

[ToH]

Do you know what that would corespond to in the Swedish ranking system? In Sweden, as a beginner you start at 750 ranking points.

I'm from Finland, but since TT is such a small sport here, me and my club mates often goes to tournaments in Sweden. In my local club, almost no one has a playing level of 1500 or higher (Swedish ranking). Only one guy is about 2000 or higher and he also competes for a Swedish div 1 club.

Im not sure. I know that the pros at my club also compete in sweden and they are lower rated in Sweden than in Norway

 

[Lazer]

Do you know what that would corespond to in the Swedish ranking system? In Sweden, as a beginner you start at 750 ranking points.

I'm from Finland, but since TT is such a small sport here, me and my club mates often goes to tournaments in Sweden. In my local club, almost no one has a playing level of 1500 or higher (Swedish ranking). Only one guy is about 2000 or higher and he also competes for a Swedish div 1 club.

Actually when you begin Your coach selects your starting points. It varies but it’s more like 500 - 600.
In my club some great players are competing in a teams league, very few are above 1000. If you want good ranking points you need to do good in singles tournaments…But in my group players don’t have enough time, juggling TT with family and work etc…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[David J. Marcus]

i assume this is ELO rating?

Does Norway really use Elo?

I think beginners should be able to improve 100-200 USATT points a year for several years.