Sabine Winter switches to antispin

[NoSpin]

Note that I wrote "traditional antis".

If so-called modern antis were so good, we should see way more of them than long pips.

Why would Sabine chose anti then?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Why would Sabine chose anti then?

He only think of the weaknesses of current anti players.
You need to look at Sabine’s usages of it. I doubt he even spend enough time to analysis, or even chat with her and her coaches, training partners. He think he knows it all, but some things you need to reach out and seek the answer, like what I have done.

I am glad the 3 players that I sent to Austria (at this moment) can train with Sabine and be part of her story.

She is probably 80% to 90% attacking. And opening up a new style of table tennis. Can’t compare with any current player

 

[JJ Ng]

He only think of the weaknesses of current anti players.
You need to look at Sabine’s usages of it. I doubt he even spend enough time to analysis, or even chat with her and her coaches, training partners. He think he knows it all, but some things you need to reach out and seek the answer, like what I have done.

I am glad the 3 players that I sent to Austria (at this moment) can train with Sabine and be part of her story.

She is probably 80% to 90% attacking. And opening up a new style of table tennis. Can’t compare with any current player

Agree! Anti was not so popular during the 38mm celluloid ball era; long pips were much better back then. But with 40+mm plastic ball, I can see how anti can be quite useful. The Indian ladies already show how anti can work. It looks like Sabine is using the anti even more aggressively. I am looking forward to seeing her on various WTT videos coming up! It is quite exciting to see.

 

[zeio]

Why would Sabine chose anti then?

Now we're talking.

Because it's easier/quicker to learn/master. For someone who has played inverted all her life, in order to achieve her goal within a year, the most logical option to make the transition is anti, which is still closer to inverted rubber than non-inverted rubber.

 

[JJ Ng]

Now we're talking.

Because it's easier/quicker to learn/master. For someone who has played inverted all her life, in order to achieve her goal within a year, the most logical option to make the transition is anti, which is still closer to inverted rubber than non-inverted rubber.

I actually agree with you on this one. Anti sponge feels like inverted sponge except it "dampens" the ball. But a block is a block. You just have to open your angle differently. It does feel inverted in some ways.

 

[zeio]

Most inverted rubbers on premades and some cheap Chinese rubbers turn into anti after a short time.

 

[JJ Ng]

Most inverted rubbers on premades and some cheap Chinese rubbers turn into anti after a short time.

When Butterfly Flextra on premade blades going bad....all of the sudden it becomes super anti!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It looks like Sabine is using the anti even more aggressively. I am looking forward to seeing her on various WTT videos coming up! It is quite exciting to see.

Sabine is different to the Indian with only 1 thing, she has an offensive mindset.

She is using her anti to help her attack even better, this is why she is doing the UFO training lately and making use of twiddling more.

The male player who she tricked in that video I posted is pretty high level and only 19 years old (meaning he is way faster than Sabine), but got caught off guard.
Asians focus heavily on crossover to the right, and he was really late due to Sabine variations.

So in summary, Sabine is using offensive mindset with now a couple of variations on the backhand corner.
As the German coach told me, she is an offensive player and she isn't changing.

 

[LordPippington]

Do you have any recent match footage of sabine? I imagine her skill set is changing rapidly even game to game at this stage, pretty cool to see!

She's kind or liu song... with some added twiddle action, since he never could bh attack. Sounds like sabine has a wild style, prone to a lot of mistakes -- but if the stars alignment during a game, magical and unbeatable! 😄

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Do you have any recent match footage of sabine? I imagine her skill set is changing rapidly even game to game at this stage, pretty cool to see!

She's kind or liu song... with some added twiddle action, since he never could bh attack. Sounds like sabine has a wild style, prone to a lot of mistakes -- but if the stars alignment during a game, magical and unbeatable! 😄

There is some 1BL matches on youtube
maybe @backspacer can help with the links

 

[backspacer]

There is some 1BL matches on youtube
maybe @backspacer can help with the links

I will make a post soon about the women's Bundesliga. Dachau, her club, doesn't stream unfortunately, but you can watch her play doubles and singles from their recent match against Weinheim @LordPippington.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I will make a post soon about the women's Bundesliga. Dachau, her club, doesn't stream unfortunately, but you can watch her play doubles and singles from their recent match against Weinheim @LordPippington.

thank you Mr Bundesliga!

 

[NextLevel]

Agree! Anti was not so popular during the 38mm celluloid ball era; long pips were much better back then. But with 40+mm plastic ball, I can see how anti can be quite useful. The Indian ladies already show how anti can work. It looks like Sabine is using the anti even more aggressively. I am looking forward to seeing her on various WTT videos coming up! It is quite exciting to see.

Seemiller and Boggan used long pips? This is news to me...

 

[zeio]

Which Sabine video are you referring to?
i posted 4 of her instagram and of my recordings

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFYU8CxqU0j
2 seconds in. Tell me that's not a BH drive with a looping motion. She did multiples of them.

 

[LordPippington]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFYU8CxqU0j
2 seconds in. Tell me that's not a BH drive with a looping motion. She did multiples of them.

He pushes under spin so when you hit with the anti it goes back as top spin -- that is the offensive shot of the frictionless

 

[zeio]

He pushes under spin so when you hit with the anti it goes back as top spin -- that is the offensive shot of the frictionless

The spin reversal (or continuation) doesn't matter here. The spin direction works like inverted versus inverted. Her stroke is reinforcing the spin on the ball by digging the ball into the topsheet and sponge. That's not frictionless. Otherwise, there would be no point to adding that sideway brush.

As Huang Qiuyi explained in her long-pips 刮/scratch demonstration, the sideway motion puts spin on the ball, which causes it to dip and kick. She demonstrated one shot without the sideway motion by hitting forward and up and the ball went long.

Here's another one with Chen Xingtong, where she explains the sideway motion puts spin on the ball. She personally doesn't interpret that as brushing of ball but it can be interpreted that way if it makes it easier to grasp the concept for the viewers.

前国手周昕彤讲解正手长胶刮打动作要点，干货满满。刮和刮打的区别；手指手腕发力顶一下；要有击球距离；不能吊腕。太详细了……

 

[igorponger]

China got in troubles.

You must know CNTteam always using a secret army of clones as sparring players. Each single foreign rival is carefully scanned and reproduced. It is now time for Chinese to reproduce Sabine Winter twin as well, we believe.
Which one of Chinese chickens could reproduce Sabine's playgame with a due accuracy? Apparently, China is lacking both antispin players and antispin materials. Woe came down on them.

 

[LordPippington]

The spin reversal (or continuation) doesn't matter here. The spin direction works like inverted versus inverted. Her stroke is reinforcing the spin on the ball by digging the ball into the topsheet and sponge. That's not frictionless. Otherwise, there would be no point to adding that sideway brush.

As Huang Qiuyi explained in her long-pips 刮/scratch demonstration, the sideway motion puts spin on the ball, which causes it to dip and kick. She demonstrated one shot without the sideway motion by hitting forward and up and the ball went long.

Here's another one with Chen Xingtong, where she explains the sideway motion puts spin on the ball. She personally doesn't interpret that as brushing of ball but it can be interpreted that way if it makes it easier to grasp the concept for the viewers.

前国手周昕彤讲解正手长胶刮打动作要点，干货满满。刮和刮打的区别；手指手腕发力顶一下；要有击球距离；不能吊腕。太详细了……

Well, now we are talking! I love those videos but my chinese is very... non existent 😄 ty for the tidbit info there! i play the zhou xintong style with penhold and pips, but previously used frictionless anti.

I will say from my own experience and watching of videos -- with flanti, your motion really doesn't effect the spin much, if at all really. In fact, we used to practice doing a "loop" motion which still carried underspin on the ball, just as a fake out. So whether sabine goes up, down, sideways, or any other way... from my own practicing, I don't see it making a noticeable difference

 

[igorponger]

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The blue gal does look much like a lame horse, sorry. (🐎) Timeset 38:00

 

[Rinforzando]

The spin reversal (or continuation) doesn't matter here. The spin direction works like inverted versus inverted. Her stroke is reinforcing the spin on the ball by digging the ball into the topsheet and sponge. That's not frictionless. Otherwise, there would be no point to adding that sideway brush.

As Huang Qiuyi explained in her long-pips 刮/scratch demonstration, the sideway motion puts spin on the ball, which causes it to dip and kick. She demonstrated one shot without the sideway motion by hitting forward and up and the ball went long.

Here's another one with Chen Xingtong, where she explains the sideway motion puts spin on the ball. She personally doesn't interpret that as brushing of ball but it can be interpreted that way if it makes it easier to grasp the concept for the viewers.

前国手周昕彤讲解正手长胶刮打动作要点，干货满满。刮和刮打的区别；手指手腕发力顶一下；要有击球距离；不能吊腕。太详细了……

This is my personal interpretation of the subject. Frictionless anti aren't frictionless, because it's simply physically impossible to achieve. Best "frictionless" one may have just a little tad friction to it, let's say 0.1%. When you try to make underspin with it, you can see the ball underspinning juuuuust a little bit, like at 1rpm. Therefore there is friction (but super low friction). Glanti ("frictionless" anti) are all about spin redirection. You don't add any spin like with the pips that have way more friction. You only redirect.
Example. with pure backspin, if you just put your racket without any movement it will send back topspin. If you do a sideway brush, the 0.1% friction will redirect the spin and therefore you will be able to redirect the backspin into a mix of lateral spin and topspin instead of just a topspin.

Another example of spin redirection (but not related to the sideway strawberry whatever it is called). Pure Topspin crosscourt and you block it cross court too = pure backspin. But if you block a crosscourt topspin in a parallel block, opponent will receive a massive lateral spin from his pov. Why ? Because of the change of the flight trajectory of the ball.

If you mix the change of trajectory + the sideway brush you'll obtain massive disruption and often be called a cheater by the opponent because simply he doesn't know anything about physics.

(pure backspin crosscourt to crosscourt)

(lateral spin because crosscourt to nearly parallel)