Sanwei Target National review

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I was kind of interested in that as well. I have not tried the target N but I have played Sanwei gears on by backhand and I really like it. It's a totally different type of rubber than what the target rubber sounds like, but they did a nice job with gears.


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I had my first 3 hour session with it last week. I'll paste in my initial feelings from another forum:

First thing - my sheet isn't perfect. The sponge has a few pits, and the topsheet has some lumpy bits - not quite bubbles, but close. A determined tournament official would probably disqualify the rubber for not being totally flat.


That aside, it's an interesting rubber. The topsheet is semi-tacky (lifts a ball for half a second), thin, very soft and pliable. The sponge is porous and medium-hard. There is a slight dome, so some signs of a factory boost, but no particular smell.


Close-in control is excellent, spin on serves is very high, and it's very easy to keep the ball short. It has a far more elastic feel than old, traditional chinese rubbers for sure, and the medium gears are great for controlled looping and general topspin from over the table or medium distance. It lacks speed in the high gears, so blade selection is important if you play from distance (or you could boost it some more I suppose). The arc is a solid medium and feels very stable - I felt that counterlooping was particularly good, with a very safe feeling.


In terms of gearing, the lower tack on the topsheet helps to avoid the feeling of the ball holding up too much on most shots, but the general lack of bounce means you have to put more forward motion into flicks and punches when dealing with slower balls. This is a common problem with these types of rubber (H3-50, Big Dipper, etc have the same kind of response), but STN does respond well when transitioning to more of a brush from a flat shot so you get far less off/on gearing.


I liked it a lot. QC is a bit of a worry at this point, so I might buy another sheet and see how that compares. It feels like an evolution of the hybrid approach seen on Big Dipper - modern, porous sponge with a semi-tacky topsheet. There are a lot of these types of rubber on the market now, but this is one of the better ones. This one does feel higher quality than, say, Big Dipper overall - a more complete package, better general feel (very smooth with less cheap, junky feel). It feels closer to Rising Dragon than Big Dipper in reality, but the topsheet is softer and more flexible than both. I know people want to compare to boosted H3N, but I actually feel that STN is closer to a mildly boosted Skyline TG3 Neo 38 degree.
 
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I've seen this rubber on the website of a TT-Shop, and it looks actually quite promising and a bit cheaper than the Rising Dragon i've ordered, but what i found a bit suspicious was the term 'National'.
'National' from which Nation? Surely not CNT, cause they use DHS, or isn't that exclusively?
Anyhow, thanks for your review, Andy.
 
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I had my first 3 hour session with it last week. I'll paste in my initial feelings from another forum:

First thing - my sheet isn't perfect. The sponge has a few pits, and the topsheet has some lumpy bits - not quite bubbles, but close. A determined tournament official would probably disqualify the rubber for not being totally flat.


That aside, it's an interesting rubber. The topsheet is semi-tacky (lifts a ball for half a second), thin, very soft and pliable. The sponge is porous and medium-hard. There is a slight dome, so some signs of a factory boost, but no particular smell.


Close-in control is excellent, spin on serves is very high, and it's very easy to keep the ball short. It has a far more elastic feel than old, traditional chinese rubbers for sure, and the medium gears are great for controlled looping and general topspin from over the table or medium distance. It lacks speed in the high gears, so blade selection is important if you play from distance (or you could boost it some more I suppose). The arc is a solid medium and feels very stable - I felt that counterlooping was particularly good, with a very safe feeling.


In terms of gearing, the lower tack on the topsheet helps to avoid the feeling of the ball holding up too much on most shots, but the general lack of bounce means you have to put more forward motion into flicks and punches when dealing with slower balls. This is a common problem with these types of rubber (H3-50, Big Dipper, etc have the same kind of response), but STN does respond well when transitioning to more of a brush from a flat shot so you get far less off/on gearing.


I liked it a lot. QC is a bit of a worry at this point, so I might buy another sheet and see how that compares. It feels like an evolution of the hybrid approach seen on Big Dipper - modern, porous sponge with a semi-tacky topsheet. There are a lot of these types of rubber on the market now, but this is one of the better ones. This one does feel higher quality than, say, Big Dipper overall - a more complete package, better general feel (very smooth with less cheap, junky feel). It feels closer to Rising Dragon than Big Dipper in reality, but the topsheet is softer and more flexible than both. I know people want to compare to boosted H3N, but I actually feel that STN is closer to a mildly boosted Skyline TG3 Neo 38 degree.
That being said, should I go for STN or H3/H3Neo?

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I've seen this rubber on the website of a TT-Shop, and it looks actually quite promising and a bit cheaper than the Rising Dragon i've ordered, but what i found a bit suspicious was the term 'National'.
'National' from which Nation? Surely not CNT, cause they use DHS, or isn't that exclusively?
Anyhow, thanks for your review, Andy.

It's just marketing nonsense really. Sanwei are appropriating the vague DHS concept of Commercial/Provincial/National and using it for their own evil means. :D

Best to just ignore that and just evaluate the rubber based on its own merits.

That being said, should I go for STN or H3/H3Neo?

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They are quite different, so it's hard to say which one you'd prefer really. H3N is harder and more of a traditional chinese rubber. STN is more of a modern hybrid, closer to a boosted traditional rubber in terms of feel but lacking the top-end speed. It's more like a H3-50 type of experience (although STN is faster, less tacky and more elastic so is better out of the packet for me).

It depends on what you're looking for. If you want H3N because you value hard sponged 3rd-ball powerlooping then you'll probably dislike STN, just as you might feel that H3-50 was missing the power to play like that too. STN has many of the short-game advantages you find in chinese rubbers but once you start to play your strokes you get a more allround, forgiving experience.
 
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It's just marketing nonsense really. Sanwei are appropriating the vague DHS concept of Commercial/Provincial/National and using it for their own evil means. :D

Best to just ignore that and just evaluate the rubber based on its own merits.



They are quite different, so it's hard to say which one you'd prefer really. H3N is harder and more of a traditional chinese rubber. STN is more of a modern hybrid, closer to a boosted traditional rubber in terms of feel but lacking the top-end speed. It's more like a H3-50 type of experience (although STN is faster, less tacky and more elastic so is better out of the packet for me).

It depends on what you're looking for. If you want H3N because you value hard sponged 3rd-ball powerlooping then you'll probably dislike STN, just as you might feel that H3-50 was missing the power to play like that too. STN has many of the short-game advantages you find in chinese rubbers but once you start to play your strokes you get a more allround, forgiving experience.
Thanks! I guess I'll go for H3 since my blade is already really soft, and my stroke is already built around trad chinese rubbers
 
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