Shakehand advanced grip as taught by China renowned coach.🤓

[igorponger]

Few if any sport coachеs of Еuropa/ Аmerica being aware of the novel "relaxed" grip. Truls Moregard has recently yielded off olympic gold to Zhendong as being unaware of the excellences innate in the advanced grip. Sorry for him sincerely.

 

[mightymouse]

Then Jorgen Persson is about halfway correct..... His index finger curls but not as much as the one shown in the picture above.

I am curious because his grip is quite different compared to other Swedish players and yet he had thunderous backhand slap/smash.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

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• Out of curiosity, I tried the advanced grip for size.
• This advanced grip allows greater wrist flexion and by extension of this, more spin on your FH stroke.
• It does feels good when doing stroking.
• However during gameplay I felt that this grip is too FH oriented and it sort of slow down my FH - BH grip transition.
• Also, this grip makes my BH feels awkward and impeded its normal flexion.
• I don't know, it could just be my unfamiliarity with this grip.
• That's all folk, just your friendly neighbourhood Gozo-san, trying new things.

 

[moment2019]

We do teach this type of table tennis racket grip here. This can make the backhand ball spin faster and stronger, but at the cost of stability. So a lot of training is needed. In addition, this is not fixed, we are also taught to switch grip techniques from time to time. Alex's grip is very advanced, almost identical to our version, but there are differences in his backhand

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

We do teach this type of table tennis racket grip here. This can make the backhand ball spin faster and stronger, but at the cost of stability. So a lot of training is needed. In addition, this is not fixed, we are also taught to switch grip techniques from time to time. Alex's grip is very advanced, almost identical to our version, but there are differences in his backhand

igor is a troll that attacks chinese table tennis quite often.
stay long enough (maybe just 1 or 2 weeks), you will see it happening a few times.
he will post something stupid, or start a thread and stop posting

 

[turbozed]

Was a bit skeptical but hit a few balls with this grip and there was a pretty significant increase in spin and shot quality for both FH and BH loops.

Almost certainly not going to remember to use this grip when actually in a game situation but it might be worth starting to train this way.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Was a bit skeptical but hit a few balls with this grip and there was a pretty significant increase in spin and shot quality for both FH and BH loops.

Almost certainly not going to remember to use this grip when actually in a game situation but it might be worth starting to train this way.

this is just a loosen grip.
I can't see any resemblance in the picture and video that igor shared.

 

[turbozed]

this is just a loosen grip.
I can't see any resemblance in the picture and video that igor shared.

Maybe the idea is that keeping the middle finger on the wing like in picture 2 is just a good cue for leaving some wiggle room for the blade to move in your hand.

You can really eliminate all space for the blade to move around if using grip in picture 1. At least for me, I was guilty of choking up on the handle like that.

Whatever it is seems to actually make a difference for me. I'm usually skeptical about igors posts but this one looks worth exploring.

Are there any cues you tell your students to help keep a loose grip? If I can get the same effect without changing my grip too much then I'd prefer that.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Maybe the idea is that keeping the middle finger on the wing like in picture 2 is just a good cue for leaving some wiggle room for the blade to move in your hand.

You can really eliminate all space for the blade to move around if using grip in picture 1. At least for me, I was guilty of choking up on the handle like that.

Whatever it is seems to actually make a difference for me. I'm usually skeptical about igors posts but this one looks worth exploring.

Are there any cues you tell your students to help keep a loose grip? If I can get the same effect without changing my grip too much then I'd prefer that.

too tight and too loose is not good
semi pro players basically adept to grip themselves and this is set when they are very young already


for adult beginners, i normally ask them to have a tight grip, because all kinds of formation comes out from too loose unknowingly to them. Once they become more stable, I would suggest the not tight, not loose. maybe 70~80% tight
Using wrist to play is also dangerous, it could become a risk of injury, so I won't really advise it for adults.
However, I have seen a high level chinese coach asking a westerner semi pro (maybe peak level of around usatt 2500) to play shakehand with a cpen blade, for the flexibility of a loose grip. This was over 10 years ago.

 

[turbozed]

too tight and too loose is not good
semi pro players basically adept to grip themselves and this is set when they are very young already


for adult beginners, i normally ask them to have a tight grip, because all kinds of formation comes out from too loose unknowingly to them. Once they become more stable, I would suggest the not tight, not loose. maybe 70~80% tight
Using wrist to play is also dangerous, it could become a risk of injury, so I won't really advise it for adults.
However, I have seen a high level chinese coach asking a westerner semi pro (maybe peak level of around usatt 2500) to play shakehand with a cpen blade, for the flexibility of a loose grip. This was over 10 years ago.

I'm not anywhere near advanced so would you just recommend I stay with the tight grip?

I've been practicing staying a bit looser (maybe the 80% like you say) and only tighten on impact but it's not had much effect so I'm willing to try something new.

I guess this is more an issue of building feeling over repetition and not something that can be explained easily with just a few words and pictures?

If anything the picture that Igor posted helped me feel the blade moving in my hand on the impact grip. So maybe I can try to recreate that with my normal grip.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I'm not anywhere near advanced so would you just recommend I stay with the tight grip?

I've been practicing staying a bit looser (maybe the 80% like you say) and only tighten on impact but it's not had much effect so I'm willing to try something new.

I guess this is more an issue of building feeling over repetition and not something that can be explained easily with just a few words and pictures?

If anything the picture that Igor posted helped me feel the blade moving in my hand on the impact grip. So maybe I can try to recreate that with my normal grip.

I think 80% is fine, as long as you not over using your wrist, I think it is fine.
wrist usage is secondary, primary should still be the forearm

 

[riemsesy]

this is just a loosen grip.
I can't see any resemblance in the picture and video that igor shared.

this is emratthich video!! must be good, even Igor likes it /S

 

[John_]

It's not the grip, it's the player. A good example is how Ryu Seung Min managed to snatch the 2004 gold with jpen. It doesn't matter how you play, all that matters is that you can use it better than the opponent can use his.

Felix Lebrun is another example, an unorthodox version of penhold grip, completely unique, yet here he is at 17 with a bronze Olympic medal.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It's not the grip, it's the player. A good example is how Ryu Seung Min managed to snatch the 2004 gold with jpen. It doesn't matter how you play, all that matters is that you can use it better than the opponent can use his.

Felix Lebrun is another example, an unorthodox version of penhold grip, completely unique, yet here he is at 17 with a bronze Olympic medal.

you just spoiled igors post with the truth

 

[John_]

you just spoiled igors post with the truth

Lol

 

[blahness]

The funny thing about this post is how wrong it is - FZD doesnt use this grip, and Truls actually has a looser grip than FZD.

 

[riemsesy]

The funny thing about this post is how wrong it is - FZD doesnt use this grip, and Truls actually has a looser grip than FZD.

thought Truls had a loser grip.. I must be wrong

 

[turbozed]

The funny thing about this post is how wrong it is - FZD doesnt use this grip, and Truls actually has a looser grip than FZD.

Yeah you can really how loose Truls' grip is when he's serving. He actually has a looser version of the "advanced" version that Igor posted.

It's a bit unique because most players serve with the last 3 fingers curled on the BH rubber. His grip is around the handle still but loose enough where he can serve either a pendulum or hook with similar grip.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Tonight I revisited this new advanced grip again and played a good number of sets with the new grip. My thoughts are as follows:
1. If one does not use the wrist flexion in your topspin stroke, like yours truly, then I opine that this grip has no advantage compared to the conventional grip.
2. I knew that to get the max benefit out of this grip, I need to incorporate the wrist flexion on all my FH topspin stroke, but since it is a conscious effort, in the heat of an actual game, conscious effort to do something will actually slow down one's game and is detrimental.
3. Furthermore I maintain that I had trouble with the FH - BH transition when using this advance grip. It just feel unnatural to me. Again, extra conscious effort to transition for FH to BH.
4. Above comment by @Tony's Table Tennis caught my attention. He said wrist flexion is secondary, while forearm swing is the primary stroke mover. I mainly use forearm for my FH topspin and this collaborate with point No. 1, that is, if one is not habitually using wrist flexion during his FH topspin stroke, then this advance grip has no advantage compared to the conventional grip.