Some Clips of me looping vs chopper

[TensorBackhand]

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How can I get through his chop? He is too consistent.

 

[banbekas]

Put your body more to it to add more power. If you plan to end the point, open up your blade's angle a bit more and slap the ball along with the brush. The ball is high anyway, why play it safe by pushing it or looping it only?
Lower your stance, no need for such an exaggerated backswing, open up your blade's angle, tighten up your core as if you are about to lift heavy, and do the looping motion, swing your arm fast but more forward and bring your body forward.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Put your body more to it to add more power. If you plan to end the point, open up your blade's angle a bit more and slap the ball along with the brush. The ball is high anyway, why play it safe by pushing it or looping it only?
Lower your stance, no need for such an exaggerated backswing, open up your blade's angle, tighten up your core as if you are about to lift heavy, and do the looping motion, swing your arm fast but more forward and bring your body forward.

All my loops are brush loops, i havent really learned or practiced a thick loop

 

[Silver Server]

Which one of your many setups were you playing with?

 

[TensorBackhand]

Which one of your many setups were you playing with?

Kinda random setup, definitely not my optimal.

Target 90 fh, fake Tenergy bh on Stuor Harimoto

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

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How can I get through his chop? He is too consistent.

Very nice. If bend knee more, it would be supercalifragilistic!!!

 

[PhoenixTT]

That's a great practice partner you have. Not very many play chopping game.

 

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How can I get through his chop? He is too consistent.

That’s a chopper, they live by their consistency. The only thing you can do is to keep looping until you find a break in the wall and then attack with more speed. When you get the upper hand don’t let go…
Keep practicing… 1/2 hour of that and my shoulder is gone…

Cheers
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[Topspinslinger]

Your strokes are mostly consistent with focus on spin with thin brush loops. But you aren't getting through with that against most classic defenders.
Pace change and surprise is very effective to force errors by opponent, this is also the case against 2 side inverted

A good exercise I did with the best pips player in my country is Loop, push backspin. Loop with less spin. Power loop. .

 

[Ghostzen]

Nice videos 👍. You are very predictable in your game possibly. Push, loop. Very similar length of ball, angle of attack you rarely went very wide to take the chopper outside of their comfort zone. Angle drop shot is also a good option, when taking a chopper out wide.

It's good consistent play but a bit pedestrian on your side maybe.

Choppers like routine to get into the groove. Break the routine and you will find that you may find more openings to play a stronger attacking stroke.

Vary your spin and placement would also be a good option. A lift higher deeper ball then a harder ball at the body or wide to the backhand or forehead. Heavy spin, less spin.

That way you are changing your attack vectors a bit more. Then the chopper isn't totally sure of what to expect all the time. That way you create doubt and uncertainty for your opponent which will give you more openings.

Cheers

GZ

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Nice videos 👍. You are very predictable in your game possibly. Push, loop. Very similar length of ball, angle of attack you rarely went very wide to take the chopper outside of their comfort zone. Angle drop shot is also a good option, when taking a chopper out wide.

It's good consistent play but a bit pedestrian on your side maybe.

Choppers like routine to get into the groove. Break the routine and you will find that you may find more openings to play a stronger attacking stroke.

Vary your spin and placement would also be a good option. A lift higher deeper ball then a harder ball at the body or wide to the backhand or forehead. Heavy spin, less spin.

That way you are changing your attack vectors a bit more. Then the chopper isn't totally sure of what to expect all the time. That way you create doubt and uncertainty for your opponent which will give you more openings.

Cheers

GZ

Wait a minute, is the video match play or just loop practice? The way I see it, it looks like loop practice to me. If it is practice, consistency is key. If in practice, I would really hate if my partner give me balls that are all over the place.

 

[Ghostzen]

Wait a minute, is the video match play or just loop practice? The way I see it, it looks like loop practice to me. If it is practice, consistency is key. If in practice, I would really hate if my partner give me balls that are all over the place.

"How can I get through his chop? He is too consistent."
Hence the match and playing tactics...

Was under the impression these were to win the rally.

The full match video is available to view as well...

Consistency doesn't seem an issue.

 

[Machi]

You should not push those very high backspin ball, you can just loop or hit the backside/southern hemisphere of the ball and end the point, your pushes of the high backspin ball is very high and your opponent can just come and kill it instead of continuing chopping.

 

[blahness]

Well you have to have forward weight transfer to loopkill backspin. You only have upwards weight transfer at the moment which is also OK because you have good arc.

The other possibility is using fake loops ie lift the ball up and then do a fake followthrough like an opening topspin. Pips players really hate this shot.

I think for me, having anti means I would really feast off heavy backspin balls by choppers lol.

 

[Amayzde]

Honestly, you dont play bad. And there is no need to kill these chops to get throught them. As someone who prefers to attack controlled rather then powerful, I don't have an issue with beating choppers. The rallies might be a bit longer and I need a bit more patience to win the points. And these rallies dont look that different from the ones that you are playing.

1. Placement is key. Right now you are playing 90% of all shots to the middle of the table. Occasionally I see you serve or put the ball into a corner, only to play the next ball right onto the middle again. The chopper doesn't really have to move much, make him move more by playing deeper into the corners during the rally, preferable from left to right and vice versa.

2. Serve and follow-up combinations. Short serve to the forehand, into loop/deep push to the backhand corner. This is pretty much the longest distance someone has to cover. This serve has to bounce twice on the opponents half though. If you serve half long they will just wait for it and chop behind the table. You really need to force him to play over the table.

You can do the same but in reverse: Long fast deep serve to the backhand, then shallow (as short as possible) push into the forehand.

Also, try to serve with less spin. Choppers love spinny serves, but they hate dead serves, because they cant do anything with them.

3. Distance to the table. Try to stay a bit closer to the table. This will give him less time to recover from his chops.

 

[Magic_M]

Maybe you should use ESN rubbers
With your actual equipment you seem to have lots of control, but against such opponents you need much more power.
Your opponent has too much time for his reaction, because nearly all balls come relatively slow to him.
If your attack would have more power, he has less time and this will force him to some mistakes maybe.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

you are playing shot per shot. you should be more moving and think more by groups of 2 or 3 shots. like one loop after which ball goes higher and this one, you must be ready to attack stronger. that opportunity is coming but you are pushing it back (very weakly, fortunately the opponent doesn't counter / kill that).

to have more chance that the 2nd ball is easier than the 1st one you have to put a bit more quality in your first loop. a bit more spin, or make the ball placement more difficult, or a bit more speed.

another strategy is to loop twice with 2nd loop with a variation, in placement, depth, speed and/or spin, and you go for the 3rd ball.
if the ball comes back, then push once and try again.

basically one shot is rarely enough, and anyway its more fun if the rally lasts a bit and you kill with a combo rather than directly..

 

[TensorBackhand]

You should not push those very high backspin ball, you can just loop or hit the backside/southern hemisphere of the ball and end the point, your pushes of the high backspin ball is very high and your opponent can just come and kill it instead of continuing chopping.

After i loop to his LP, he often chops quite high to me.

But these balls are almost impossible to attack for me. My own reversed spin is on this ball, so its just too risky and hard to attack. Its like double the spin of a strong push.

 

[AutomaticBackhand]

As someone who currently chops and has a strong forehand loop, I can understand both sides.
I can play against choppers quite well.

I try to avoid extended loop-to-chop rallies and go for 1 or 2 strong loops to finish the point.
I avoid "weak" backhand loops against underspin.
I avoid "weak" loops to the middle of the table.

My aim is to get a half-long / long underspin ball that I can confidently loop cross court / down the line with my forehand.
A good one is forehand-step-around from my BH corner to opponent backhand corner with a wide angle.

I try to loop with high quality - the loops do not have to be low over the net.
A high arcing, very spinny forehand loop is a good loop against a chopper.

My advice: go for more stronger forehand loops.

Here is a good one:

Slightly more spin in these 2 and they will not come back:

 

[banbekas]

After i loop to his LP, he often chops quite high to me.

But these balls are almost impossible to attack for me. My own reversed spin is on this ball, so its just too risky and hard to attack. Its like double the spin of a strong push.

It's a high ball and it's as high as the ceiling, you don't need to worry much abou the spin there. Open up your blade's angle more and slap it hard.