Tibhar EL-P versus Tenergy 05 fx

[ZeroTT]

Hello, Does anyone have experience with Tibhar ELP?

I want to know if it plays similar to Tenergy05fx,because that's a rubber I know and really like.

A lot of players in my club play with ELP and I noticed the hardness is exactly the same as t05fx ('43 degrees)
At the moment asking to try my club members equipment is a no go because of Covid.

So I have to resort to you guys. Do they play similar? What are the differences? In General Thibar evolution series have harder top sheets I heard.

Right now in Belgium T05fx is 60 Euro and ELP is 30 Euro so the price difference is huge.

Any info on ELP is certainly welcome

 

[virtuososiu]

Hello, Does anyone have experience with Tibhar ELP?

I want to know if it plays similar to Tenergy05fx,because that's a rubber I know and really like.

A lot of players in my club play with ELP and I noticed the hardness is exactly the same as t05fx ('43 degrees)
At the moment asking to try my club members equipment is a no go because of Covid.

So I have to resort to you guys. Do they play similar? What are the differences? In General Thibar evolution series have harder top sheets I heard.

Right now in Belgium T05fx is 60 Euro and ELP is 30 Euro so the price difference is huge.

Any info on ELP is certainly welcome

Hi there,
ELP lacks ability to create good spin. It felt too soft to me personally. I much preferred EL-S.
I have used both t05fx and els for a few months, at the same time.

 

[Der_Echte]

EL-P is harder than 05FX considerably. I used to hate on EL-P, I must have glued it real bad or had a dud.


TTD member erm mailed me a replacement Nittaku Monoblade and he had EL-P on one side. I thought his was making a big joke on me, he KNEW I hated on that rubber. However, this sheet and glue job wasn't a dud. It did what a mid-firm modern dynamic ruber should do - SPIN and drive.

If you like 05FX and not the price, you would love Tibhar FX-S. Similar softness, also dynamic, different feel, similar easy spinning, easy control performance.

 

[ZeroTT]

Haha,

First reply says it feels to soft compared to t05fx and next reply says it is harder
But both replies say it's not like a t05 and recommend ELS or FXS

I think the P series in evolution stands for power and the S series stand for spin.
Since Tenergy's 05 series is also spin oriented It's probably wiser to go for an S series rubber in the evolution range?

 

[Airoc]

First reply says it feels to soft compared to t05fx and next reply says it is harder

EL-P has an average sponge hardness of 43,4 and EL-S is announced at a plain 45 (which means it can also be 44 or 46). If you count only that, EL-S is harder than EL-P on average. (Yet a soft EL-S can have a softer sponge than a hard EL-P.)

What people ignore/forget/do not know however is that EL-P has a stiff topsheet exclusive to the Evolution series. Even if advertised as the golden middle between FX-P and MX-P, it never was because it plays very differently. (btw, MX-P and FX-P have the same topsheet and only differ in sponge hardness).

EL-P is probably the most suitable rubber for counter and block among the Evolution series. It is a bit harder to generate spin with it due to the hard topsheet. Therefore, as an alternative to t05fx, I wouldn´t really recommend it.

 

[ZeroTT]

Thanks for the info Airoc, I knew P series had a harder top sheet because I tried MXP and it didnt suit me.
How is the top sheet of the S series then?

 

[KM1976]

Sorry, but I wanted to ask what is the life of Tibhar Evolution EL-S and FX-S rubbers? Do they last for 3 months or more with 6-8 hours of play per week? I am skeptical of trying them out as I heard that these are factory tuned rubbers and booster effect fades off very quickly. If the rubber is in good condition but is not giving the familiar kick of the booster then can we boost it again.

 

[yoass]

Short and sweet.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

It should be noted that the Evolution rubbers have different topsheets. So ELP has a different topsheet than FXP and MXP as an example.

It should also be noted that the Evolution rubbers last about 1/3 as long as Tenergy rubbers. So, they cost less, but you get to decide where the value is. If you change your rubbers more frequently that won't matter. But if you are one of those people who try to use a rubber for as long as you really can, then Tenergy will be on your blade for longer than the second pair of Evolution rubbers.

One more detail, the P series of Evolution rubbers have a sponge that has a catapult effect that makes them have more gears and be more dynamic. The S series have a sponge with much less catapult which affords more spin because you can hold the ball on the rubber a little longer so the topsheet grabs harder. But it also makes it so you have to work harder for power and the feel a little less alive than the P series.

That being said, the Evolution rubbers do not play or feel like the Tenergy rubbers. But they perform almost as good. So, they are a good option. I have used them and I like them. As long as you have your eyes open about the stuff I said above.

 

[Airoc]

Thanks for the info Airoc, I knew P series had a harder top sheet because I tried MXP and it didnt suit me.

But this is where you get it wrong. The topsheet of MX-P/FX-P is softer than that of EL-P. El-P stands out from other "P" series.
Neither P series have the same topsheet over all rubbers, nor have S series. FX-S is marginally adjusted from EL-S, and both are not identical to MX-S. Generally, the S topsheets are somewhat softer than the P topsheets, that of EL-P (again) being the hardest of all Evolution rubbers.

 

[ZeroTT]

It should also be noted that the Evolution rubbers last about 1/3 as long as Tenergy rubbers. So, they cost less, but you get to decide where the value is. If you change your rubbers more frequently that won't matter. But if you are one of those people who try to use a rubber for as long as you really can, then Tenergy will be on your blade for longer than the second pair of Evolution rubbers.

Forget it then, if the durability is that bad I'm not gonna bother.
These answers saved me some money

 

[virtuososiu]

It should be noted that the Evolution rubbers have different topsheets. So ELP has a different topsheet than FXP and MXP as an example.

It should also be noted that the Evolution rubbers last about 1/3 as long as Tenergy rubbers. So, they cost less, but you get to decide where the value is. If you change your rubbers more frequently that won't matter. But if you are one of those people who try to use a rubber for as long as you really can, then Tenergy will be on your blade for longer than the second pair of Evolution rubbers.

One more detail, the P series of Evolution rubbers have a sponge that has a catapult effect that makes them have more gears and be more dynamic. The S series have a sponge with much less catapult which affords more spin because you can hold the ball on the rubber a little longer so the topsheet grabs harder. But it also makes it so you have to work harder for power and the feel a little less alive than the P series.

That being said, the Evolution rubbers do not play or feel like the Tenergy rubbers. But they perform almost as good. So, they are a good option. I have used them and I like them. As long as you have your eyes open about the stuff I said above.

Thanks for sharing Carl,

I am actually interested to know more. I heard Tenergy's performance slowly drops to a level, and then stay there for a while until it dies. Is that true?

Also, can see you are using R48 in your profile. How is R48 compare to T05 or EL-S.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Thanks for sharing Carl,

I am actually interested to know more. I heard Tenergy's performance slowly drops to a level, and then stay there for a while until it dies. Is that true?

Also, can see you are using R48 in your profile. How is R48 compare to T05 or EL-S.

Tenergy's performance, in my opinion, fades slowly and lasts for a long time.

R48, it felt really really good for the first few weeks. It gets crazy spin. But after about the third week, I could feel it started to fade sort of fast. I am assuming the boost effect wore off. I am pretty okay with using ESN rubbers after the boost effect has worn off. But it plays like a different rubber.

Also something to note: it has a sponge that is supposed to not have much catapult on soft touch for short game and for the catapult to kick in on bigger impact. I found that one result of this was, there were times where the ball would shoot out from the racket at unpredictable angles. And other times when I was trying to contact more thin on big loop strokes where the ball came off the racket way lower then I thought it should.

So, it is an interesting rubber. When it is new, it gets really massive spin. So, it is good in some ways. But it has its down sides. In the first 30 min of play I thought it was the best rubber I ever used. And then I started to see some of the flaws as I played with it more. For me, T05 is way more consistent. But it is still pretty darn good.